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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 13:32:51 GMT -5
Yes, Tim quite rightly explains that there is both oneness and individuation. It's just that Lisa actually embodies it. Towards the very end you will catch a glimpse of Tim being completely disarmed by what she's says concerning personal identity. And she did rescue that dog.  Hmmm....So why the denial of what Tim was saying there? why not just say something akin to "yes, there is a you and me that appears, and I see that, but even in that acknowledgement, I never lose sight of the ground of One"? She keeps reverting back to 'there is just this,' but seems to miss that 'just this' includes all sorts of experiential happenings, such as me/you. As I see it, in embodiment, one becomes more flexible in ways of talking about this stuff, not less. Have you seen any other videos of her speaking? I ask this because in this particular context I feel she had no alternative but to counter Tim's very personal identification of me and mine with an impersonal position. Tim's whole body language is of a struggling ego as far as I'm concerned. Lisa is still and resolute. To me it's as clear as day. But what is she denying. That there is no real person. She is correct because she made it clear that what appears to be a person arises from, as she puts it, from what is happening. That is the truth. She is very much in the moment. Most of what Tim is saying is that he is fascinated with stuff. That it's all much more than what he perceives as the reductionism of Lisa. But what he says comes from a sense of separation. He's just trying to consolidate it all into oneness intellectually out of a sense of awe and wonder. His is an interested and curious mind. Lisa has already consolidated it and it's completely natural and spontaneous with her. For Tim it's an ever evolving idea. For Lisa there is already completeness. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 14:39:17 GMT -5
Hmmm....So why the denial of what Tim was saying there? why not just say something akin to "yes, there is a you and me that appears, and I see that, but even in that acknowledgement, I never lose sight of the ground of One"? She keeps reverting back to 'there is just this,' but seems to miss that 'just this' includes all sorts of experiential happenings, such as me/you. As I see it, in embodiment, one becomes more flexible in ways of talking about this stuff, not less. Have you seen any other videos of her speaking? I ask this because in this particular context I feel she had no alternative but to counter Tim's very personal identification of me and mine with an impersonal position. Tim's whole body language is of a struggling ego as far as I'm concerned. Lisa is still and resolute. To me it's as clear as day. But what is she denying. That there is no real person. She is correct because she made it clear that what appears to be a person arises from, as she puts it, from what is happening. That is the truth. She is very much in the moment. Most of what Tim is saying is that he is fascinated with stuff. That it's all much more than what he perceives as the reductionism of Lisa. But what he says comes from a sense of separation. He's just trying to consolidate it all into oneness intellectually out of a sense of awe and wonder. His is an interested and curious mind. Lisa has already consolidated it and it's completely natural and spontaneous with her. For Tim it's an ever evolving idea. For Lisa there is already completeness. IDK there are a few so professed awaken folks I don't really jell with Lisa is one, Tony Parsons another Ella May and for sure the worst of the lot Jim Newman. Now Tim knows exactly what Lisa is speaking about Tim had his first awakening when he was 12. His whole life has grown from this awakening. He has more direct experience than most of folks I know. Tim speaks to something else that some non dualist don't like to speak about. He speaks about the personal self and that self actions in the world.For myself I truly believe we are in the mist of a conscious evelotion right now. More and more folks are waking up because of folks like Tim. He has a way to bring you home and not to jar your cage that much. His audio book Lucid Living is designed to do just that it's only 45 mins long and if you go in with a open mind you will come out with a actual awakening I can't say that for any other teacher I have known Even with Nis folks would come to him at first he would give them the Nam Mantra just like his Guru did but then Nis saw that a lot of westerners were coming and said this will not work for them so he began with the I AM something all of us knows we are. But not a lo of folks woke up with Nis. Most woke up after his death. But with Tims work he has a way of bring this mainstream much more than Tolle. I have a lot of respect for the man. Get his little audio book Lucid Living take a quiet moment and listen and see for yourself.. |
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Post by figgles on Nov 14, 2016 18:59:59 GMT -5
