aki
New Member
Posts: 20
|
Post by aki on Sept 5, 2016 10:46:49 GMT -5
Having never been tortured that's the point. torture-victims usually haven't been meditating or visiting satsangs etc.; and even if they did, spiritual theory doesn't match; I don't remember at what exact point he mentioned the divine plan |
|
aki
New Member
Posts: 20
|
Post by aki on Sept 5, 2016 11:01:00 GMT -5
What I call Intelligence, or Awareness remains untouched, (how can Intelligence or Awareness be altered?) but that isn't to say there is a willful planner. Such would require a thinker beyond, and separate from, the human expression of thought. Torture is God torturing God. |
|
aki
New Member
Posts: 20
|
Post by aki on Sept 5, 2016 11:03:17 GMT -5
A lot of things will remain 'unexplained' as long as you hold to the notion of a divine entity that makes plans and answers prayers. But then who did answer my prayers? the answers where concret as concrete can be |
|
|
|
Post by Reefs on Sept 5, 2016 11:11:19 GMT -5
What I call Intelligence, or Awareness remains untouched, (how can Intelligence or Awareness be altered?) but that isn't to say there is a willful planner. Such would require a thinker beyond, and separate from, the human expression of thought. Torture is God torturing God. Pay attention to context! That's usually already half the solution to existential questions. |
|
aki
New Member
Posts: 20
|
Post by aki on Sept 5, 2016 11:11:28 GMT -5
If there isn't, then who is praying and who is answering those prayers? Um, I guess you are just saying there is a "you". I agree, that question had been my answer to you saying "The "loving divine" has fallen into his own dream." My intension with this was to dismantle the argument that torture doesn't matter because it's all the divine. |
|
aki
New Member
Posts: 20
|
Post by aki on Sept 5, 2016 11:14:01 GMT -5
Pay attention to context! That's usually already half the solution to existential questions. are you referring to the video? it was in the context of severest pains, so it's fitting; |
|
|
|
Post by Reefs on Sept 5, 2016 11:16:30 GMT -5
Pay attention to context! That's usually already half the solution to existential questions. are you referring to the video? it was in the context of severest pains, so it's fitting; Not the video, the post you quoted. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 12:08:05 GMT -5
** Pokes fingers in eyes real hard. **  Rowing done for the day?  |
|
|
|
Post by enigma on Sept 5, 2016 19:02:19 GMT -5
Those insights will then inform mind, and intellectual understanding can then occur. If intellectual understanding can occur, it must be possible to communicate about this outcome on mind-level. I don't neglect the mind totally, and contemplation and meditaton sometimes can go hand in hand in my experience. If any insight would be possible only through meditative means, all talk would be superfluent. But it isn't, because on some things the mind needs reassurance before it is willing to drop.This 'reassurance' comes as mind is informed by an insight. Mental understanding alone is merely conceptual understanding, and rarely changes anything. Hopefully, insight is where both contemplation and meditation lead. |
|
|
|
Post by enigma on Sept 5, 2016 19:45:59 GMT -5
What I call Intelligence, or Awareness remains untouched, (how can Intelligence or Awareness be altered?) but that isn't to say there is a willful planner. Such would require a thinker beyond, and separate from, the human expression of thought. Torture is God torturing God. It's my opinion that you could benefit from questioning what that experience actually is. I'm pretty sure nobody has suggested otherwise. I might have missed your point. |
|
|
|
Post by enigma on Sept 5, 2016 19:56:49 GMT -5
A lot of things will remain 'unexplained' as long as you hold to the notion of a divine entity that makes plans and answers prayers. But then who did answer my prayers? the answers where concret as concrete can be The part you deleted from my post (I prefer you don't do that) was "You are the answer to your own prayers." What I mean is you answer your prayers. I don't mean the imaginary you, I mean intelligence/Awareness/Consciousness/God.(perhaps you can choose one so that I don't have to keep using them all?) The difference between that and a divine planner is that you are creating from within creation. The creator is here/now. Where else would he be? |
|
|
|
Post by enigma on Sept 5, 2016 19:58:34 GMT -5
very well said. and yet my observation of the divine taking action remains, plan or no-plan; That doesn't matter to the victim whose limbs are drilled with glowing irons. It also doesn't matter to them that all is illusion or that bodies will die anyway or that the are "just energy" etc. The pain is real and 99.99 per cent of them are not able to transcend it, no matter if that would be potencially possible. It's easy for us to go beyond torture, sitting comfortably in our homes. Lying on the needle-bench or on a bed through which the bamboo comes up is a different perspective; Pay attention to context! That's usually already half the solution to existential questions. Maybe somebody should explain context sometime??  |
|
|
|
Post by enigma on Sept 5, 2016 20:06:17 GMT -5
If there isn't, then who is praying and who is answering those prayers? Um, I guess you are just saying there is a "you". I agree, that question had been my answer to you saying "The "loving divine" has fallen into his own dream." No, I'm following your own belief system that says prayers are answered, implying somebody prays and somebody answers. Then you seemed to be questioning if there is a you. I say there is no separate, volitional 'you'. Well, I missed the post where somebody said that, but I agree that it does matter. |
|
aki
New Member
Posts: 20
|
Post by aki on Sept 5, 2016 20:49:57 GMT -5
Need some more time now, have some physical difficulty and it also gets complicated now with many new aspects; I have difficulty to keep concentrating on posts, am living in a spiritual high energy field since some time, plus started sungazing,
come back to this;
Thanks for your input ...
|
|
|
|
Post by laughter on Sept 5, 2016 21:20:53 GMT -5
Having never been tortured that's the point. torture-victims usually haven't been meditating or visiting satsangs etc.; and even if they did, spiritual theory doesn't match; I don't remember at what exact point he mentioned the divine plan At whichever point it was my guess is he wasn't trying to rationalize why torture happens with the idea of God's plan. As I said, I wasn't presenting a theory.  |
|
