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Post by laughter on Nov 22, 2019 3:21:32 GMT -5
Some might read an effort into that.  This falling away can be a process over time, and might blur the lines between the point of realization and the informing of mind that follows. Personally, I'm fine with that blurring, because while the existential truth is simplicity incarnate, the mind is never nothing, if not nuanced.  Blurring of the lines between the point of realization and the informing of mind that follows as a possible hindrance is a false dichotomy. There is no such blurry hinterland, although I can understand why someone would think that because moments of clarity can create a projected imagining in the mind of what ultimate clarity looks like. But when the mind fully dissolves into awareness so too will the blurry nuances. It's like trying to get to sleep. You feel half in half out, but suddenly nod off without warning. All your concerns vanish in a flash. a thing, sure, but it wasn't what was referred to. Realization isn't about conditioning: it's not a change in a belief or system of beliefs, it doesn't firm the biceps or clear the wrinkles under the eyes, and it's not about emotions. But the moment of realization will differ in emotional content from person to person, and they may discover, to their surprise, that they no longer believe what they used to believe, but that can take time, as the mind revisits old ideas, afterward. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 4:49:05 GMT -5
The mind is for seeking answers and can only be at some relative peace. The itch inevitably comes, memory castes its spell, and the rope can sure start to like a snake again. Actual Peace is being conscious all such sensations, thoughts, and beliefs are arising in/as Consciousness. As such, yes, the questions naturally fall away. This falling away can be a process over time, and might blur the lines between the point of realization and the informing of mind that follows. Personally, I'm fine with that blurring, because while the existential truth is simplicity incarnate, the mind is never nothing, if not nuanced. Well. What they read it with needs to be put down then aye? |
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Post by laughter on Nov 22, 2019 5:01:02 GMT -5
Some might read an effort into that. This falling away can be a process over time, and might blur the lines between the point of realization and the informing of mind that follows. Personally, I'm fine with that blurring, because while the existential truth is simplicity incarnate, the mind is never nothing, if not nuanced. Well. What they read it with needs to be put down then aye? Well, sure. "Put down the net" is always great advice. But, if they think they need something, they might just start waving it faster.  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 5:15:41 GMT -5
Well. What they read it with needs to be put down then aye? Well, sure. "Put down the net" is always great advice. But, if they think they need something, they might just start waving it faster. You're not responsible for that so encouraging it seems like an unusual position to adopt. |
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Post by someNOTHING! on Nov 22, 2019 5:39:51 GMT -5
The mind is for seeking answers and can only be at some relative peace. The itch inevitably comes, memory castes its spell, and the rope can sure start to like a snake again. Actual Peace is being conscious all such sensations, thoughts, and beliefs are arising in/as Consciousness. As such, yes, the questions naturally fall away. You cannot unlearn the fact that the snake is really a rope, so once that is seen, even if the rope appears like a snake again, you won't be scared of snakes. Yes, the movement as mind crea-perceives based on its conditioning, but somenothing is aware of its limitations. As that Awareness, the nuanced distinction comes into clarity. |
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Post by someNOTHING! on Nov 22, 2019 6:02:42 GMT -5
The mind is for seeking answers and can only be at some relative peace. The itch inevitably comes, memory castes its spell, and the rope can sure start to like a snake again. Actual Peace is being conscious all such sensations, thoughts, and beliefs are arising in/as Consciousness. As such, yes, the questions naturally fall away. Some might read an effort into that. This falling away can be a process over time, and might blur the lines between the point of realization and the informing of mind that follows. Personally, I'm fine with that blurring, because while the existential truth is simplicity incarnate, the mind is never nothing, if not nuanced. They surely can, especially when such dreamcharacters are using mind as a power tool for trying to carry out all sorts of agendas!! But yeah, the show and its ever-morphing nuances must go on. It’s the trajectory into the dreamscape and one’s awareness as source that can, only seemingly ironically and/or paradoxically, create a perceivable tension. Aaaah yes, those lovely nuances, such luscious drama! Long live the psychonauts! |
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Post by someNOTHING! on Nov 22, 2019 6:20:36 GMT -5
Some might read an effort into that. This falling away can be a process over time, and might blur the lines between the point of realization and the informing of mind that follows. Personally, I'm fine with that blurring, because while the existential truth is simplicity incarnate, the mind is never nothing, if not nuanced. Well. What they read it with needs to be put down then aye? Yeah, therein can lie the assumption of one’s limitations. If reading about Freedom of being outside mind while only assuming Oneness Is, the meaning of such pointers can fall on jaded ears. The defacto prisoner often runs with it (for any number of reasons) rather than let any such words move through them to sense their nuance (maybe ***smile*** a little). |
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Post by enigma on Nov 22, 2019 11:32:45 GMT -5
"There is no satisfying resolution for the mind in this" means it is a problem for mind. It has already been established that you see it that way. What we are discussing is why. To that end, I suggest you choose to believe Shankara's words over your experience. What I mean is, there is no satisfactory solution for the mind and it doesn't matter. Who cares? So there is no problem. That is my experience. Does it seem to you that it's a problem just because it's a topic of discussion?It's not a problem. That's all I've been trying to point out. |