Hmmm....So why the denial of what Tim was saying there? why not just say something akin to "yes, there is a you and me that appears, and I see that, but even in that acknowledgement, I never lose sight of the ground of One"? She keeps reverting back to 'there is just this,' but seems to miss that 'just this' includes all sorts of experiential happenings, such as me/you. As I see it, in embodiment, one becomes more flexible in ways of talking about this stuff, not less. Have you seen any other videos of her speaking? I ask this because in this particular context I feel she had no alternative but to counter Tim's very personal identification of me and mine with an impersonal position. Tim's whole body language is of a struggling ego as far as I'm concerned. Lisa is still and resolute. To me it's as clear as day. But what is she denying. That there is no real person. She is correct because she made it clear that what appears to be a person arises from, as she puts it, from what is happening. That is the truth. She is very much in the moment. Most of what Tim is saying is that he is fascinated with stuff. That it's all much more than what he perceives as the reductionism of Lisa. But what he says comes from a sense of separation. He's just trying to consolidate it all into oneness intellectually out of a sense of awe and wonder. His is an interested and curious mind. Lisa has already consolidated it and it's completely natural and spontaneous with her. For Tim it's an ever evolving idea. For Lisa there is already completeness. That's funny. I pretty much see the opposite.  but to be fair,I checked out a couple of her other videos, and it appears to me that she does better when speaking alone. Debate is not her thing. I did not see what you refer to as " Tim's very personal identification of me and mine." Thus, I don't agree that Lisa had no alternative but to counter his words. If he had insisted that me and mine are the only story, then you'd have a point, but he was very clear that there is but one ground from which it all arises. He and Lisa were in agreement on that, but she simply could not acknowledge the experience of me/you...which really is kinda strange, and stands out in a real obvious way in the midst of an argument over point of view. I see Tim enjoying finding new ways to talk about this stuff, likely because he is passionate about helping others to wake up. So in that sense, the ideas continue to evolve, but my sense is that beneath that, his lucidity is complete. Lisa on the other hand, if she finds it difficult to acknowledge me/you in a given moment where she's arguing with someone over divergent points of view, clearly has not yet fully integrated her realization. |
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Post by figgles on Nov 14, 2016 19:08:27 GMT -5
Have you seen any other videos of her speaking? I ask this because in this particular context I feel she had no alternative but to counter Tim's very personal identification of me and mine with an impersonal position. Tim's whole body language is of a struggling ego as far as I'm concerned. Lisa is still and resolute. To me it's as clear as day. But what is she denying. That there is no real person. She is correct because she made it clear that what appears to be a person arises from, as she puts it, from what is happening. That is the truth. She is very much in the moment. Most of what Tim is saying is that he is fascinated with stuff. That it's all much more than what he perceives as the reductionism of Lisa. But what he says comes from a sense of separation. He's just trying to consolidate it all into oneness intellectually out of a sense of awe and wonder. His is an interested and curious mind. Lisa has already consolidated it and it's completely natural and spontaneous with her. For Tim it's an ever evolving idea. For Lisa there is already completeness. IDK there are a few so professed awaken folks I don't really jell with Lisa is one, Tony Parsons another Ella May and for sure the worst of the lot Jim Newman. Now Tim knows exactly what Lisa is speaking about Tim had his first awakening when he was 12. His whole life has grown from this awakening. He has more direct experience than most of folks I know. Tim speaks to something else that some non dualist don't like to speak about. He speaks about the personal self and that self actions in the world.For myself I truly believe we are in the mist of a conscious evelotion right now. More and more folks are waking up because of folks like Tim. He has a way to bring you home and not to jar your cage that much. His audio book Lucid Living is designed to do just that it's only 45 mins long and if you go in with a open mind you will come out with a actual awakening I can't say that for any other teacher I have known Even with Nis folks would come to him at first he would give them the Nam Mantra just like his Guru did but then Nis saw that a lot of westerners were coming and said this will not work for them so he began with the I AM something all of us knows we are. But not a lo of folks woke up with Nis. Most woke up after his death. But with Tims work he has a way of bring this mainstream much more than Tolle. I have a lot of respect for the man. Get his little audio book Lucid Living take a quiet moment and listen and see for yourself.. Yeah, I agree with all you say there...& I am a big fan of making the message more mainstream as Tim seems to have done. I don't understand why some seem to purposefully make things out to be more complicated/confusing than it is. At times I suspect it's on purpose...?...almost as though they enjoy the 'shock value' of emphasizing the absence/emptiness side of the story...? Who knows... Tim seems to have simplified the message, but in a really eloquent way. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 19:18:45 GMT -5
