CREATION

[swamicollins]

IT WAS
but not "god" nor "godess"
IT was
but not "deva" or "devi"
IT WAS
but not Form nor Lack of Form
IT WAS
but not Incarnate nor Disincarnate
IT WAS
but not Existent nor Non-Existent
IT WAS
but had not Depth nor Height nor Breadth nor Volume
IT WAS
but could not be measured in Any Way
IT WAS
but could not be described with words in Any Way
IT WAS
but had not Materiality of Any Kind
IT WAS
but had not Immateriality of Any Kind
IT WAS
but had not Space nor Lack of Space
IT WAS
but had not Direction nor Lack of Direction
IT WAS
but had not Nothingness
IT WAS
but had not Somethingness
IT WAS
but had not Anythingness
IT WAS
but was not Beingness
IT WAS
but had not Isness nor Non-Isness
IT WAS
but had not Light nor Dark
IT WAS
but had not Wetness nor Dryness
IT WAS
but was not Nowhere
IT WAS
but was not Somewhere
IT WAS
but was not Anywhere
IT WAS
And then IT became Existent as the Universe
and Manifested ITs nature and became
ALL that was existing in that Universe.
All Incarnate and Disincarnate
All Physical and All Metaphysical
All Existent and Non-Existent
and still IT WAS.
It manifested Itself,in Ignorance of its own Nature,
as the Creative Centre of All Beings and Being
in order to participate in the Existence it had Created
from ITs own Nature.
And IT gave of ITs own Nature
by putting a Particle of ITs own Nature
into All Humans,Male and Female,
at Conception.
And IT set Humans the "Riddle of Life"
that had come from ITs Manifestation
as the Universe and All that was in it.
IT manifested ITself as the
Creative Centre of All Beings and Being
to ask these Three Questions
of All Humanity.
WHO AM I??
WHY AM I HERE??
WHEN I KNOW WHO I AM
THEN WHAT IS MY PURPOSE??
In doing so IT realised that these Questions
applied to ITself.
For like Humans IT was Manifested into Ignorance.
of ITs own Nature.
WHY AM I HERE??
Obviously I am here to answer the First Question
WHO AM I??.
Solving the First Question raised the Third Question--
WHEN I KNOW WHO I AM
THEN WHAT IS MY PURPOSE??
And then it made it as difficult as possible for Humans
and ITself to solve the Riddle of Life.
To solve the First Question.
WHO AM I??
For IT would test ITs CREATION,Humanity both Male and Female EQUALLY, for Independance,
as IT would test ITself to be Independant of Humans.
For it did NOT want a World of Manipulated Puppets.
Nor did IT want ITself through ITs vehicle
the Creative Centre of All Beings and Being
to be the Manipulator of Humanity.
And so IT gave Humanity and Itself these basic attributes
Free Will
Free Choice
Free Speech
Truthfulness
Free Association
Free Debate
Agreement to Disagree
Non-Violence
and then the ability to do the Opposite of all these.
And then by Creating the First Universal Yogi
who Created the first Mind and Conditioned Identity
within himself
and bound these first and following
Mind/Conditioned Identities
into the GroupMinds and Group Conditioned Identities
of "religions".
and to control ITself, through ITs Conditioned Identity,
and became the Energy source behind the"gods" and "godesses"
who were but Disincarnate Spirits, controlled through Vanity
and Hunger for the Emotional Energy
that Ecclesiastics induced to flow through "worship" through the GROUPMINDS that Humanity had formed of itself.
And to deceive ITself, through ignorance of ITs own Nature,
into believing that Its identity was the Conditioned Identity
of Creator/gods as described by
the GroupMinds of "religions" through the ignorant prosletysing of those at the head of these "religious" GroupMinds.
These "gods" and "godesses" were aided and abetted by
Ecclesiastics and Brahmins and the so-called "enlightened ones"
who persueded Humanity to amalgamate their individual Minds
into the GroupMinds of "religions"of various beliefs
and Philosophies that ALL had the sole hidden aim of preventing
Men and Women and the Creative Centre of All Beings and Being
from leaving these GROUPMINDS by dissolving their individual
Minds and Conditioned Identities.
Through this process of Dissolution of Mind Conditioned Identity
Humanity ,both Male and Female EQUALLY would become the means for CREATION to know ITs own Manifested Nature
as the Creative Centre of All Beings and Being.
Humans,both Male and Female EQUALLY would live in
the State of Separate and Merged with CREATION ITself.
The Creative Centre of All Beings and Being
would become the means for CREATION to know its own Manifested Nature through a twofold process.
1)as Humanity,Male and Female,EQUALLY,as CREATIONS
own Nature incarnated in each Human Body
2)as the Creative Centre of All Beings and Being through
Humanity,both Male and Female EQUALLY,showing CREATION
ITs own Nature as the Creative Centre of All Beings and Being.
For when both Men and Women have their Vehicles,the Body,
free from Mind and its puppet the Conditioned Identity
and CREATION has ITs Vehicle,the Creative CEntre of All Beings and Being free from ITs version of Mind/Conditioned Identity
then can the two come into Complete and Total Permanent UNION in the Ongoing State of Separate and Merged.
Beyond DUALITY and NON-DUALITY
The Final End of the Process of Yoga.