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Post by enigma on Nov 22, 2019 11:54:56 GMT -5
Some might read an effort into that. This falling away can be a process over time, and might blur the lines between the point of realization and the informing of mind that follows. Personally, I'm fine with that blurring, because while the existential truth is simplicity incarnate, the mind is never nothing, if not nuanced. Blurring of the lines between the point of realization and the informing of mind that follows as a possible hindrance is a false dichotomy. There is no such blurry hinterland, although I can understand why someone would think that because moments of clarity can create a projected imagining in the mind of what ultimate clarity looks like. But when the mind fully dissolves into awareness so too will the blurry nuances. It's like trying to get to sleep. You feel half in half out, but suddenly nod off without warning. All your concerns vanish in a flash. But Awakening is not like going to sleep. |
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Post by enigma on Nov 22, 2019 11:59:57 GMT -5
Blurring of the lines between the point of realization and the informing of mind that follows as a possible hindrance is a false dichotomy. There is no such blurry hinterland, although I can understand why someone would think that because moments of clarity can create a projected imagining in the mind of what ultimate clarity looks like. But when the mind fully dissolves into awareness so too will the blurry nuances. It's like trying to get to sleep. You feel half in half out, but suddenly nod off without warning. All your concerns vanish in a flash. a thing, sure, but it wasn't what was referred to. Realization isn't about conditioning: it's not a change in a belief or system of beliefs, it doesn't firm the biceps or clear the wrinkles under the eyes, and it's not about emotions. But the moment of realization will differ in emotional content from person to person, and they may discover, to their surprise, that they no longer believe what they used to believe, but that can take time, as the mind revisits old ideas, afterward.Yes, which is why purification is needed, and why snapes and rokes must be seen for what they are. |
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Post by satchitananda on Nov 22, 2019 13:46:29 GMT -5
Blurring of the lines between the point of realization and the informing of mind that follows as a possible hindrance is a false dichotomy. There is no such blurry hinterland, although I can understand why someone would think that because moments of clarity can create a projected imagining in the mind of what ultimate clarity looks like. But when the mind fully dissolves into awareness so too will the blurry nuances. It's like trying to get to sleep. You feel half in half out, but suddenly nod off without warning. All your concerns vanish in a flash. But Awakening is not like going to sleep. No it is not, but that wasn't the meaning of my analogy. |
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Post by laughter on Nov 22, 2019 14:55:22 GMT -5
Well, sure. "Put down the net" is always great advice. But, if they think they need something, they might just start waving it faster. You're not responsible for that so encouraging it seems like an unusual position to adopt. By my recollection, there's something in the Tao and/or the Bible or other source along the lines of "do your work without expectation as to reward or outcome". Whatever comes in response to speaking the existential truth is never really wrong or a mistake.  |
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Post by laughter on Nov 22, 2019 14:58:13 GMT -5
That's a thing, sure, but it wasn't what was referred to. Realization isn't about conditioning: it's not a change in a belief or system of beliefs, it doesn't firm the biceps or clear the wrinkles under the eyes, and it's not about emotions. But the moment of realization will differ in emotional content from person to person, and they may discover, to their surprise, that they no longer believe what they used to believe, but that can take time, as the mind revisits old ideas, afterward. Yes, which is why purification is needed, and why snapes and rokes must be seen for what they are. (** skijump! **) |
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Post by laughter on Nov 22, 2019 15:04:07 GMT -5
Well. What they read it with needs to be put down then aye? Yeah, therein can lie the assumption of one’s limitations. If reading about Freedom of being outside mind while only assuming Oneness Is, the meaning of such pointers can fall on jaded ears. The defacto prisoner often runs with it (for any number of reasons) rather than let any such words move through them to sense their nuance (maybe ***smile*** a little). Habituation to living-by-wire is the unnatural state of the consensus trance, and most folks don't really have the luxury of retreating to a life situation where there's no need for differentiating between when mind is master or tool. But ultimately, of course, it's ok, as such a retreat is never really necessary. |
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Post by someNOTHING! on Nov 22, 2019 17:26:48 GMT -5
Yeah, therein can lie the assumption of one’s limitations. If reading about Freedom of being outside mind while only assuming Oneness Is, the meaning of such pointers can fall on jaded ears. The defacto prisoner often runs with it (for any number of reasons) rather than let any such words move through them to sense their nuance (maybe ***smile*** a little). Habituation to living-by-wire is the unnatural state of the consensus trance, and most folks don't really have the luxury of retreating to a life situation where there's no need for differentiating between when mind is master or tool. But ultimately, of course, it's ok, as such a retreat is never really necessary. Yup. I remember the state of mind that felt it needed to take a turn and just walk into the hills, away from it all. Finding a place/space/desire to loosen the grip can be conducive to surrender. |
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