IDK there are a few so professed awaken folks I don't really jell with Lisa is one, Tony Parsons another Ella May and for sure the worst of the lot Jim Newman. Now Tim knows exactly what Lisa is speaking about Tim had his first awakening when he was 12. His whole life has grown from this awakening. He has more direct experience than most of folks I know. Tim speaks to something else that some non dualist don't like to speak about. He speaks about the personal self and that self actions in the world.For myself I truly believe we are in the mist of a conscious evelotion right now. More and more folks are waking up because of folks like Tim. He has a way to bring you home and not to jar your cage that much. His audio book Lucid Living is designed to do just that it's only 45 mins long and if you go in with a open mind you will come out with a actual awakening I can't say that for any other teacher I have known Even with Nis folks would come to him at first he would give them the Nam Mantra just like his Guru did but then Nis saw that a lot of westerners were coming and said this will not work for them so he began with the I AM something all of us knows we are. But not a lo of folks woke up with Nis. Most woke up after his death. But with Tims work he has a way of bring this mainstream much more than Tolle. I have a lot of respect for the man. Get his little audio book Lucid Living take a quiet moment and listen and see for yourself.. Yeah, I agree with all you say there...& I am a big fan of making the message more mainstream as Tim seems to have done. I don't understand why some seem to purposefully make things out to be more complicated/confusing than it is. At times I suspect it's on purpose...?...almost as though they enjoy the 'shock value' of emphasizing the absence/emptiness side of the story...? Who knows... Tim seems to have simplified the message, but in a really eloquent way. Thank you and yes Tim has a very nice and sweet way to bring this message to your ear. I hope to be speaking with him soon on this subject of bringing the message into our living rooms |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 20:57:54 GMT -5
IDK there are a few so professed awaken folks I don't really jell with Lisa is one, Tony Parsons another Ella May and for sure the worst of the lot Jim Newman. Now Tim knows exactly what Lisa is speaking about Tim had his first awakening when he was 12. His whole life has grown from this awakening. He has more direct experience than most of folks I know. Tim speaks to something else that some non dualist don't like to speak about. He speaks about the personal self and that self actions in the world.For myself I truly believe we are in the mist of a conscious evelotion right now. More and more folks are waking up because of folks like Tim. He has a way to bring you home and not to jar your cage that much. His audio book Lucid Living is designed to do just that it's only 45 mins long and if you go in with a open mind you will come out with a actual awakening I can't say that for any other teacher I have known Even with Nis folks would come to him at first he would give them the Nam Mantra just like his Guru did but then Nis saw that a lot of westerners were coming and said this will not work for them so he began with the I AM something all of us knows we are. But not a lo of folks woke up with Nis. Most woke up after his death. But with Tims work he has a way of bring this mainstream much more than Tolle. I have a lot of respect for the man. Get his little audio book Lucid Living take a quiet moment and listen and see for yourself.. Yeah, I agree with all you say there...& I am a big fan of making the message more mainstream as Tim seems to have done. I don't understand why some seem to purposefully make things out to be more complicated/confusing than it is. At times I suspect it's on purpose...?...almost as though they enjoy the 'shock value' of emphasizing the absence/emptiness side of the story...? Who knows... Tim seems to have simplified the message, but in a really eloquent way. Mainstream? How much more mainstream can you get with I am? Does Lisa really strike you as someone who is complicated? As far as the spirituality game is concerned, Tim is good at feeding the mind with ideas. Read what Niz and Ramana say about going back to source. Did Tim say anything remotely suggestive of that in the debate or in response to Lisa's comments. No he did not. He thought it was all rather charming and naive. Lisa's pointers just passed him by. He responded by saying, yes I get that but it's only half the story. No one who really wakes up ever needs to concern themselves with that other half of the story about what happens in the relative because it all collapses into one thing, very naturally. Lisa knows this directly. For Tim it is separate because he hasn't woken up. It's something he wrestles with and makes it into a story. His is an intellectual enlightenment. History is full of simple and unsophisticated souls who have awakened. Tim's approach appeals to the curiosity of the mind. I can understand how that's attractive. In many ways it represents what happens in this forum. The mind avoids simplicity. What Tim says is shiny and new. But what you are is none of those things. Some say lots of people are waking up because of the availability of non duality teachings and access to people like Tim. I say the job has just got a lot harder because there are many who think they are awake but are not. There are even teachers who help those who have awakened to embody and integrate it into their lives. This is ridiculous because real awakening would never require such a thing! They are being helped by someone who has mistaken some experiences for awakening. The blind leading the blind. Be careful out there. There are many traps. Look I have nothing against Tim. He comes across as a good person, but just look at the video honestly. Who seems to be at peace. Who has equanimity of mind, Lisa or Tim? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 21:11:47 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree with all you say there...