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Post by zin on Nov 11, 2015 19:02:23 GMT -5
You can take any view you like as to whether aliens would be peaceful or warlike to us. Billy Meier actually does have far out claims on the matter - as to their involvement with humankind. That they were beneficial to us at first, and then exploited us - this history is given in The 251st Contact Notes. Even to say they had a huge UFO under the Giza pyramid at one time. I think there was a historical account of weird going ons within the Giza pyramid that seem to support this. And even claims that they masterminded the creation of earth's religions designed to enslave us. They would keep their involvement secret -because that is how nasty things can be done, and gotten away with. Our ancient past - via our myths and legends tell how they openly visited us, back then - even helping different cultures with their civilisation. Ancient Aliens tell this story. Here in New Zealand the Maoris have a special veneration for the Pleiades - incidentally where Meier's contacts come from (although they say it is not in our space/time continuum - essentially out of phase with our dimension/reality - but still of a physical nature). There are bound to be savage races/etc who do make use of hi-tech - because we are also an example of this. We are certainly hell bent on self destruction - as too past civilisations who went that way for one reason or another. Many we know little about, nor how or why they died out? people wonder why these aliens havent contacted us...would you go on a picknick with a chimpansee?Or a cow?Have a conversation on the mysteries of space and time and creation, with a dog? hi-tech? WE?? arent our inventions mostly crutches and flawd charicatures of our true potential? We dont even understand how telepathy works, or prayer, or telekinesis...we know nothing about ourselves ...we are slaves... "We dont even understand how telepathy works, or prayer, or telekinesis...we know nothing about ourselves": Yes, indeed!
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Post by kiwilove on Nov 11, 2015 19:25:17 GMT -5
Humankind needs to start using that intelligence that we all suppose to have and not just think of only one's life and how to best live that. Is there not something more than that - the sheer physicality of being.
All religions fail to be truthful and sincere - when they only show interest in what they can do - gaining power by proxy (speaking on behalf of a non-existent God) - and promoting only their message.
As far as space travel goes - it can be much closer to practicality than what most people think is possible. The work of John Searl comes to mind, which is reviewed in The John Searl Story video. Why NASA haven't knocked on his door, and made him chief engineer/designer for a whole new space program - is very much a puzzle. Rocketry is of course not the future of space travel at all.
Revolutionary ideas etc just don't seem to be taken up in general - making me think that those in leading positions/companies/etc simply are not interested in taking chances in new directions etc. This applies in general across all the fields you can think of and so we remain a rather dumb and unenlightened civilisation, in which advancement is done so slow.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2015 5:49:22 GMT -5
The Billy Meier / Plejaren / Semjase info is not channelled as such. He is a UFO contactee and has such contacts since as a child. He is a modern day prophet, as per past biblical prophets. He corrects that info again for mankind. Frequent users of this site most probably have never heard of this guy in a positive light. eg. He's listed on that show the Top 10 Hoaxes of all time, or something like this, except in his case the doco team did not check out the validity of the critic, who is a known liar of dubious character. He's written/transferred spiritual text, such as The Goblet of Truth, and other such text, so people here should read his material via www.futureofmankind.co.uk site. They can decide for themselves if the text is worthwhile reading or not. He is worth spending decades researching - see the Youtube videos Talmud Jmmanuel in which Stevens, Martin, Rothe, and Deardoff give lectures. He is the only one who plainly says what our world problems are - overpopulation, and should acknowledge this is the case. He's the only one who says only Apollo 11 was hoaxed, and 13 did reach the moon to the deliver the same objects in place of Apollo 11. So that the Apollo 11 landing site would not be empty. It is easy to see how 11 was to be faked, so that the mission would be a complete success guaranteed. The moon race was politically driven and the US simply was not ready to deliver on that due date, nor could they afford any disaster that would make the soviets the masters of space travel.
