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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2016 22:25:53 GMT -5
Time is an illusion. We don't have to talk about it. If time is an illusion everything is an illusion. Time is subjective. Only clocks are real. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2016 23:04:56 GMT -5
He says multiple view point but only one consciousness is looking through all the view point. This is just a speculation he had before he meet Gopal, but after he met Gopal, Gopal has collapsed Enigmas speculation.None of the speculation can stand in front of Gopal, Because Gopal is the personalized form of certainity Wow! Gopal is Truth incarnate!   |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2016 23:08:24 GMT -5
I could find things to argue with tenka about, but we are aligned on what I consider to the most important issues For example, the issue of whether what is prior to appearances/expressions is divided or not, is an important one as I see it. I cannot get on board with gopal's model because it means that consciousness could be divided. So I would rather debate with him and laughter on that subject, than argue the fine points of something with tenka. Well, that's pretty much what I was pointing out, but fair enough. I don't believe Gopal accepts the idea of a divided Consciousness (nor do I), so you don't really need an ally there. Yeah, that's what I kept on repeating him. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2016 23:11:04 GMT -5
Some peeps claim to have past life memories. Have you seen any one of them? If they proclaimed to know the truth, Did you ever try to get the details of that died individual who has the resemble history of what this new individual is dictating? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2016 23:13:01 GMT -5
How does he marry the idea of multiple viewpoints with the idea that there might only be one viewpoint? Multiple viewpoints can happen, and almost certainly does, but it is an assumption. (Not one I lose much sleep over.)  |
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Post by preciocho on Sept 22, 2016 23:22:48 GMT -5
Some peeps claim to have past life memories. Have you seen any one of them? If they proclaimed to know the truth, Did you ever try to get the details of that died individual who has the resemble history of what this new individual is dictating? I echo your sentiments. There's a lot of fuzzy information out there.
What there does seem to be in the psychiatric/psychologist community is a once fringe section (now fairly mainstream) using past life regression therapy to correct behavior. I would call many of these corrections just alterations and many of these past lives just unconscious energy mingling at the point of attraction. When you get into the potential for a spirit from the therapist to over cloak the person regressing, it's a real dog and pony show.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 0:35:15 GMT -5
Observe me very closely, whenever I interact with a person, I try very hard to make them understand, but only when they continue to show ignorance, I have left with no way because I know my own futility of addressing anything to them. I believe I am logically very strong, perhaps I am wrong But I believe myself that way. So I believe my interpretation towards my experience can't go wrong. I don't dislike Gay people or Lesbian people. Many here including Peter believes that I dislike them. Please believe me, I talked that way only to attack Alfio since he attacked me. I don't dislike them because it's not something they have chosen for themselves. I know their inner feeling are inherent by nature. Many religious people tend to mistake in this place that they act by their own will but it's not true. I know very well that they have been created that way, but one thing is, I really scared about them in the past but my logic never fail to grasp the truth about them even though I scared about them. , Gopal, is the essence of what i am saying. And how you do not understand what i just wrote to you, it is exemplary and illustrative why you can not get results here.YOU make NO effort to understand the other person.Your only wish is, that they understand you. It does not work that way.They try, (i know i did- ) but you do not understand or even try to understand them. That is my problem here with you.You tell others they are ignorant,(which i find rude) but they have just as much right to be just as rude to you, because you are just as ignorant when they try to explain their insight to you. For the rest of your reply,thanks for the honesty, i respect it. When i was much younger, i was 18 or so, one of my friends told me he was (is?) gay. Since i knew him a while already and liked him as a friend, i noticed it made no difference to me. In my culture (Holland, then) it was already much accepted, education had been good about gay and lesbians. So i did not care when he went public with his being gay. He kept the same friends, and nothing changed, for me anyway. I can understand that in India this is going to take one or two generations more to get to that point. What others will say when you are seen with a gay person may be of influence.In Holland, and even here in Portugal (very catholic country before) nobody cares. But, i tell you, if you befriend a gay person, who can be discreet, you will have a friend for life, just for being there. No need to be scared. They dont bite, and wont try do funny things with you, if they have half a brain... And, a some men still are scared and homophobic here, but that is often because they have not acknowledged their own gay-ness.Self hatred, which finds agressive expression toward others. Be well. When we argue with some people, It's very essential to understand their view, otherwise how could I argue against them? So when I argue with people, I usually understand what they are saying. If I put some kind of smiley or something like that, that that means What you wrote doesn't make any sense to me or it doesn't stand to the scrutiny. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 1:25:56 GMT -5
Have you seen any one of them? If they proclaimed to know the truth, Did you ever try to get the details of that died individual who has the resemble history of what this new individual is dictating? I echo your sentiments. There's a lot of fuzzy information out there.
