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Post by billfromtexas on Sept 3, 2016 8:41:27 GMT -5
My son also always looks at all the angles. No. You cannot carry your off-topic post limit between days. Neither can you claim "before and after midnight in my time zone" so as to post 6. The limit is 3 per 24 hour period. It is an upper limit. You are in no way required or encouraged to post ANY off topic posts. Okay, okay, okay... ...one last question, regarding the 3 off-topic post per 24 hours that I'm allowed to post here: Is any post I post here in this thread an off-topic post, or just the ones where I don't answer and/or respond to someone elses post here? For example, would this post be considered as an off-topic post? I don't ask that to be clever and/or smart or anything like that. I just ask to make sure I don't streach your patients and your tolerance too much. Once I know the conditions and rules properly, I'll play by them. Sincerely, A'n'B P.S.: Today I heard from a friend from Afganistan that he and his wife, who is from Russia, both got their german passports. They have a baby together. I also got a silver ball from him, representing the earth, the continents on it are golden. It rings when you shake the silver-ball. And from another friend I bought a very very very nice piece of art today also. It seems as if it is made in Tibet. It's some sort of a leafe, also silver with little turquise inlets and an organge stone (maybe Bernstein) in the middle. It's utterly funky that piece. I gotta make me new necklaces today with those pieces. Over and out... |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Sept 3, 2016 14:06:23 GMT -5
If you want to discuss this (further), start an appropriate thread. I don't think this is necessarily a very good suggestion. Anja is banned, and usually the appropriate course of action after that is to refrain from posting on said forum altogether, rather than continuing to post with a different account. Now, after being banned, Anja/B-from-T has only been posting on this thread, and it seems that people so far haven't had a big issue with her keeping an "office" here. But continuing to post on other threads as nothing had happened would likely change that. "Yesterday" at 4:40 AM Peter posted to BFT. So I don't know what's up, but I liked your post. |
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Post by wei sa on Sept 3, 2016 20:18:47 GMT -5
Anja / Bill this forum exists for spiritual discussion. Please limit yourself to 3 off-topic (eg music / nonsense) posts per day. I've given the same restriction to other members before now who got into a thing of posting funny pictures. Thanks, Peter I don't think this is necessarily a very good suggestion. Anja is banned, and usually the appropriate course of action after that is to refrain from posting on said forum altogether, rather than continuing to post with a different account. Now, after being banned, Anja/B-from-T has only been posting on this thread, and it seems that people so far haven't had a big issue with her keeping an "office" here. But continuing to post on other threads as nothing had happened would likely change that. "Yesterday" at 4:40 AM Peter posted to BFT. So I don't know what's up, but I liked your post. Yeah, it's a bit confusing. I think that communication is lacking between the different mods about this - AFAIK ZD banned Anja and perhaps ZD and Peter haven't discussed the issue. But in any case it is a bit bizarre that Peter is here discussing with a banned member how many off-topic posts per day they should limit themselves to. |
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Post by billfromtexas on Sept 4, 2016 5:53:44 GMT -5
Enigma said: "Don't you interact with your own nightly dream characters? And yet those characters are creations of the same mind that interacts with them." Read more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/thread/4702/universe-benevolent#ixzz4JHa0Wd8rWhy do you assume that the "nightly dream characters" I "interact with" in my dreams are "creations of the same mind that interacts with them"? IOW, why and what for would I, or my mind, "create" nightmares and creepy figures in my dreams, when those appear in the dream? Could it be the case that all creatures and situations in everybodys dreams are just representations of the so called collective unconsciousness and we all enter that state of mind when we dream? Could it be the case that we don't choose or create the creatures in our dreams but just experience them while in the dreamstate? IOW, our own mind just interpretates certain content from the collective unconsciouness a certain way and that is what dreaming is all about. Nothing personal about it, other than that every dreamer adds content to the collective unconsciousness while awake and at night everybody picks some content and makes dream-characters and situtations out of it. Could that be the case? |
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Post by billfromtexas on Sept 4, 2016 6:00:58 GMT -5
Anja / Bill this forum exists for spiritual discussion. Please limit yourself to 3 off-topic (eg music / nonsense) posts per day. I've given the same restriction to other members before now who got into a thing of posting funny pictures. Thanks, Peter "Yesterday" at 4:40 AM Peter posted to BFT. So I don't know what's up, but I liked your post. Yeah, it's a bit confusing. I think that communication is lacking between the different mods about this - AFAIK ZD banned Anja and perhaps ZD and Peter haven't discussed the issue. But in any case it is a bit bizarre that Peter is here discussing with a banned member how many off-topic posts per day they should limit themselves to. How comes you have such an interest in debating the issue of Anja being banned? Why is it you argue about this fact, Anja being banned, at least a few times here in this thread, Visa? Why are you concerned about what Peter and Zendancer don't seem to completely agree upon? Why do you make that your buisness? |