I saw about 2 hours of material, pro Billy Meier,downloaded from youtube. what puzzles me, and points in the direction of hoax, is that these superintelligent Pleiadians chose just one, only one person,Billy Meier, to disperse this message. Alex Collier was contacted by Andromedans, and he tells a quite different story, though a bit of it coincides...(Lyra being our ancestral birthplace)...from what i see in the videos, Collier is genuine insofar as that he believes what he says.(i dont). Steven Greer contacts the Sirians, and then there are the Arcturians as well.All tell different stories.´´Sirius disclosure´´ project (supported by a lot of high level folk like astronauts) identified via ex black ops and cia personnel, that there are at least 53 different species operating on and around earth. Either the Pleiadians dont really give a damn, as just one envoy-contactee is not going to do it,(save us from self destruction or wake us up) Perhaps they should contact twenty folk in different places, who then could independently present a comprehensive story-- and, PLEASE, EVIDENCE!!! HD film, interviews with aliens, dna samples of them, the works... Pleiadians cant spare the manpower apparently, poor us... I have personal experience of what a tricky pace the human mind is, and that hallucinations can appear totally REAL, even if part of your mind knows that it must be a hallucination...(pink elephants spring to mind...)And, collective hallucinations are quite possible...we all suffer from one...so two people seeing the same thang, doesnt make it ´´real´´. so, yes, nice message,to them pleiadians,it is all about the evolution--expression --of consciousness on / via the material plane--that part is quite good and convincing...but perhaps Meier had read Sri Aurobindo´s work? Pleiadians seem to live in a big bang (finite) universe--my question to them:do black holes really exist?? if so, how can a finite universe contain infinite gravity? (black hole)It is (a much ignored) mathematical and practical impossibility. the big bang never happened,has been debunked time and again from a variety of angles, but mr meier didnt know that,--he cleverly combines evolutionary consciousness theory (probably picked it up from aurobindo) with the ´´science dogmas of the day´´ (seventies last century) --the big bang theory...and then presents these as insights of the Pleiadians. sorry...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2015 5:55:05 GMT -5
Humankind needs to start using that intelligence that we all suppose to have and not just think of only one's life and how to best live that. Is there not something more than that - the sheer physicality of being. All religions fail to be truthful and sincere - when they only show interest in what they can do - gaining power by proxy (speaking on behalf of a non-existent God) - and promoting only their message. As far as space travel goes - it can be much closer to practicality than what most people think is possible. The work of John Searl comes to mind, which is reviewed in The John Searl Story video. Why NASA haven't knocked on his door, and made him chief engineer/designer for a whole new space program - is very much a puzzle. Rocketry is of course not the future of space travel at all. Revolutionary ideas etc just don't seem to be taken up in general - making me think that those in leading positions/companies/etc simply are not interested in taking chances in new directions etc. This applies in general across all the fields you can think of and so we remain a rather dumb and unenlightened civilisation, in which advancement is done so slow. it is all about fear. Money and power ease the fear...create the illusion of freedom.Those in position of power will always hang onto it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2015 6:04:36 GMT -5
Ola Zin, i havent seen that info yet...just tidbits...from what i know, i dont think it either confirms nor denies-- vales marinaris (the largest known canyon in our solar system),was formed by i giant thunderstroke--an electrical discharge between two planets...a possibility that has a lot of evidence to support it...(see ´´symbols of an alien sky part two--mars the lightning scarred planet´´)Nasa fails to explain how water can flow upwards...the ´´inlets´´ of that canyon (created by waterflow-says Nasa) are lower than the bottom of the canyon... Looking forward to seeing The Martian ? or did you see that movie already? I said I would put a link here later, this is a tidbit, too; I had posted it here (on moderated section): www.fox26houston.com/news/26033982-storyBut that was in September, now the new news (for me, anyway) is that its "upper atmosphere is slowly leaking out into the cosmos" because of solar winds. www.theverge.com/2015/11/5/9676076/nasa-mars-atmosphere-loss-maven-spacecraft-solar-winds-waterIt says: "...at some point in Mars' history, there was a dramatic climate shift. Jakosky says this was likely triggered by the loss of Mars' magnetic field. Mars once had a swirling, molten iron core — just like Earth does today — and the movement of this electrically conducting material generated a magnetic field around the planet. This field, called a magnetosphere, protected Mars from damage by solar winds, just as Earth's magnetosphere protects us now. The field deflects incoming particles from the Sun and redirects them toward areas where the magnetic field is weakest — the planet's poles.
But billions of years ago, Mars' iron core froze and the strong, intrinsic magnetic field was lost. Mars still has a magnetic field today, but it's puny, and stems from magnetized rocks in the planet’s southern hemisphere."
