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Post by laughter on Sept 2, 2016 12:56:29 GMT -5
Anyone see this?  (** shudder **) |
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Post by zendancer on Sept 2, 2016 14:08:15 GMT -5
Yes. I got to year 16, but didn't see how it ended. Unbelievable, but it shows how the power of one charismatic character can lead a lot of people astray. It reminded me of Jim Jones, Koresh, and Krakauer's book about the Colorado City polygamists, "Under the Banner of Heaven."
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2016 19:23:24 GMT -5
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Post by silver on Sept 3, 2016 10:41:32 GMT -5
Yes. I got to year 16, but didn't see how it ended. Unbelievable, but it shows how the power of one charismatic character can lead a lot of people astray. It reminded me of Jim Jones, Koresh, and Krakauer's book about the Colorado City polygamists, "Under the Banner of Heaven." While in the hospital this week, I happened to catch Escaping Polygamy - one of the more helpful things there - since I don't have tv at home. One of the shows that makes me wish I had a tv and cable. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Sept 4, 2016 8:36:28 GMT -5
Anyone see this? (** shudder **) Shudder is right. I had seen it advertised, was looking for it, saw all of It. I saw pretty early where it was headed, even before the early hint thrown in. The dude was disgusting. What held it together for so long was the woo woo. There were group manifestations of energy, it seems it couldn't have all been imaginary. But basically the "power" of the guy came from an abused trust, meaning out and out lies. It's difficult to recommend, the second hour anyway. It flips pretty suddenly, the truth coming out. ....There's pretty graphic description, but specific words bleeped. |
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Post by laughter on Sept 5, 2016 1:43:20 GMT -5
That aspect of the story struck me as parallel to the way Marlow Sand described her first encounters with Andrew Cohen. In each case of the Buddhafield and the Community the guru obviously had some deep insights and could orient themselves to their followers as to share these by grace. Also in each case they weren't free of sometimes wanting something material from the peeps they shared with that way. And I'm writing this as conscious of my cultural biases about sex and money as I can be. I don't see anything wrong with someone in the position of the spiritual center accepting gifts or pursuing a consensual relationship. With the blind leading the blind though, move around in wide enough circles and someone's bound to fall off a cliff. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 12:32:43 GMT -5
That aspect of the story struck me as parallel to the way Marlow Sand described her first encounters with Andrew Cohen. In each case of the Buddhafield and the Community the guru obviously had some deep insights and could orient themselves to their followers as to share these by grace. Also in each case they weren't free of sometimes wanting something material from the peeps they shared with that way. And I'm writing this as conscious of my cultural biases about sex and money as I can be. I don't see anything wrong with someone in the position of the spiritual center accepting gifts or pursuing a consensual relationship. With the blind leading the blind though, move around in wide enough circles and someone's bound to fall off a cliff. Yeah I understand. If you're up for the contrast this is what Buddhafield looks like in Britain. |
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Post by bluey on Sept 5, 2016 17:25:35 GMT -5
I have met a few people who have been with 'wrong teachers' but in a way they have been with right teachers for where they were at, otherwise life would not have placed them there. Birds of the same feather flock together......It exposes the ignorance ( lack of knowledge, lack of heart ) the image and feeling one projects in their search but for some it can be enough to give up the search and become bitter and let go of any search just like a shop keeper who sets up shop not allowing for the thieves who will make their appearance at some stage to show this is part of business you make profit we bring in the loss the opposite, but for some they will bring down the shutters and sell up, curl up and that will be it but for some they will move beyond it as life is there to mature you into embracing the many parts of life. In this case a whole business person. Not a lopsided business person. Being in a cult can mature and lead some to a right teacher as they become knowledgable of what a wrong teacher is just like in relationships you learn to shun a bad lover over a good lover in time from the experiential side but have to go through the living experience to know what one is, and so their devotion to a wrong teacher still lights up the inner world beyond the cult tactics they have been exposed to. This can lead to a right teacher. And this path of awakening isn't for the faint hearted it's not a mothers meeting. There is a dark side to the truth seekers which needs to mature in most 99% of seekers hence the methods given to seekers the child steps from attending satsang, reading scriptures, meditating, observing ones thoughts and breathing, for what will be most of their life ...... Do you really think this does anything. Your effort is useless you are the lock only one who is free can unlock you. You are dreaming if you think you can make it through your own effort, to remove that veil, you may a achieve a temporary fix, and you may fool people with your knowledge, your being with a great teacher, your library of books . That's not grace that's a making of a future cult leader. It's why some teachings do not mention the initiation of a true student into the esoteric parts of the path as many are not ready to receive the real method , to catch the inner sound, which brings on the light and then gets blown out as you become more nothing. If you are with a wrong teacher it's because you are meant to be there. If you haven't made progress it's because you aren't meant to. You have to want this more than anything even if it means you fail end up in a cult, just like being with a bad lover but see through it and move on beyond, beyond. There are always less people around a true teacher because a true teacher will f with your mind till it collapses in on itself. That's real grace. The cult leaders aren't far off in that sense but they lack the grace the compassion that comes with a true teacher who will guide you within. So you can hold that gaze look in the teachers eyes, as your essence will know what real darshan is.
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Post by laughter on Sept 7, 2016 0:31:26 GMT -5
That aspect of the story struck me as parallel to the way Marlow Sand described her first encounters with Andrew Cohen. In each case of the Buddhafield and the Community the guru obviously had some deep insights and could orient themselves to their followers as to share these by grace. Also in each case they weren't free of sometimes wanting something material from the peeps they shared with that way. And I'm writing this as conscious of my cultural biases about sex and money as I can be. I don't see anything wrong with someone in the position of the spiritual center accepting gifts or pursuing a consensual relationship. With the blind leading the blind though, move around in wide enough circles and someone's bound to fall off a cliff. Yeah I understand. If you're up for the contrast this is what Buddhafield looks like in Britain. then? Yeah, the same in name only.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 15:54:11 GMT -5
Yeah I understand. If you're up for the contrast this is what Buddhafield looks like in Britain. then? Yeah, the same in name only. Yeah..  I'm easily imagining so. |
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Post by emma85j on Oct 22, 2016 0:32:10 GMT -5
I just saw this (Buddhafield) and I was blown away. It seems that early on there was something there, but that teacher's ego slowly and strongly crept out. I actually found out about this documentary from my own teacher, who sent a link to all of us and said, basically:
1. watch it to see how a teacher with a dominant ego behaves and avoid such teachers
2. see how the students behave and be aware of any codependent tendencies in your self
3. teachers transmit nothing on the physical level, at best they clear out what you are NOT so that who you truly are alone shines
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Post by laughter on Oct 22, 2016 18:11:23 GMT -5
I just saw this (Buddhafield) and I was blown away. It seems that early on there was something there, but that teacher's ego slowly and strongly crept out. I actually found out about this documentary from my own teacher, who sent a link to all of us and said, basically: 1. watch it to see how a teacher with a dominant ego behaves and avoid such teachers 2. see how the students behave and be aware of any codependent tendencies in your self 3. teachers transmit nothing on the physical level, at best they clear out what you are NOT so that who you truly are alone shines With all due respect to your teacher, to my eye he or she has embedded a conceptual answer to an existential question by telling you this. Open mind, open heart, open arms .. open eyes. |
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I'm easily imagining so.