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Post by andrew on Sept 14, 2016 7:31:34 GMT -5
The potential mental spin on topics with existential questions at the root is endless. You can walk away .. or you can double-down-dooooofus and ask "well, hey, what if you surgically removed an eye and put it in a petri dish, what would it see then??  ". Lolz named that philosopher guy who calls himself a material realist and was invited to speak at TED, and even a guy like that knows better. Sometimes it seems, TMT doesn't go far enough, and if peeps don't have the mental gasoline to make it out to the edge of the wastelands, they stall halfway there.  yes, It seems to be endlessly going on,but he and his companions continue to miss the point which I have been trying to make. You are missing the point that we are making - regardless of whether the eye is an imaginary appearance, you do believe that you see through your eyes. |
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Post by laughter on Sept 14, 2016 7:35:10 GMT -5
The potential mental spin on topics with existential questions at the root is endless. You can walk away .. or you can double-down-dooooofus and ask "well, hey, what if you surgically removed an eye and put it in a petri dish, what would it see then?? ". Lolz named that philosopher guy who calls himself a material realist and was invited to speak at TED, and even a guy like that knows better. Sometimes it seems, TMT doesn't go far enough, and if peeps don't have the mental gasoline to make it out to the edge of the wastelands, they stall halfway there. yes, It seems to be endlessly going on,but he and his companions continue to miss the point which I have been trying to make. There's a few different agenda's going on, but generally speaking it's a great example of a mutually-supported group belief. There's this one melody the orchestra's playing that is subtle, but very clear if you listen for it: the idea that "physicality" isn't "real" is often a source of anxiety that gets peeps to resist it, especially in North American and European cultures. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2016 7:37:08 GMT -5
How can the welcomer of the 'world of duality' not exist without the 'world of duality'? Well it can't. We could say that they are mutually dependant or that they arise simultaneously. So, if someone wants to be a welcomer of the world of duality, a world of duality exists. Bringing that all the way back to the desires of that someone, and the appearance of, the universe fulfilling all wishes. Any seeker who hasn't contemplated whether existence needs peeps as much as peeps need existence to the point where it's no longer a question is at the first step of a long and strange trip. ... it's also just gopals question about the Moon in a different form. It certainly does. And, there was no God to do any of it. How remarkable. |
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Post by laughter on Sept 14, 2016 7:39:26 GMT -5
Existence seems to have done just fine without peeps for billions of years prior. Any seeker who hasn't contemplated whether existence needs peeps as much as peeps need existence to the point where it's no longer a question is at the first step of a long and strange trip. ... it's also just gopals question about the Moon in a different form. It certainly does. And, there was no God to do any of it. How remarkable. She was resting up in anticipation of what was to come.  .jpg) |
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Post by laughter on Sept 14, 2016 7:41:13 GMT -5
I Am currently writing about this phenonemon. 1844 WA. Here the Brits wrapped whaling-chain about a 14yo Irish lad, who had the body weight of a 9yo so as too please the Gov over Easter, 'for a quick-kill.' No-one had hung a child so Light!  ::warning - contains conspiracy:: The technique of identity splitting through intense pain and suffering is also a government/military practice that enables them to turn young people into soldiers (of the more undercover kind). Relax dude, St. Patrick was abducted from the big island in chains. It's all in the past man. |
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Post by andrew on Sept 14, 2016 7:42:40 GMT -5
::warning - contains conspiracy:: The technique of identity splitting through intense pain and suffering is also a government/military practice that enables them to turn young people into soldiers (of the more undercover kind). Relax dude, St. Patrick was abducted from the big island in chains. It's all in the past man. I don't get the joke, I'm sure it would be amusing if I did. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Sept 14, 2016 7:45:48 GMT -5