But no matter what the news is, I like to hear from it! Ola Zin, unfortunately i could not download the clip in the link and had no time to watch it online.About your quote ( iread the whole text online) Nasa thinks mars was ´´destroyed´´ by a major catastrophy 4 billion years ago do you know how they estimate the age of the solar system? by counting´´ meteor impacts´´...so many per 1000 years , etc. But ´´meteor impacts´´ were not created by meteors but electrical discharges, sometimes hundreds within a matter of minutes.This is shown in labs, (2014-2015).So the whole way of determining ´´age´´ is wrong.The vast majority of meteor impacts can not be reproduced in a lab by throwing a stone into earth. But electrical discharge experiments show exact likeness... Thunderbolts .info suggests that it (catastrophy) may have been as recent as 6000 years ago.I dont know if i believe that---i respect the thorough and serious work the scientist on this project do, and the attempt to come to an entirely new cosmology, based on lab evidence and Math, instead of on Mathematics alone.
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Post by kiwilove on Nov 12, 2015 16:18:22 GMT -5
It will be over the long term of decades that you will be more confident of who you believe in and why, etc etc. Because whoever you believe, in their material they will say what things are true, and what is not true. Even if they do not say directly (most will) - indirectly you can see whether they are in this camp or the other. Conspiracies do exist - or blind ignorance. When world religions use the same programming technique - you can plainly see they are using bullying techniques in their programming. Even those who do not use such bullying techniques still do not present a rational clear view. That still they go against plain common sense.
Billy Meier is tough to believe in - and it will be decades of absorption of that material, in which you can appreciate the material proper. He certainly has produced far more material on so many diverse topics, etc than anyone else. Although I have not heard/read all about Collier - what I have, did not impress me positively. I don't agree with everything that Meier says - a lot of it goes above my head/understanding. But he also says a lot of common sense stuff, you know for sure is right. He is the most reliable so far. I've read a lot of Lobsang Rampa, Jane Roberts, Ruth Montgomery and Delores Cannon - and have gone off these - although I was once a fan of them. Rampa pointed out the Philadelphia Experiment - which is more science fiction, than fact. Cannon retells the story of Jesus in the Christian version of events - well, you know the resurrection simply cannot happen at all. With Roberts and Montgomery - much of this new age stuff is really romantically driven and remains imagination based. Their core ideas do not really add up at all.
The Pleiadians have directly meddled in the course of Earth history - saved us on a number of occasions. They credit a lot of evil done by the bafath who orchestrated a lot of evil stuff in earth's history - and removed them, but what they set up remains
Decades later - or more, evidence will surface which will confirm or deny whoever you hold to be a teller of the truth. Depending on how old you are - you may or may not see the puzzle bits falling into the place of our reality or not?
Will it take the exploration of Mars to finally confirm the existence of a past hi-tech ancient civilisation? Which we do know, was present on Earth too - but little of that remains here. Perhaps it is so well hidden there, it will take time to find? If other great pyramids are found on Earth - then Meier will be validated.
Anyway the Youtube videos labelled as Talmud Jmmanuel - you do have people lecturing and presenting what they know - they offer their evidence, etc. Because Meier's famous photographs were taken in the early 80s' and earlier - he did not have photoshop etc available back then. And he's not into photography as a keen photohobbyist would be. I was/am and know something about possibly faking photographs. He's always chosen point and shoot cameras instead of the more sophisticated variety. His 35ECR camera was damaged such that he couldn't change the focus of, and he is a one armed man. Plus he always takes photos in series.
I am surprised by what he says about 9-11 and his reluctance to speak in detail about it. Before he dies, hopefully he will reveal more? I think the world ought to know all the details concerning 9-11 because the US administration (and also various US government agencies) did questionable acts at that time. Maybe a certain number of decades have to pass before it all comes tumbling out? I don't think Bin Laden was involved at all? But that is just my hunch. I can only guess that he overjoyed that he was credited to be involved in it. ie. Free publicity for his cause.
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Post by zin on Nov 12, 2015 18:31:36 GMT -5
I said I would put a link here later, this is a tidbit, too; I had posted it here (on moderated section): www.fox26houston.com/news/26033982-storyBut that was in September, now the new news (for me, anyway) is that its "upper atmosphere is slowly leaking out into the cosmos" because of solar winds. www.theverge.com/2015/11/5/9676076/nasa-mars-atmosphere-loss-maven-spacecraft-solar-winds-waterIt says: "...at some point in Mars' history, there was a dramatic climate shift. Jakosky says this was likely triggered by the loss of Mars' magnetic field. Mars once had a swirling, molten iron core — just like Earth does today — and the movement of this electrically conducting material generated a magnetic field around the planet. This field, called a magnetosphere, protected Mars from damage by solar winds, just as Earth's magnetosphere protects us now. The field deflects incoming particles from the Sun and redirects them toward areas where the magnetic field is weakest — the planet's poles.