& I am a big fan of making the message more mainstream as Tim seems to have done. I don't understand why some seem to purposefully make things out to be more complicated/confusing than it is. At times I suspect it's on purpose...?...almost as though they enjoy the 'shock value' of emphasizing the absence/emptiness side of the story...? Who knows... Tim seems to have simplified the message, but in a really eloquent way. Mainstream? How much more mainstream can you get with I am? Does Lisa really strike you as someone who is complicated? As far as the spirituality game is concerned, Tim is good at feeding the mind with ideas. Read what Niz and Ramana say about going back to source. Did Tim say anything remotely suggestive of that in the debate or in response to Lisa's comments. No he did not. He thought it was all rather charming and naive. Lisa's pointers just passed him by. He responded by saying, yes I get that but it's only half the story. No one who really wakes up ever needs to concern themselves with that other half of the story about what happens in the relative because it all collapses into one thing, very naturally. Lisa knows this directly. For Tim it is separate because he hasn't woken up. It's something he wrestles with and makes it into a story. His is an intellectual enlightenment. History is full of simple and unsophisticated souls who have awakened. Tim's approach appeals to the curiosity of the mind. I can understand how that's attractive. In many ways it represents what happens in this forum. The mind avoids simplicity. What Tim says is shiny and new. But what you are is none of those things. Some say lots of people are waking up because of the availability of non duality teachings and access to people like Tim. I say the job has just got a lot harder because there are many who think they are awake but are not. There are even teachers who help those who have awakened to embody and integrate it into their lives. This is ridiculous because real awakening would never require such a thing! They are being helped by someone who has mistaken some experiences for awakening. The blind leading the blind. Be careful out there. There are many traps. Look I have nothing against Tim. He comes across as a good person, but just look at the video honestly. Who seems to be at peace. Who has equanimity of mind, Lisa or Tim? Awakening has nothing to do with integration into your life or not. I would say listen to Tims Audio book Lucid Living before judgement. I get you and know where you are speaking from but there is more to this than you may think or you can keep your ideas just the way they are. Really listen to his audio book if you can if you don't have it I could get it to you PS I can see this s very loaded issue for you I get it. However since waking up I have had and continue to have profound insights into my true nature. I think we all have such insights. When someone wakes up from the waking dream it Doesn't make them any less Human you still have as much love maybe even more for your kids, family dog cat etc. We don't want to get caught in the either or thingy if this happens you are still in duality. Unfortunately this happens all the time in non dual circles . Your world does not collapse into one thing it's already and always been one thing the difference after SR is you finally see this through direct seeing. My personal feeling and I could be wrong is folks like Lisa, Jim Newman nd even Tony Parsons are not fully realized. What they had was the movie stopped and they saw that their personal you was nowhere to be found. From my experience this is only part of the story of Oneness. It's not like Aha now I know how the world really works thus I act the way I do. This is still in duality. The key to this is to fully get, grock what it means to have no separation period this to me is the real waking up. The other stuff like I don't really exist, it's just like a movie, it's not personal is very secondary to the Oneness I am speaking about. Anyhow it's where I stand now who knows tomorrow. Lastly this is why I say toss knowledge out it's even more important after awakening to be in the no knowing space if not you are back in duality with a who new set of rules to believe because they are new insights. |
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Post by figgles on Nov 14, 2016 21:34:04 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree with all you say there...& I am a big fan of making the message more mainstream as Tim seems to have done. I don't understand why some seem to purposefully make things out to be more complicated/confusing than it is. At times I suspect it's on purpose...?...almost as though they enjoy the 'shock value' of emphasizing the absence/emptiness side of the story...? Who knows... Tim seems to have simplified the message, but in a really eloquent way. Mainstream? How much more mainstream can you get with I am? Does Lisa really strike you as someone who is complicated? As far as the spirituality game is concerned, Tim is good at feeding the mind with ideas. Read what Niz and Ramana say about going back to source. Did Tim say anything remotely suggestive of that in the debate or in response to Lisa's comments. No he did not. He thought it was all rather charming and naive. Lisa's pointers just passed him by. He responded by saying, yes I get that but it's only half the story. No one who really wakes up ever needs to concern themselves with that other half of the story about what happens in the relative because it all collapses into one thing, very naturally. Lisa knows this directly. For Tim it is separate because he hasn't woken up. It's something he wrestles with and makes it into a story. His is an intellectual enlightenment. History is full of simple and unsophisticated souls who have awakened. Tim's approach appeals to the curiosity of the mind. I can understand how that's attractive. In many ways it represents what happens in this forum. The mind avoids simplicity. What Tim says is shiny and new. But what you are is none of those things. Some say lots of people are waking up because of the availability of non duality teachings and access to people like Tim. I say the job has just got a lot harder because there are many who think they are awake but are not. There are even teachers who help those who have awakened to embody and integrate it into their lives. This is ridiculous because real awakening would never require such a thing! They are being helped by someone who has mistaken some experiences for awakening. The blind leading the blind. Be careful out there. There are many traps. Look I have nothing against Tim. He comes across as a good person, but just look at the video honestly. Who seems to be at peace. Who has equanimity of mind, Lisa or Tim?