What there does seem to be in the psychiatric/psychologist community is a once fringe section (now fairly mainstream) using past life regression therapy to correct behavior. I would call many of these corrections just alterations and many of these past lives just unconscious energy mingling at the point of attraction. When you get into the potential for a spirit from the therapist to over cloak the person regressing, it's a real dog and pony show.
The therapist works with his or her patients spirit. Opening the door to pre-mind consciousness permits insights to occur.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 1:27:20 GMT -5
Some peeps claim to have past life memories. That can also be a great example of spirit cloaking. The person remembers the life of the spirit and mistakes it for a past life, because it's not actually the person remembering but the spirit attached to the person using its mind. Ironically these types of regressions can dislodge spirits, but the regressions themselves often involve bypassing the causal emotion which allows the cloak. So while a problem behavior pattern might be altered (and be mistaken for 'healed' by a past life regression therapist), the same dynamic can just re-assert itself in new form if the causal emotion isn't addressed. With a new spirit of course, and a new paycheck for the therapist. Pretty sweet gig. Once I have read in some news paper that a 5 or 6 year old boy from Netherlands(I am not sure of the country, but I guess) remember the past incident happened to him, he informed his parents that he was killed and buried in certain place 7 years ago(1 year before his birth), their parents has taken this lightly for a long time, Since this boy continuously insisting this, they asked him to show the place where he was killed. The body led their parents to that certain place where the doctor was murdered by three people by hitting in his head. So they started to dig the ground and they found the human Skeleton and then police investigation started and they came to know that doctor was missed for few years and this boy point out the people who has killed him and those people got surprised and admitted the crime. This story excited me very much because this seems to be that boy had a past life where he was doctor but the problem here is, how come the boy knows the truth that that was he? why not the memory of him(Other aspect of the same consciousness)? |
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Post by tenka on Sept 23, 2016 1:28:41 GMT -5
This is on par with my question put to E about 'why marry your wife' if your just guessing she is real . There are qualities, properties, characteristics and such likes that she and anything pertains .. We assign / associate / attribute as such to virtually everything we perceive / relate to . If we don't associate certain things with certain things, then we would be asking the blow up doll how was your day instead of asking the misses .. Other people and things with various qualities appear in my experience and I interact with them. I'm having trouble seeing how you turn that into a problem to be solved on some basis of real or unreal. You may have forgotten the entire reason for why I have spoken along such lines regarding differences between the dream characters and your wife or mother . The problem I see for some is that they can't seem to tell the differences between a pink elephant in their dream and their wife in the flesh' . All they seem to do is ignore the differences and point out the similarities . Maybe some peeps partners look like a pink elephant and that would be the reason I suppose .. |
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Post by preciocho on Sept 23, 2016 1:32:05 GMT -5
I echo your sentiments. There's a lot of fuzzy information out there.
What there does seem to be in the psychiatric/psychologist community is a once fringe section (now fairly mainstream) using past life regression therapy to correct behavior. I would call many of these corrections just alterations and many of these past lives just unconscious energy mingling at the point of attraction. When you get into the potential for a spirit from the therapist to over cloak the person regressing, it's a real dog and pony show.