But billions of years ago, Mars' iron core froze and the strong, intrinsic magnetic field was lost. Mars still has a magnetic field today, but it's puny, and stems from magnetized rocks in the planet’s southern hemisphere."
But no matter what the news is, I like to hear from it! Ola Zin, unfortunately i could not download the clip in the link and had no time to watch it online.About your quote ( iread the whole text online) Nasa thinks mars was ´´destroyed´´ by a major catastrophy 4 billion years ago do you know how they estimate the age of the solar system? by counting´´ meteor impacts´´...so many per 1000 years , etc. But ´´meteor impacts´´ were not created by meteors but electrical discharges, sometimes hundreds within a matter of minutes.This is shown in labs, (2014-2015).So the whole way of determining ´´age´´ is wrong.The vast majority of meteor impacts can not be reproduced in a lab by throwing a stone into earth. But electrical discharge experiments show exact likeness... Thunderbolts .info suggests that it (catastrophy) may have been as recent as 6000 years ago.I dont know if i believe that---i respect the thorough and serious work the scientist on this project do, and the attempt to come to an entirely new cosmology, based on lab evidence and Math, instead of on Mathematics alone. Ola Sunshine : ) I haven't watched any video either, I just read the texts. I too have respect for all the scientists dealing with these things.. I am not thinking much on the history of Mars. Current things are enough for me, like the atmosphere thing. And Kiwilove wrote: "The work of John Searl comes to mind, which is reviewed in The John Searl Story video. Why NASA haven't knocked on his door, and made him chief engineer/designer for a whole new space program - is very much a puzzle. Rocketry is of course not the future of space travel at all" above, I guess it's about faster space travel (sorry I haven't looked at anything about J. Searl yet).. Do Thunderbolts people talk about travel?
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Post by kiwilove on Nov 12, 2015 19:08:32 GMT -5
It could easily take up to 80? or so years for the information/data to stack up, as to who is right and who is wrong. Secrets should not be kept. All the WW2 information should have been released by now. We all know that the US and Russia were all after what technology that the Nazis left behind, that V-2 rockets were at the start of their space programs - that's something rarely mentioned and never acknowledged. What other technologies did they have and used? Foo fighters come to mind - which seem to be more of a distraction than anything tangible to threaten the enemy with. Erik von Daniken may be pooh poohed nowadays for his ancient astronauts theories but he popularized this notion in the 70s before him, I think it would be M K Jessup and his The Case For The UFO book, which is still worthwhile reading today. He is a central figure regarding the Philadelphia Experiment details, since he was tied up with it's leak to the public's notice. Most people would not have known of The Annotated Edition of The Case For The UFO - which is something along the lines of the MJ-12 papers. It may well be a piece of fiction, the annotations as such - but the general idea is pretty sound. That there would be a few ETs amongst the general population, staying hidden and gathering information, etc. There are all kinds of weird and wonderful, etc stories around. Some are more plausible than others? The Colonel Corso story is interesting - I first came across much the same kind of story, about an American Computer Company that said the same kind of thing predating the Corso revelation. The MJ-12 story is very shocking at first and it's hard to know how much of it is true? The US appears to have a system in place for dealing with crashed UFOs - seeing there was more than one significant incident of this type. One of the most respected UFO/etc researchers would be Linda Moulton Howe - but even she highlights some very peculiar unbelievable kind of cases. Two come to mind, whereas others are more the usual, or rather unusual.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2015 5:56:33 GMT -5
Ola Zin, unfortunately i could not download the clip in the link and had no time to watch it online.About your quote ( iread the whole text online) Nasa thinks mars was ´´destroyed´´ by a major catastrophy 4 billion years ago do you know how they estimate the age of the solar system? by counting´´ meteor impacts´´...so many per 1000 years , etc. But ´´meteor impacts´´ were not created by meteors but electrical discharges, sometimes hundreds within a matter of minutes.This is shown in labs, (2014-2015).So the whole way of determining ´´age´´ is wrong.The vast majority of meteor impacts can not be reproduced in a lab by throwing a stone into earth. But electrical discharge experiments show exact likeness... Thunderbolts .info suggests that it (catastrophy) may have been as recent as 6000 years ago.I dont know if i believe that---i respect the thorough and serious work the scientist on this project do, and the attempt to come to an entirely new cosmology, based on lab evidence and Math, instead of on Mathematics alone. Ola Sunshine : ) I haven't watched any video either, I just read the texts. I too have respect for all the scientists dealing with these things.. I am not thinking much on the history of Mars. Current things are enough for me, like the atmosphere thing. And Kiwilove wrote: "The work of John Searl comes to mind, which is reviewed in The John Searl Story video. Why NASA haven't knocked on his door, and made him chief engineer/designer for a whole new space program - is very much a puzzle. Rocketry is of course not the future of space travel at all" above, I guess