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Post by Reefs on Jul 12, 2017 9:20:31 GMT -5
Death
Seth: What you consider death has no more basic reality than has your idea of time and space. Death really represents a blind spot in your present ability to perceive energy transformation, and even value fulfillment. Death merely represents the termination of your own perception, that is, the termination of your understanding. Your ability here amounts to a complete dwindling of comprehension. Your senses are not equipped to perceive the transformation of energy from one form to another. Certainly the birth of a child is really basically just as incomprehensible, but this transformation is projected into, rather than out of, your sphere of understanding. What you call death is merely the transformation of your own energy onto a sphere that cannot be perceived by the outer senses.
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Post by esponja on Jul 12, 2017 10:43:41 GMT -5
Totally agree here. I also think ND can also bring you naturally into alignment. If you are not in the 'small self', all those mind issue naturally and then everything turns out well to match your natural state of wellbeing. Yes, good point. And without SR, you'll never be fully in alignment anyway. SR does remove a huge road block. But there's more. In order to skillfully manipulate in the physical realm and thrive, you have to know how mind works, you have to know about LOA and focus and stuff. Yes both! So clear! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 15:54:12 GMT -5
No, Essence can't even appear to be individuated, by how the outer ego perceives it? I went through all that to try to define your question, I guess that didn't help. Essence and outer ego are sort of separated by a swinging door, I've used the example of a two-way mirror before. Essence on one side outer ego on the other side. You walk through the door, on the side of essence, you're in the viewing room, you can see through the glass into the "interrogation room". But if you walk back through the door, you're in the interrogation room, and see only your own reflection in the "mirror" (it's a one-way mirror or a two-way mirror depending on which side you are on, the outer ego side or inner ego side). Inner ego sees the whole, outer ego only sees itself. Now, answer your own question.
And all the dimensions/planes operate in the same manner. ~You~ can see where you are, and below, but you cannot see what's above. This is based on the quantum nature of reality, discontinuity. When you see as far as you can see, you think that's the whole, but it's not, you merely can't see past the ~gap~ (the discontinuous gap). I could elaborate, but have done so before... Will just say this, CC is like outer ego jumping the gap. Outer ego is not really ~made~ to ~be on the other side~. And this gap exists between all the dimensions. This is the meaning of the allegory of (Abbott's) Flatland. The 2-dimensional being can't see the 3-dimensional object passing through its world. It sees a 3-D sphere only-as a circle that gets bigger, then smaller again, then disappears. (And jumping threads, the sphere would be in the "quantum world". And the 2-D physicist is asking, how can this thingy, be both a small circle and a big circle? How can reality be this crazy?  And I can measure the momentum, how fast the smaller circle becomes a bigger circle, but I can't measure simultaneously a bigger circle and a smaller circle, or vice versa). [If this is new to anybody, just stick a pencil (3-D) into a piece of paper (2-D), move it backwards and fowards. Better yet, a pencil with writing on it. .....This could take us to the film Interstellar. The daddy makes it to 5-D "pencilworld", in the "future", going through the black hole. Sends message to little daughter in the past (just a different ~place~ in pencilworld, yet simultaneous time, but her 3/4-D time-bound world, the two worlds overlap... My answer is already in the original question. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jul 12, 2017 18:16:09 GMT -5
I went through all that to try to define your question, I guess that didn't help. Essence and outer ego are sort of separated by a swinging door, I've used the example of a two-way mirror before. Essence on one side outer ego on the other side. You walk through the door, on the side of essence, you're in the viewing room, you can see through the glass into the "interrogation room". But if you walk back through the door, you're in the interrogation room, and see only your own reflection in the "mirror" (it's a one-way mirror or a two-way mirror depending on which side you are on, the outer ego side or inner ego side). Inner ego sees the whole, outer ego only sees itself. Now, answer your own question.