I don't see either one demonstrating anything that would definitively indicate 'not at peace', do you? I do see different personalities, different modes of expression. It's important not to fall into the trap of believing that being at peace = one particular kind of behavior/mode of expression. Passionate engagement in debate can abide alongside Peace quite nicely. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 21:49:20 GMT -5
I don't see either one demonstrating anything that would definitively indicate 'not at peace', do you? I do see different personalities, different modes of expression. It's important not to fall into the trap of believing that being at peace = one particular kind of behavior/mode of expression. Passionate engagement in debate can abide alongside Peace quite nicely. Well said and true embracing Oneness true Oneness with no separation which means everything is a key here |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 22:44:44 GMT -5
However since waking up I have had and continue to have profound insights into my true nature. I think we all have such insights. When someone wakes up from the waking dream it Doesn't make them any less Human you still have as much love maybe even more for your kids, family dog cat etc. We don't want to get caught in the either or thingy if this happens you are still in duality. Unfortunately this happens all the time in non dual circles . Look I don't want to put you on the spot but today you speak of life since waking up and yesterday you said, "Well I don't think I am awake..but anything can happen for now I am enjoying my time here." Awake to me means self realization and if that happens there is no doubt about it. There is no flip flopping involved. You are right about duality. There is no problem with it. In Vedanta, maya is described as having two qualities. There is the projecting power of Brahman which creates the world of form and duality. This is not considered to be a problem and certain non dualists who try to erase it somehow are misled. The other quality of maya is the veiling power which prevents you from knowing Brahman. It is that which is avidya (ignorance). But it is not enough to just say you are already that even if it's true. It has to be realized. Your world does not collapse into one thing it's already and always been one thing the difference after SR is you finally see this through direct seeing But you won't know that until you know that. Until then the idea of no separation is just that, an idea. So how can you say there is no collapse into a single point of experience which includes everything until it happens? From my experience this is only part of the story of Oneness. How can oneness have more than one part? Lastly this is why I say toss knowledge out it's even more important after awakening to be in the no knowing space if not you are back in duality with a who new set of rules to believe because they are new insights. Tell that to Tim when you next see him and remind him that Lisa pointed out that all form changes into different forms and that a beautiful flower eventually decays. She speaks from the unchanging reality. Tim is fascinated by form. There's nothing wrong with that but notice how he talks about changing perspective so as to look at either one or the other, unmanifest and manifest reality and then makes them all one thing in his mind. There's a struggle going on. I think Lisa is living both values simultaneously without struggle. That's the difference. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 22:57:05 GMT -5
However since waking up I have had and continue to have profound insights into my true nature. I think we all have such insights. When someone wakes up from the waking dream it Doesn't make them any less Human you still have as much love maybe even more for your kids, family dog cat etc. We don't want to get caught in the either or thingy if this happens you are still in duality. Unfortunately this happens all the time in non dual circles . Look I don't want to put you on the spot but today you speak of life since waking up and yesterday you said, "Well I don't think I am awake..but anything can happen for now I am enjoying my time here." Awake to me means self realization and if that happens there is no doubt about it. There is no flip flopping involved. You are right about duality. There is no problem with it. In Vedanta, maya is described as having two qualities. There is the projecting power of Brahman which creates the world of form and duality. This is not considered to be a problem and certain non dualists who try to erase it somehow are misled. The other quality of maya is the veiling power which prevents you from knowing Brahman. It is that which is avidya (ignorance). But it is not enough to just say you are already that even if it's true. It has to be realized. Read what I said "I don't THINK I am awake..when you are awake you don't think it you know it.Your world does not collapse into one thing it's already and always been one thing the difference after SR is you finally see this through direct seeing . Until then the idea of no separation is just that, an idea. So how can you say there is no collapse into a single point of experience which includes everything until it happens?