it's about faster space travel (sorry I haven't looked at anything about J. Searl yet).. Do Thunderbolts people talk about travel? there are many angles to consider here...f.i. it is likely that aliens arent too happy with the possibility that we go out into space while we are still a petty, bickering, murderous species... I havent checked john searl out yet, is on my list. as far as billy meier is concerned--from what he says (and the pleiadians) (we are heading towards worldwar3), that is typical thinking of his age--the seventies--my generation grew up under the threat of nuclear holocoust. as far as spacetravel is concerned--thunderbolt doesnt say much about it,but I suspect devices that can do this are likely to be some kind of electro-magnetical contraption.Gravity being an EM phenomenon. They are adamant that ´´wormholes´´ and other mathematical fantasies do not exist.That the entire universe communicates with itself in ´realtime´´´.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2015 6:06:01 GMT -5
Ola Sunshine : ) I haven't watched any video either, I just read the texts. I too have respect for all the scientists dealing with these things.. I am not thinking much on the history of Mars. Current things are enough for me, like the atmosphere thing. And Kiwilove wrote: "The work of John Searl comes to mind, which is reviewed in The John Searl Story video. Why NASA haven't knocked on his door, and made him chief engineer/designer for a whole new space program - is very much a puzzle. Rocketry is of course not the future of space travel at all" above, I guess it's about faster space travel (sorry I haven't looked at anything about J. Searl yet).. Do Thunderbolts people talk about travel? there are many angles to consider here...f.i. it is likely that aliens arent too happy with the possibility that we go out into space while we are still a petty, bickering, murderous species... I havent checked john searl out yet, is on my list. as far as billy meier is concerned--from what he says (and the pleiadians) (we are heading towards worldwar3), that is typical thinking of his age--the seventies--my generation grew up under the threat of nuclear holocoust. as far as spacetravel is concerned--thunderbolt doesnt say much about it,but I suspect devices that can do this are likely to be some kind of electro-magnetical contraption.Gravity being an EM phenomenon. They are adamant that ´´wormholes´´ and other mathematical fantasies do not exist.That the entire universe communicates with itself in ´realtime´´´. I want to murder all your ideas because I know that they are all lies.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2015 6:16:44 GMT -5
there are many angles to consider here...f.i. it is likely that aliens arent too happy with the possibility that we go out into space while we are still a petty, bickering, murderous species... I havent checked john searl out yet, is on my list. as far as billy meier is concerned--from what he says (and the pleiadians) (we are heading towards worldwar3), that is typical thinking of his age--the seventies--my generation grew up under the threat of nuclear holocoust. as far as spacetravel is concerned--thunderbolt doesnt say much about it,but I suspect devices that can do this are likely to be some kind of electro-magnetical contraption.Gravity being an EM phenomenon. They are adamant that ´´wormholes´´ and other mathematical fantasies do not exist.That the entire universe communicates with itself in ´realtime´´´. I want to murder all your ideas because I know that they are all lies. great avatar, sharon who is the ´´I´´ in your post? oh, yeah, just another lie...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2015 6:28:43 GMT -5
I want to murder all your ideas because I know that they are all lies. great avatar, sharon who is the ´´I´´ in your post? oh, yeah, just another lie... It's the same I that thinks the avatar is great.
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Post by zin on Nov 14, 2015 18:34:50 GMT -5
Ola Sunshine : ) I haven't watched any video either, I just read the texts. I too have respect for all the scientists dealing with these things.. I am not thinking much on the history of Mars. Current things are enough for me, like the atmosphere thing. And Kiwilove wrote: "The work of John Searl comes to mind, which is reviewed in The John Searl Story video. Why NASA haven't knocked on his door, and made him chief engineer/designer for a whole new space program - is very much a puzzle. Rocketry is of course not the future of space travel at all" above, I guess it's about faster space travel (sorry I haven't looked at anything about J. Searl yet).. Do Thunderbolts people talk about travel? there are many angles to consider here...f.i. it is likely that aliens arent too happy with the possibility that we go out into space while we are still a petty, bickering, murderous species... I havent checked john searl out yet, is on my list. as far as billy meier is concerned--from what he says (and the pleiadians) (we are heading towards worldwar3), that is typical thinking of his age--the seventies--my generation grew up under the threat of nuclear holocoust. as far as spacetravel is concerned--thunderbolt doesnt say much about it,but I suspect devices that can do this are likely to be some kind of electro-magnetical contraption.Gravity being an EM phenomenon. They are adamant that ´´wormholes´´ and other mathematical fantasies do not exist.That the entire universe communicates with itself in ´realtime´´´. I will write when I check any video mentioned here (J. Searl), I have net connection problems. By the way, how is your dog? Hope he's well! I'm running after street animals usually, and take pics - of cats, birds, etc.. They would get along well with any alien .