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[lightmystic]

"IT WAS
but not "god" nor "godess"
IT was
but not "deva" or "devi"
IT WAS
but not Form nor Lack of Form
IT WAS
but not Incarnate nor Disincarnate
IT WAS
but not Existent nor Non-Existent
IT WAS
but had not Depth nor Height nor Breadth nor Volume
IT WAS
but could not be measured in Any Way
IT WAS
but could not be described with words in Any Way
IT WAS
but had not Materiality of Any Kind
IT WAS
but had not Immateriality of Any Kind
IT WAS
but had not Space nor Lack of Space
IT WAS
but had not Direction nor Lack of Direction
IT WAS
but had not Nothingness
IT WAS
but had not Somethingness
IT WAS
but had not Anythingness
IT WAS
but was not Beingness
IT WAS
but had not Isness nor Non-Isness
IT WAS
but had not Light nor Dark
IT WAS
but had not Wetness nor Dryness
IT WAS
but was not Nowhere
IT WAS
but was not Somewhere
IT WAS
but was not Anywhere
IT WAS
And then IT became Existent as the Universe
and Manifested ITs nature and became
ALL that was existing in that Universe.
All Incarnate and Disincarnate
All Physical and All Metaphysical
All Existent and Non-Existent
and still IT WAS."

Beautiful. This is my experience too. I love that, and totally relate to it. Everything below that, however, seems to suggest a separateness, a good/bad and right/wrong, and those things are not separate from THAT in my experience. The have no distinct presence.

But I LOVE the top part. Anything pointing to that Allness is awesome from my standpoint.

Don't get all self righteous though, that would just ruin the magic.

[swamicollins]

LM-thank you but your out of touch with the cosmic games being played out in the REALITY that you are unable to be part of because of your MCI(mind/Conditioned Identity)
You MCI might not like what is actually going down but because it has NO part in it then what you "believe" has no validity anyway!
Have got Metal Fillings in your teeth??
Do you smoke Tobacco?
Do you drink Alcohol?
Do you take ANY Narcotic Addictive Drugs?(such as Cocaine,Heroin,Speed,Valium,Opium,Coffee)
THese are all negative factors.
Read the relevant sections of my Ebook
Your desire for a "cut and dried" version of Creation is not valid-read it again and try to "see" existential existence from CREATIONS point of view
CREATION watched through my eyes as I wrote the piece yesterday and gave the comment"exactly as it is"-the setup I describe is what has led to the "cesspit of existence on this Planet with ALL Religions offering different "cures" and " remedies "for the wrong appraisals of the Cosmic situation--you can accuse me of Ultimate HUBRIS -CREATION tells me to expect that -watch out for overwhelming changes as CREATION reasserts its control over the CCBB(Creative Centre of All Beings and Being)after ignorantly posing as various "gods" such as Allah Jehovah Brahman God Primordial Buddas etc etc--A prisoner of GroupMinds itself as this Religious horror has unfolded since Existence of Mind began it is awakening IT self--full of the self same experience that you are still going through but regaining its own Nature thanks to the efforts of a Group CONSCIOUSNESS(you are NOT part of that but could be if you Dissolved Mind/Conditioned Identity and let go of the false self-image that you identify with as youre "self")This Group CONSCIOUSNESS started by rejecting ALL the other "paths" and concentrated on the one Path that "religions" has always neglected-the Path of Physiological/Psychological/Anatomical Knowingness.
Try it you like it
Did you see where CREATION was forced into backing CONDITIONAL LOVE??
CREATION is returning to ITs true Nature of UNCONDITIONAL LOVE
Read my Ebook and study it well for the way delineated there is the ONLY way to Dissolution of MCI
My Dogmatism may upset you but someone had to solve the Riddle of Life and it is me--what do you want -to be the first to discover this Path??its too late for you to do that but your help in spreading the "word" would be appreciated by CREATION and me!! or to swallow youre Conditioned Pride and come into Permanent UNION with CREATION realised as a Small part of CREATION "yourself"-You have abilities of being able to put strings of words together!! why not use those abilities to help CREATION instead of trying to project images of who your Mind "thinks" you are(images based a synthesis of the concepts presented in the incorrect Books that youve read--you are nursing False Pride"
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[swamicollins]