And all the dimensions/planes operate in the same manner. ~You~ can see where you are, and below, but you cannot see what's above. This is based on the quantum nature of reality, discontinuity. When you see as far as you can see, you think that's the whole, but it's not, you merely can't see past the ~gap~ (the discontinuous gap). I could elaborate, but have done so before... Will just say this, CC is like outer ego jumping the gap. Outer ego is not really ~made~ to ~be on the other side~. And this gap exists between all the dimensions. This is the meaning of the allegory of (Abbott's) Flatland. The 2-dimensional being can't see the 3-dimensional object passing through its world. It sees a 3-D sphere only-as a circle that gets bigger, then smaller again, then disappears. (And jumping threads, the sphere would be in the "quantum world". And the 2-D physicist is asking, how can this thingy, be both a small circle and a big circle? How can reality be this crazy? And I can measure the momentum, how fast the smaller circle becomes a bigger circle, but I can't measure simultaneously a bigger circle and a smaller circle, or vice versa). [If this is new to anybody, just stick a pencil (3-D) into a piece of paper (2-D), move it backwards and fowards. Better yet, a pencil with writing on it. .....This could take us to the film Interstellar. The daddy makes it to 5-D "pencilworld", in the "future", going through the black hole. Sends message to little daughter in the past (just a different ~place~ in pencilworld, yet simultaneous time, but her 3/4-D time-bound world, the two worlds overlap... My answer is already in the original question. Is this like stupid answers in Jeopardy?  I don't have time to look at it again right now. |
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Post by zin on Jul 12, 2017 21:16:55 GMT -5
A flower cannot write a poem about itself. You can, and in so doing your own consciousness turns around about itself. It literally becomes more than it was. Existing in such diversified, rich environment-possibilities, the human psyche needed and developed a conscious mind that could make fairly concise and accurate 'minute by minute' judgments and evaluations. As the conscious mind grew, now, so did the range of imagination. The conscious mind is a vehicle for the imagination in many ways. The greater its knowledge the further the reach of imagination. In return imagination enriches conscious reasoning and emotional experience.
You have not learned to use your consciousness properly or fully, so that it seems that imagination, emotions and reasoning are separate faculties, or sometimes set against each other. The mature conscious mind, once more, accepts data from the exterior world and from the interior one. It is only when you believe that consciousness must be attuned only to exterior conditions that you force it to cut itself off from inner knowledge, intuitional 'voices,' and the depths from which it springs.
session 620
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Much has been written saying that if imagination and will power are in conflict, imagination will win. Now I tell you, if you examine yourself you will find that imagination and will power are never —underlined twice— in conflict. Your beliefs may conflict, but your imagination will always follow your will power and your conscious thoughts and beliefs.
session 621
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Post by Reefs on Jul 13, 2017 11:34:45 GMT -5
The problem with scientific/objective experiments
Seth: Concentrating upon your own camouflage universe, you are able to distinguish only the distortive pattern, and from this pattern you deduce your ideas of cause and effect, past, present and future, and ideas of an expanding universe that bloats. Consciousness takes up no space nor is it enclosed by time, as you know time. The camouflage patterns that seem to enclose consciousness are temporary, for short term only, and for limited but necessary purpose. Any investigation of the basic inner universe, which is the only real universe, must be done as much as possible from a point outside your own distortions, but the only way open for you to escape the distortions of your own physical universe is to journey inward. To get outside your own universe, you must travel inward, and this represents the only perspective free of distortive elements, from which valid experimentation can be carried on. Your so-called scientific, so-called objective experiments can continue for an eternity, but they only probe further and further with camouflage instruments into a camouflage universe. The subconscious, it is true, has elements of its own distortions, but these are easier to escape than the tons of distortive camouflage atmosphere that weigh your scientific experiments down.
(Session 45)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 13:35:18 GMT -5
Innate Knowledge Of Basic Reality
"This is an extremely rudimentary sense. It is concerned with the entity's innate working knowledge of the basic vitality of the universe, without which no manipulations of vitality would be possible - as, for example, you could not stand up straight without first having an inner sense of balance.
Without this sixth sense and it's constant use by the inner self, you could not construct the physical camouflage universe. You can compare this sense with instinct, as you think of it, although it is concerned with the innate knowledge of the entire universe. Particular data about specific areas of reality are given to a living organism to make manipulation within that area possible. The inner self has at its command knowledge, but only portions are used by an organism. A spider, spinning its web, is using this sense in almost its purest form. The spider has no intellect or ego, and its activities are pure spontaneous uses of the Inner Senses, unhampered and uncamouflaged to a great extent. But inherent in the spider, as in [hu]man, is the complete comprehension of the universe as a whole."