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Post by kiwilove on Nov 14, 2015 21:54:24 GMT -5
We are always on the verge of WW3 - as long as we have armies/militaries that are ready to go to war, and nuclear arsenals ready to go. Thank you USA, Russia and China for giving us nuclear nightmares to live with. Britain, France, and India too. The most obvious is not said about IS - which should be coined 'I am Stupid!'. Anyone who endorses murdering innocent people for their cause, is of course quite 'mad' - lost any sense of reality, etc etc. They cannot form a state based on murder. Because within their ranks - they'll use murder to ascend higher and higher. Anyone with any sanity would stand against them - otherwise they'll simply murder you.
Likewise the US cannot be a world leader - if they use drones to murder the murderer(s). No matter how much they deserve it. They should be caught and captured instead - and serve as living examples for their crimes - as examples of how not to be brainwashed to be like them. J Searl dates back to the 70s or 80s - but Ed Leedskalnin's tech would be far cheaper to mass manufacture - which dates back to the 20s? or 30s?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2015 5:25:17 GMT -5
We are always on the verge of WW3 - as long as we have armies/militaries that are ready to go to war, and nuclear arsenals ready to go. Thank you USA, Russia and China for giving us nuclear nightmares to live with. Britain, France, and India too. The most obvious is not said about IS - which should be coined 'I am Stupid!'. Anyone who endorses murdering innocent people for their cause, is of course quite 'mad' - lost any sense of reality, etc etc. They cannot form a state based on murder. Because within their ranks - they'll use murder to ascend higher and higher. Anyone with any sanity would stand against them - otherwise they'll simply murder you. Likewise the US cannot be a world leader - if they use drones to murder the murderer(s). No matter how much they deserve it. They should be caught and captured instead - and serve as living examples for their crimes - as examples of how not to be brainwashed to be like them. J Searl dates back to the 70s or 80s - but Ed Leedskalnin's tech would be far cheaper to mass manufacture - which dates back to the 20s? or 30s? Likewise the US cannot be a world leader - Read more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/thread/4156/conquered-aliens-living-earths-matrix?page=3#ixzz3reFuXwh5Hello Sorry but i will no longer follow links or leads you give me. You mention Lobsang Rompa. He is the one who wrote a book about his travels in Tibet.Very popular in the seventies. Complete fiction--he was a plummer from England who never had left the Uk.Yet hordes and hordes of people believed him, and you apparently still do...It is a perfect example of how people can delude others with unbelievable stories, and make the m believe them.Ie Billy Meier etc etc As far as 9/11 is concerned--by now the only ones maintaining it was Osama who did that, are the ones who made up that story. It was an obvious ´´inside´´ job.I watched at least 30 hours of ´´conspiracy´´ documentaries on 9/11 alone and there is no doubt that some high US officials(including bush and cheney) were in on it, helping mossad agents...and what really happened that day was covered up by the Bush administration. The fact that you still seem to have doubts about this, is not very helpful--it means your research is flawd. And a last thing--if you reply to any of my posts, please press ´´quote´´--that way i get a notification, otherwise i may never even read it because it will be impossible to find back between other posts.I have no time for that. I guess ZD would ask you to quote a sentence from my post (copy -paste)--that save a lot of space,and i still get notified(via email).It automatically produces a link to the quote, as you can see above.I usually delete the link, since you should get a notification in your profile--you can activate that in settings in your profile if you want notification via email. And, if you put some space between blocks of sentences you write, like i do here, it is a lot easier to read (especially on a small screen)...and give you more folk who actually read what you write.Your textwalls are discouraging. best, this is a doc on 9/11 i recently saw.A conservative law abiding gullable american who ask a question, and another one...etc.An account of how his research turned his world upside down.
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