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Post by wei sa on Sept 4, 2016 7:08:17 GMT -5
Yeah, it's a bit confusing. I think that communication is lacking between the different mods about this - AFAIK ZD banned Anja and perhaps ZD and Peter haven't discussed the issue. But in any case it is a bit bizarre that Peter is here discussing with a banned member how many off-topic posts per day they should limit themselves to. How comes you have such an interest in debating the issue of Anja being banned? Why is it you argue about this fact, Anja being banned, at least a few times here in this thread, Visa? Why are you concerned about what Peter and Zendancer don't seem to completely agree upon? Why do you make that your buisness? Well, apart from what I replied earlier wrt. my interest in forum hygiene - dunno, maybe I'm just nosy! But yeah, probably it isn't a very good use of my time or energy... |
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Post by billfromtexas on Sept 4, 2016 8:52:30 GMT -5
Zendancer said: "Two waves crash against each other, do we have to imagine "waves?" Do we have to imagine "two?" Do we have to imagine "an interaction?" Is it necessary to imagine? What happens if we stop imagining? What is the difference between imagining waves rising out of the ocean and falling back into the ocean and imagining humans rising out of reality and falling back into reality?" Read more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/thread/4702/universe-benevolent#ixzz4JIKDV4gzWhy only talking about the ocean an its waves? What about the creatures who life in the ocean? What about all the fish, coralls, seastars, octopusses, turtles, whales and dolphins...etc.? Why only talking about the ocean and its waves? What about the sand, in and out of the ocean? What about the wind? What about the fire, volcanos under water breathing fire and also on the land? Why only refering to the ocean and not the rest of what is? What about birds, horses, dogs, tigers, elephants, cows, humans...etc.? What about the clouds in the sky? What about rivers and lakes? |
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Post by billfromtexas on Sept 5, 2016 10:52:27 GMT -5
Aki said: "That applies for low and middle issues. For real torture victims this is too academic; I once had a teacher who always pointed to Jesus and what was the outcome of his suffering, but Jesus was not a normal guy. Asking those who were hanging on the crosses around him would give a more realistic picture; Here's the link: www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3zKwZqfWrYIt's a superb video otherwise." Read more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/thread/4703/divine-plan#ixzz4JOdX3qy8I just watched the video posted by Aki. I partly disagree with a few points, or better with how (the style) the speaker presents his point in the beginning. Nevertheless I think to say those words he recommends when one is around someone who engages in denying pain in themselfs, silently saying, "I acknowledge your pain" , is a good practise. And the overall message is a usefull one, I think. Here a video a saw a few days ago: Chosen (BAFTA Winning Documentary) - Real Stories : www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoOzqebOU1kThe video is about a few men who have been sexually abused by teachers in a british (private)boarding-school as they have been boys. These courageous and honest men show by their testemony how painfull and difficult it is to get a child-abusing teacher exposed, arrested and prosecuted when the parents of the abused children are more concerned about their conservative values than being concerned about the well-being and happiness of their children. I not just acknowledge the pain of these men who talk about their experiences, I also acknowledge their courage and their dedication to truth and justice. Edit: This is my question: If everything is the "divine" (play) and the divine is benevolent, how comes that the "divine" engages in molesting and abusing children while (playing) in a position of authority as a teacher? In those (and other) cases the "divine" does not seem to be benevolent at all. And if the "divine" is outright mean, manipulative and perverse, why calling it "the divine"? Why not calling it demonic, evil, deluded, sat-anic? Which in my view is the opposite of being (and/or playing) the divine (role). |
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Post by Peter on Sept 6, 2016 3:55:13 GMT -5
"Yesterday" at 4:40 AM Peter posted to BFT. So I don't know what's up, but I liked your post. Yeah, it's a bit confusing. I think that communication is lacking between the different mods about this - AFAIK ZD banned Anja and perhaps ZD and Peter haven't discussed the issue. But in any case it is a bit bizarre that Peter is here discussing with a banned member how many off-topic posts per day they should limit themselves to. Oh we discussed it, so the communication isn't lacking; but you know he and I have different styles of moderation. Is that confusing? I didn't see the posts that caused ZD to ban Anja (and I believe several of her posts got deleted one way or another), plus I'd also hamstrung myself by saying I wouldn't ban her without prior discussion. So here we are. |
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Post by billfromtexas on Sept 6, 2016 6:39:25 GMT -5