Seth always maintains that the answers to our questions about reality lie within us. They reveal themselves to us when we turn our attention away from physical data and look inward; this is when the sixth Inner Sense comes into play. It also shows itself in inspirations, and episodes of spontaneous "knowing".
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 13:46:09 GMT -5
"If you direct your inner self with confidence to steer you through your physical existence, it will do so. If you concentrate upon difficulties you will not allow it to do so."
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Post by laughter on Jul 14, 2017 8:04:04 GMT -5
"They are lovely liars, with such a fantastic tale to tell that you believe it without question."  priceless! |
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Post by maxdprophet on Jul 14, 2017 9:03:05 GMT -5
Outer ego, inner ego, 'core of your identity.' AKA 'the deeper identity,' 'the psychic seed,' 'multidimensional personality.'
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Post by maxdprophet on Jul 14, 2017 9:21:39 GMT -5
I find this compelling. Unlike Bashar, for example, channeled via whatshisname. Whathisname has set up all sorts of bells and whistles and staging. This Jane Roberts, otoh, is very humble. Meek (imo). It's actually more convincing. But I know that could be part of the show too. Admittedly, the following registers:
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Post by maxdprophet on Jul 14, 2017 9:44:39 GMT -5
Ideas/thoughts are forms too, eh?
Like levels of identity or ego, Seth is pointing out levels of 'form.'
Consciousness seeks to create form?
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Post by maxdprophet on Jul 14, 2017 9:56:10 GMT -5
Honestly -- and perhaps it's just my 'limited conception of reality' speaking -- I have a hard time holding interest in this. Maybe as laughy suggests, losing interest is some sort of defense mechanism. dunno. I keep thinking of L. Ron Hubbard. It's in the sci fi genre, and taken seriously enough to overlook the fiction element. And these ideas may 'help' some folks (thinking Tom Cruise right now). From the perspective of realizing Truth, however, it seems like another long detour and distraction. And yes, they are all detours. Even the most Direct Path is a detour fer crissakes.
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Post by Reefs on Jul 14, 2017 11:12:17 GMT -5
Honestly -- and perhaps it's just my 'limited conception of reality' speaking -- I have a hard time holding interest in this. Maybe as laughy suggests, losing interest is some sort of defense mechanism. dunno. I keep thinking of L. Ron Hubbard. It's in the sci fi genre, and taken seriously enough to overlook the fiction element. And these ideas may 'help' some folks (thinking Tom Cruise right now). From the perspective of realizing Truth, however, it seems like another long detour and distraction. And yes, they are all detours. Even the most Direct Path is a detour fer crissakes. I had a similar reaction to Seth last year because I didn't see the practical implications to everyday life. Now I can clearly see it and how it actually dovetails nicely with the A-H stuff. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jul 14, 2017 12:24:10 GMT -5
Honestly -- and perhaps it's just my 'limited conception of reality' speaking -- I have a hard time holding interest in this. Maybe as laughy suggests, losing interest is some sort of defense mechanism. dunno. I keep thinking of L. Ron Hubbard. It's in the sci fi genre, and taken seriously enough to overlook the fiction element. And these ideas may 'help' some folks (thinking Tom Cruise right now). From the perspective of realizing Truth, however, it seems like another long detour and distraction. And yes, they are all detours. Even the most Direct Path is a detour fer crissakes. Just oh by the way, many years ago I saw an interview with Harlan Ellison, fantasy and SF writer. Pre-Scientology, Harlan and L Ron Hubbard were in a meeting together. L Ron told Harlan he was going to create a new religion. |
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And I can measure the momentum, how fast the smaller circle becomes a bigger circle, but I can't measure simultaneously a bigger circle and a smaller circle, or vice versa). [If this is new to anybody, just stick a pencil (3-D) into a piece of paper (2-D), move it backwards and fowards. Better yet, a pencil with writing on it. .....This could take us to the film Interstellar. The daddy makes it to 5-D "pencilworld", in the "future", going through the black hole. Sends message to little daughter in the past (just a different ~place~ in pencilworld, yet simultaneous time, but her 3/4-D time-bound world, the two worlds overlap...
priceless! 