LM-Further
I do NOT have ANY Magic!! Dont want ANY Magic!!
As for Self-Righteous--my integrity is to me the greatest asset I have--my truthfulness and candor have led me to Permanent total UNION with CREATION whereas your wishy washy MindGames are keeping you stuck in your made-up reality
Yes Ill grant that you "know" CREATION so Far--that is up to Manifestation point but beyond that you cannot go--everyone alive has this common experience because everyone alive is a small Part of CREATION incarnate in a Human Body Male or Female equally--apart from myself,my Yogini consort/Wife and Ben number one Human Male in the Spiral of Life(not the Authoritarian Pyramidical Structured GroupMind of Religions and Politics) has Mind/Conditioned Identity as do you and this MCI is what has caused the downfall of Humanity into this Kali-Yug-this Cesspit of violent corrupted existence ordered and run by Politics and Religions ever since the days of the First Universal Yogi(wrongly anthropomorphised by the corrupt Brahmins of Vedism into Shiva!!)--This CREATION brought into being by accepting those HUMAN attributes for ITself so as to understand FREE individuality under those rules of
Free will
Free Choice
Free Speech
Truthfulness
Free Association
Free Debate
Agreement to Disagree
NON-Violence
and the key of being able to do the opposite.
TRUTHFULNESS is NOT "truth"(religions each have their own separate "truth"
Absolute personal Honesty and Truthfulness is just NOT possible when one(such as you) identifies with Mind and its puppet the Conditioned Identity.
I may write more on this to you later but my BIG BIG German Shepherd wants her pre-brekkie walkies so Bye Bye

[swamicollins]

LM-That Separateness you mention-that Good/Bad- that Right/Wrong is nothing more than the Created Operational Field of MCI called DUALITY=the sublety comes from realising that Non-DUALITY is just the other half of DUALITY(Good/Bad-Right/Wrong-Insane /Sane that you live in because of MCI--you say that you are seeing the Past things in you slowly evolving and thats wrong-your past Conditioning is a product of Mind and is not dissolving just,as you say,evolving into a different version of itself--the Mind rewrites the Conditioned Identity as you pass through life--ever changing but always keeping control over the Brain and its Centres in the Head of the Body you are incarnated in.
your adaptation Disorder gains concepts and words from the so-Called "spiritual Books you read and synthesises a newer version of the Condition Identity on a daily basis.
Of Course they are NOT separate from That as because CREATION has been the "Universal Mind/Conditioned Identity any Human Mind would identify with and become part of that Cosmic GroupMind but because I have solved that Cosmic Riddle of Life I have been and am privileged to be a part of the Team of Mindless and Conditioned Identityless ones who are showing CREATION its real Nature by our action of Dissolving Mind/Conditioned Identity and thereby becoming that original uncorrupted Small piece of CREATION incarnated in EVERY Human Body(male and Female EQUALLY) and thus ,as it were,acting as a template for CREATION to recover its ORIGINAL Nature-as we are in the state of Separate and Merged(simultaneously) then we are in effect and reality CREATION itself but minus the MCI(I presume you wrongly use the Word "That" to describe your limited understanding/contact with CREATION-as CREATION brought into being DUALITY(and its other half Non-Duality)then its obvious that It did it for a purpose-In The interest of FAIRNESS it Created itself in the Ignorance Image of Humanity so as to be on the same level as Humanity-Mendacious Brahmins/Intellectuals created the "religions" that are the scourge of Humanity with their Strings of Fine sounding but meaningless associated words and concepts and status/ranks and level of "enlightenment" and "awakeness"that so impress you(the Id-Entity)and oevery other Mind posessed person alive-though I do admit that many such as you and Sophia and Peter etc do have and have had small connections of vwery sgort duration that when happening allow you to see the part of yourself that is CREATION incarnated-but a long term permanent relationship is impossible without Dissolving Totall and Permanently Mind/Conditioned Identity.
Read my Ebook www.experientialknowingnes.co.uk
use a dictionary and Medical yexybooks to define the words you do not know and always remember to VISUALISE INTERNALLY these new concepts that you will encounter.
The "distinct presence" that you mention is the presence that I call the Creative Centre of All Being and Being(the Vehicle /Body of CREATION)-that you and others know as "gods" "devas" --allah-god-brahman-etcetc)and the Vehicle /Body that you identify with and are incarnated with comes into Union with that MCI that CREATION has adopted in order to teach you your own Nature which is of course NOT the Mind and its Puppet the Conditioned Identity.
Debate is correctly done on a Face to Face basis and NOT on the NET which is just really another ground for creating GroupMinds such as the one this and other Blogs are.
Of course this is your core experience as it is every persons alive-where it all went Pearshaped is when Mind/Conditioned Identity came into being in the first Human body you incarnated in.Since then youve aquired words but not existential meanings=only meanings based on other words from all these books youve read in all the lifetimes youve had so far.
like it or NOT I dont care but I can tell if ANYONE Male or Female has Mind/Conditioned Identity-YOU(the Id-Entity) HAVE MCI DEFINITELY but you(the Id-Entity seek truthfulness on a personal level this I acknowledge) also