Lolly said: "Well, abuse being passed of a 'a great love is basically the game of power on STF, so enigmas insults being passed off as 'true' is also the same game, but less extreme. If I was offended it would be my fault I'm offended, and nothing to do with being insulted. This is the game. It would be delivered as 'true' while I am positioned as 'misperception' 'contagious' ad the other ones I forget now - it all power positioning at play. People here question why there are insults and abuses going on, and I explain what is underneath it, but people don't want to understand the ongoing dynamic which creates the issues, so they make up 'lollicop', which is also just the game. People ask why there is alot of rudeness around here, but they don't care for the explanation. I know the reasons why, though." Read more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/thread/4132/world#ixzz4JTQts3sOBy what is going on here on STF I'm reminded of some famous social experiements like the Stanford and the Milgram experiements. Both show how easily humans can become "evil" and/or obidient to evil when the circumstances are set up in a certain way. I also remember another experiement were people were called in from the streets and told to do a simple test, measuring and comparing geometrical forms. The people from the street were given a few geometrical figures (lines and other figures) and they should say which line is the longest or the shortest. In this experiement only one guy or woman was not part of the scientific team. The rest just played the role as if they also just came in from the streets. The fake people from the streets, who actually were part of the scientific team, always said the opposite of what the real guys from the street said. The realy guys from the street did indeed spot the longest or shortest line very easily and then got to watch others, the fake street guys, pointing to other lines as the longest than him (or her). It did not take long for most of the real street guys to also point to the wrong figures, just to not being seen as crazy or dump. I forgot how that experiement was called. Here is Philip Zimbardo (the Stanfort-experiement leader) on a TED-talk about the "psychology of evil": Philip Zimbardo: The psychology of evil www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsFEV35tWsgAnd here are the experiements, explained in short videos: Milgram Obedience Study : www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCVlI-_4GZQStanford Prison Experiment : www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcEPFMEtLIo |
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Post by andrew on Sept 6, 2016 7:45:42 GMT -5
so what's the deal here anja/bill....are you confined to this thread or is this just your favoured mode of communicating right now?
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Post by andrew on Sept 6, 2016 7:48:41 GMT -5
Just saw your pm Peter...okay. I have some points that I think are relevant to spirituality in relation to your comments about standards....but....the movement isn't there right now to talk about them. Maybe later. Maybe not.
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Post by billfromtexas on Sept 6, 2016 7:56:17 GMT -5
so what's the deal here anja/bill....are you confined to this thread or is this just your favoured mode of communicating right now? That's a very good question, Andrew, indeed. I think I'll stick with this thread here because I have an agreement with Peter not to comment in other threads and limit my comments here to not more than 3 off-topic posts a day. And since you're back in town, I think I can live with this restrictions, unless some others here think I should also comment in other threads if I feel inclined to do so. It's not up to me right now. If Peter gives me permission to also post in other threads, I will. Else I don't. |
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Post by andrew on Sept 6, 2016 8:18:04 GMT -5
so what's the deal here anja/bill....are you confined to this thread or is this just your favoured mode of communicating right now? That's a very good question, Andrew, indeed. I think I'll stick with this thread here because I have an agreement with Peter not to comment in other threads and limit my comments here to not more than 3 off-topic posts a day. And since you're back in town, I think I can live with this restrictions, unless some others here think I should also comment in other threads if I feel inclined to do so. It's not up to me right now. If Peter gives me permission to also post in other threads, I will. Else I don't. A very odd state of affairs then! It' not up to me either obviously, but I would like to see you commenting. I can see why some would see you as disrupting and hampering 'spiritual conversation', but it seems obvious to me that you have broad and diverse spiritual understanding, and have an interesting view on things. Perhaps also you challenged some sacred cows here a little too strongly  I've been here a few years, and it's as much political here as it is spiritual. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 13:07:36 GMT -5
Yeah, it's a bit confusing. I think that communication is lacking between the different mods about this - AFAIK ZD banned Anja and perhaps ZD and Peter haven't discussed the issue. But in any case it is a bit bizarre that Peter is here discussing with a banned member how many off-topic posts per day they should limit themselves to. Oh we discussed it, so the communication isn't lacking; but you know he and I have different styles of moderation. Is that confusing? I didn't see the posts that caused ZD to ban Anja (and I believe several of her posts got deleted one way or another), plus I'd also hamstrung myself by saying I wouldn't ban her without prior discussion. So here we are. I know very clearly why he blocked Anja and also as soon as Anja has been banned Anja has created a thread where she stated that she had been banned by You, But I knew very clearly that you hadn't done that and also I know that that was done by zendancer. You may ask how I know that? Because I know the way you move and also I know the way zendancer move! |
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I've been here a few years, and it's as much political here as it is spiritual.