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Post by jay17 on Feb 10, 2016 0:36:22 GMT -5
You are, of course, entitled to your opinion.
I think this thread, and all the others whatshisface started, are about him.
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Post by lolly on Feb 10, 2016 9:28:19 GMT -5
It's clearly about corruption and misconduct in the ashram in question. Interesting video.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2016 9:44:56 GMT -5
waar gehakt wordt vallen spaanders
or, you cant make an omelet without breaking an egg
this is an ashram that is open to the outside world, "all life is yoga"
the misconduct was also by the people living there not adhering to the ashram rules
ashram fed and clothed and educated these people.
if they dont like it, they are free to go.
if they trespass repeatedly ashram rules, sanctions are to be expected, just like here on STF, which we should think of as
"a virtual ashram" according to the signature line.
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Post by lolly on Feb 10, 2016 17:59:30 GMT -5
waar gehakt wordt vallen spaanders or, you cant make an omelet without breaking an egg this is an ashram that is open to the outside world, "all life is yoga" the misconduct was also by the people living there not adhering to the ashram rules ashram fed and clothed and educated these people. if they dont like it, they are free to go. if they trespass repeatedly ashram rules, sanctions are to be expected, just like here on STF, which we should think of as "a virtual ashram" according to the signature line. I don't think it's fair to justify systemic abuse or corruption under any circumstance, and from what was said in the video, that system of trustees is breeding ground for it. I have served as trustee for an ashram, annual accounts are made public (I served as treasurer) and there are stringent processes in place that make any form of corruption very difficult. I'd be highly suspicious at a glance of their organisational structure. Charities usually replace a board member after they have served a year or 2 to prevent power mongering and corruption, and I'm pretty sure the best practice is charity's annual financial reports are in the public domain. The report on the video explained that the inmates become reliant on the ashram for sustenance. This not only makes it difficult for people to leave 'if they don't like it', but makes it unethical to expel a person who has 'surrendered all their wealth' (I presume said wealth is 'surrendered' to the ashram). These people are made reliant and vulnerable under this policy. That's an ethical nightmare right there. I Just happened upon this news article from India which claims that some of the persons mentioned in the video killed themselves after being expelled. indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/aurobindo-ashram-case-two-of-five-puducherry-sisters-and-mother-commit-suicide/I suggest this is the result of terrible ashram policy. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2016 19:50:06 GMT -5
waar gehakt wordt vallen spaanders or, you cant make an omelet without breaking an egg this is an ashram that is open to the outside world, "all life is yoga" the misconduct was also by the people living there not adhering to the ashram rules ashram fed and clothed and educated these people. if they dont like it, they are free to go. if they trespass repeatedly ashram rules, sanctions are to be expected, just like here on STF, which we should think of as "a virtual ashram" according to the signature line. I don't think it's fair to justify systemic abuse or corruption under any circumstance, and from what was said in the video, that system of trustees is breeding ground for it. I have served as trustee for an ashram, annual accounts are made public (I served as treasurer) and there are stringent processes in place that make any form of corruption very difficult. I'd be highly suspicious at a glance of their organisational structure. Charities usually replace a board member after they have served a year or 2 to prevent power mongering and corruption, and I'm pretty sure the best practice is charity's annual financial reports are in the public domain. The report on the video explained that the inmates become reliant on the ashram for sustenance. This not only makes it difficult for people to leave 'if they don't like it', but makes it unethical to expel a person who has 'surrendered all their wealth' (I presume said wealth is 'surrendered' to the ashram). These people are made reliant and vulnerable under this policy. That's an ethical nightmare right there. I Just happened upon this news article from India which claims that some of the persons mentioned in the video killed themselves after being expelled. indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/aurobindo-ashram-case-two-of-five-puducherry-sisters-and-mother-commit-suicide/I suggest this is the result of terrible ashram policy. i agree with you.Well said. I doubt if something this radical would have happened under the supervision of a dedicated SR person, whose authority is beyond question. I am loyal to them in the sense that i was radically healed by a student of integral yoga.It is not some bogus fantasy teaching. When a lot of money is involved it not always easy to find the right people for the job, i guess.There have been a lot nof ranglings about ownership of Auroville, ultimate responsibilty, after a bitter struggle, auroville got free from the ashram. the thing is , you DO have to sacrifice everything... but if you dont have anything in the first place, it becomes a different story-Being born into an ashram without wise guidance isnt something i would recommend. Satprem (former ashram inmate) was an adventurer with an interesting life story.A Vagabond.Rebel.Survived nazi concentration camp.After a long journey he landed in the ashram, in search for THAT.Years before he had had an encounter with Sri Aurobindo.He had a lot of struggle with being there, and was someone who would accept nothing but the real thing.He was independent.He left a couple of times.Lived the life of a beggar-monk.Wrote a very good novel about it.He sets out as a student, finds Nirvana, and then becomes the teacher of someone like him.It plays in rural villages.A book that burns. anyways, he was dedicated to the mother.If you can initiate a project like Auroville when you are 94,as she did, you got something going for you. There have always been problems there, but nothing this radical.Its not some folk being holy on a mountaintop, the ashram is spread over the entire town, in the middle of everyday life.You can not just shut out unwanted energies by closing the gates. i heard of another , a blogger ,that though she found freedom, she was a child abuse victim, was confronted with an attempt to seduce her, something totally off limits in a SA ashram ,by a staff member.(this was not in india) Not for therapeutical purpose, just --perfect ignorance. But very direct for, her, and the energy there, divine presence, got her through it. Fast.I had a similar experience when i went to Auroville.Totally unexpected confrontation with my deepest fear,in my first hour there.Bam Smack in me face.But i got through it.No pVssyfooting there.Tough cookie, the Mother.Lets Go!Get rid of that sh!t ! I like the honest attempt to build a city based on direct experience of the Divine.A matter of try, fail, try, fail and so on.Like real life. |
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