Exactly and what makes you think I don't know this..just a assumption.How can oneness have more than one part? This is the mystery of the ParadoxLastly this is why I say toss knowledge out it's even more important after awakening to be in the no knowing space if not you are back in duality with a who new set of rules to believe because they are new insights. Tell that to Tim when you next see him and remind him that Lisa pointed out that all form changes into different forms and that a beautiful flower eventually decays. She speaks from the unchanging reality. Tim is fascinated by form. There's nothing wrong with that but notice how he talks about changing perspective so as to look at either one or the other, unmanifest and manifest reality and then makes them all one thing in his mind. There's a struggle going on. I think Lisa is living both values simultaneously without struggle. That's the difference.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 23:07:11 GMT -5
You are throwing the baby out with the bathwater here and no believe me Tim does not struggle. What has happened here is you have a belief and this belief got you caught up with things needing to be a certain way when you are truly SR you realize at once that we have no rule book and things will be exactly as the Absolute(One-ness wishes) Sorry man but you are caught up with your own story here. Have you considered the possibility that you might be caught up in a story? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 23:14:25 GMT -5
You are throwing the baby out with the bathwater here and no believe me Tim does not struggle. What has happened here is you have a belief and this belief got you caught up with things needing to be a certain way when you are truly SR you realize at once that we have no rule book and things will be exactly as the Absolute(One-ness wishes) Sorry man but you are caught up with your own story here. Have you considered the possibility that you might be caught up in a story? This is the beauty of SR. The story went out a long time ago. I have no story anymore with anything. This is what SR and surrendering to What IS gives you a peace that passes all understanding. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 23:17:45 GMT -5
Have you considered the possibility that you might be caught up in a story? This is the beauty of SR. The story went out a long time ago. I have no story anymore with anything. This is what SR and surrendering to What IS gives you a peace that passes all understanding. So yesterday you didn't know if you were awake and today it's SR? Wow! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 23:26:59 GMT -5
This is the beauty of SR. The story went out a long time ago. I have no story anymore with anything. This is what SR and surrendering to What IS gives you a peace that passes all understanding. So yesterday you didn't know if you were awake and today it's SR? Wow! Not at all you need to read what I wrote. I said I don't think I am awake on purpose..you see you can never think your awake you are awake or not and that comes from knowing Don't worry about all this it doesn't serve you You see words are powerful you missed completely what I said when I used the word think but also E missed it you were reading what you wanted to see. However if you gave any thought about what I said you would catch it. Example being awake is like being hungry. If i am hungry i don't think I am hungry I am simply hungry. I don't go into a food place and say I think I'm hungry. I say I'm hungry. Something as simple like this so easy to get it wrong. It's why attention is so important.. I feel you have a lot of good qualities but you also have some loaded judgements which I saw today. It doesn't make you wrong or bad however any kind of loaded judgement will not serve you. One thing I realized after SR was in truth I know nothing and whatever the absolute wishes to happen will happen and there is never a bad good right wrong thing it just IS.. But if I am holding somekind of Judgement about anything it can begin to cloud the truth in some way instead of just allowing what to happen happen. If the Absolute wishes to have tons of people waking up by Tim then that will happen. Now can you see the folly if this is the absolute wish and we work against it. We would never win of course but still it doesn't serve you Peace |
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but to be fair,I checked out a couple of her other videos, and it appears to me that she does better when speaking alone. Debate is not her thing.