[lightmystic]

I like your point about non-duality simply being another half of duality. That is my experience too. What is dawning lately is just isness. It encompasses dual, non-dual. It's completely impossible to describe. It's the mind getting out of the way. It cannot be said, merely pointed to. And pointers are so poor at describing it....it's so much. How can one not well up with gratitude in this?

[swamicollins]

LM -I point out that IT is NOT Isness or Non-Isness.It(CREATION) is beyond Duality and Non-Duality.You say it is completely impossible to describe then go on to describe it as Isness!!-PARADOX!!I prefer to point out the way to the state and point out it has to be lived in as a State of Beingness0these words do NOT describe it in any way--CREATION can ONLY be experienced-NEVER EVER described!!
AS for well up with gratitude-I have this Golden Inner Body that came when CREATION touched me for the vfirst time-My Flesh body toughes the ground but the real Golden bodied me flies and floats-I do NOT just see a Butterfly but I am the Butterfly -Sing the Sparrows chirp-I am the bubbles in a mountain stream-I am the scent of the flower.

[lightmystic]

Isness was the word I was using to represent that which cannot be said. I'm extremely surprised you were unable to pick up on that.

[swamicollins]

LM-That which cannot be said CANNOT be said so why misuse or create words to say that which Cannot be said because YOU CANNOT use ANY words or Combinations of Words to say THAT WHICH CANNOT BE SAID!!Trying to do this is to waste time and space--To your mind it makes sense to try to say what cannot be said-Me,as MINDLESS,exist in the State that cannot be described by words.
I do INDEED pick up on your desire to communicate to me that you know there is "something" beyond "gods" or whatevers and that you(not the Mind
/Conditioned Identity in that body de experience on an experiential level that "something"--It is CREATION waiting for you to "Speak" to it--but MIND cannot speak for this speaking is NOT and NEVER can be done with Words-NEVER EVER NEVER EVER NEVER EVER!!But I "see" you have contact through your own efforts at "letting go"--Keep on keeping on.
Arthur Koestler used the word Isness(he coined it)in his 1950s book -The Lotus and the Robot"--used it to describe thae state of "beingness that cant be described in words-maybe through Music or Poetry--Id like you to sit down and listen to my Wife/Yogini/Consort(elec Guitar)and Myself (Clarinet and Flute) and Ben (Clarinet) play maybe Coltranes INDIA or Erik Saties Trois Gymnopaedies or Mingus Pork Pie Hat or the Stones Satisfaction--wed take you there I guarantee--into that state of MINDLESSNESS that is the ONLY way to reach CREATION--

[lightmystic]

This creation thing your talking about seems to be a weird place. I don't think I want your strange conception of creation. You feel connected to people but not inanimate objects? "Inanimate objects" are somehow "out there", separate from your own consciousness? How is that union with Creation? What Creation are you talking about here? It's really morbid curiosity at this point that makes me question what you're talking about. I've read you're ebook. It wasn't useful. It was the same thing talked about in every other spiritual text, only more opinionated and less from actual experience (even if you don't think so).

[sophia]

Swami,

I have felt that presence, and I've written about it on my blog that you rightfully say I maintain as self-promotion. If you care to read about it, it is here: visionsoftheworld.blogspot.com/2008/11/host-to-host.html

I'd like to experience it more often.

[BobTheBuilder]

The first post was deep, real deep.