You could have told andrew this about three pages back. I explained him but he doesn't seems to be understanding. All I'm saying is sometimes a direct answer works better. (If he says: are ears an appearance only also, just say, yes, correct. Saying I can't believe you don't understand me doesn't help. But it also doesn't help that something incorrect can't be understood anyway, IOW, at some point dialogue must necessarily cease). |
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Post by laughter on Sept 14, 2016 7:49:51 GMT -5
Relax dude, St. Patrick was abducted from the big island in chains. It's all in the past man. I don't get the joke, I'm sure it would be amusing if I did. I took your "contains conspiracy theory" and the follow-up to be a reaction to the british/irish divide of the story so I offered the balancing point of St. Patrick, do you see how that fits? ps: .. perhaps I should've asked, do you know Paddy's story? |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Sept 14, 2016 7:51:30 GMT -5
Will try once more. For Gopal, everything is an appearance in consciousness. Gopal knows nothing concerning how the appearance gets delivered to consciousness. For Gopal, there are no exterior trees, no moon. Sometimes he will say we can't know (if something is out there or not), but usually he says there is nothing exterior. Imaginary means it seems we are seeing through the eyes, but we are not really. If this has not been cleared up (for you) by now, eyes are not special, it seems we have a body, but Gopal says we do not, we merely have the appearance of having a body. It seems as if there is a moon up in the sky, but for Gopal, not, moon is merely an appearance in consciousness. I think I'm done now. Very good explanation, yes. You seems to be clearly understanding me in this place. OK, thanks, but I still disagree with most of what you say. The person/mind/brain's ability to build an imaginary universe is very powerful. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Sept 14, 2016 7:53:15 GMT -5
Gopal has trapped himself in his own conceptual construct. Reality is structured to allow this to happen. The walls of Gopal's construct are built with mirrors, so everything he sees confirms his concepts. It is almost virtually impossible to escape such a situation. However, Gopal is not alone, we all have our own little "boxes" also, but most are not as "air-tight" as Gopal's is. Most of us live in a paradigm subject to revision. ( Yes Gopal, I consider it a fact that eyes exist, and brains, and the moon).That's ok, but I am happy that you understood me why I believe that way . OK. |
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Post by andrew on Sept 14, 2016 7:54:21 GMT -5
I don't get the joke, I'm sure it would be amusing if I did. I took your "contains conspiracy theory" and the follow-up to be a reaction to the british/irish divide of the story so I offered the balancing point of St. Patrick, do you see how that fits? ps: .. perhaps I should've asked, do you know Paddy's story? No, I don't. My knowledge is limited to St. George and even with him, I only know it has something to do with slaying a dragon. |
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Post by laughter on Sept 14, 2016 7:56:53 GMT -5
I took your "contains conspiracy theory" and the follow-up to be a reaction to the british/irish divide of the story so I offered the balancing point of St. Patrick, do you see how that fits? ps: .. perhaps I should've asked, do you know Paddy's story? No, I don't. My knowledge is limited to St. George and even with him, I only know it has something to do with slaying a dragon. Ah, ok, well, google paddy's life and it'll make sense if you want. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Sept 14, 2016 8:01:06 GMT -5
Because he can't reconcile a conceptual, visually impaired, self-identity, that needs glasses, with a conceptual self-identity of Consciousness that doesn't.  We are not seeing through eyes, we are seeing through imaginary eye, we wear glasses when that imaginary eye looses power. When I say imaginary eye loose the power, I meant to say consciousness creates different perpetual flow, Glasses doesn't exist in itself as well. If you look up circular thinking in a philosophical dictionary, you see Gopal's picture. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2016 8:11:31 GMT -5
It certainly does. And, there was no God to do any of it. How remarkable. She was resting up in anticipation of what was to come. The end of the universe has already happened. And I can't see another on the horizon. I'll just rest here in this pulse Until a new shape returns. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2016 8:13:25 GMT -5
::warning - contains conspiracy:: The technique of identity splitting through intense pain and suffering is also a government/military practice that enables them to turn young people into soldiers (of the more undercover kind). Relax dude, St. Patrick was abducted from the big island in chains. It's all in the past man.  |
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