The therapist works with his or her patients spirit. Opening the door to pre-mind consciousness permits insights to occur. Sure, but when the therapist think an over cloaking spirit is a past life, and the reason for the spirit is unhealed emotion, therapists can actually profit from a never ending series of spirits cloaking a patient with lots of trajectory alteration and no true healing. |
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Post by tenka on Sept 23, 2016 1:32:49 GMT -5
Everything is God, Cheese, Consciousness or whatever word association one prefers will refer to that specific God context . Casting aside one context for another even though one supposedly entertains the notion that everything is God is highlighting that such a peep doesn't actually relate God being all there is, being every thought / expression there is .. I understand context fine, I understand context relating to God just fine .. You said "every context refers to God". Lots of contexts don't have anything to do with God. God is not part of the content of those contexts and you can't make it part of them because you figure you know betterer. Maybe you mean, the context of God Donald Trumps all other contexts? You can talk/discuss in a context that you know is not the actual truth. It's okay. If God / Consciousness is all there is (as discussed) then every context refers to God .  . How can it not be? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 1:33:49 GMT -5
Have you seen any one of them? If they proclaimed to know the truth, Did you ever try to get the details of that died individual who has the resemble history of what this new individual is dictating? I echo your sentiments. There's a lot of fuzzy information out there.
What there does seem to be in the psychiatric/psychologist community is a once fringe section (now fairly mainstream) using past life regression therapy to correct behavior. I would call many of these corrections just alterations and many of these past lives just unconscious energy mingling at the point of attraction. When you get into the potential for a spirit from the therapist to over cloak the person regressing, it's a real dog and pony show.
these corrections of past lives are nonsense! Your spirit starts to operate from the information that you have gained in this life time and it alters when the clarity dawn! |
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Post by preciocho on Sept 23, 2016 1:37:04 GMT -5
That can also be a great example of spirit cloaking. The person remembers the life of the spirit and mistakes it for a past life, because it's not actually the person remembering but the spirit attached to the person using its mind. Ironically these types of regressions can dislodge spirits, but the regressions themselves often involve bypassing the causal emotion which allows the cloak. So while a problem behavior pattern might be altered (and be mistaken for 'healed' by a past life regression therapist), the same dynamic can just re-assert itself in new form if the causal emotion isn't addressed. With a new spirit of course, and a new paycheck for the therapist. Pretty sweet gig. Once I have read in some news paper that a 5 or 6 year old boy from Netherlands(I am not sure of the country, but I guess) remember the past incident happened to him, he informed his parents that he was killed and buried in certain place 7 years ago(1 year before his birth), their parents has taken this lightly for a long time, Since this boy continuously insisting this, they asked him to show the place where he was killed. The body led their parents to that certain place where the doctor was murdered by three people by hitting in his head. So they started to dig the ground and they found the human Skeleton and then police investigation started and they came to know that doctor was missed for few years and this boy point out the people who has killed him and those people got surprised and admitted the crime. This story excited me very much because this seems to be that boy had a past life where he was doctor but the problem here is, how come the boy knows the truth that that was he? why not the memory of him(Other aspect of the same consciousness)? This could be another apparent over cloak. Meaning the spirit of the doctor developed a spirit attraction to the boy and could drop thoughts into the boy's mind as if they were his own, or put another way, the thoughts being dropped into his mind are/were the actual spirit |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 1:37:57 GMT -5
Once I have read in some news paper that a 5 or 6 year old boy from Netherlands(I am not sure of the country, but I guess) remember the past incident happened to him, he informed his parents that he was killed and buried in certain place 7 years ago(1 year before his birth), their parents has taken this lightly for a long time, Since this boy continuously insisting this, they asked him to show the place where he was killed. The body led their parents to that certain place where the doctor was murdered by three people by hitting in his head. So they started to dig the ground and they found the human Skeleton and then police investigation started and they came to know that doctor was missed for few years and this boy point out the people who has killed him and those people got surprised and admitted the crime. This story excited me very much because this seems to be that boy had a past life where he was doctor but the problem here is, how come the boy knows the truth that that was he? why not the memory of him(Other aspect of the same consciousness)? This could be another apparent over cloak. Meaning the spirit of the doctor developed a spirit attraction to the boy and could drop thoughts into the boy's mind as if they were his own, or put another way, the thoughts being dropped into his mind are/were the actual spirit Thoughts can't be dropped inside your consciousness. Consciousness creates and perceives. |
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