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Post by lolly on Sept 3, 2016 2:29:30 GMT -5
That's got nothing to do with me; nor does Quinn strike me as being particularly cynical. Apart from belittling Quinn, you also blame me. It's ludicrous. She's not particularly cynical, just moreso than she used to be in these discussions. I believe that's what I said. It's an observation, not an attempt to belittle. I'm not blaming you for anything, just disagreeing. You do, however, have a serious bug up your butt. The way I understood it, Quinn's cynicism is a contagion caught from me, and it's actually pretty reasonable to find that offensive so this 'bug up your butt' is also trying to locate the problem in me when we could equally say your insinuations imply your 'a$$ bug', but that's not what I'm saying - it's just something you say. |
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Post by enigma on Sept 3, 2016 10:25:00 GMT -5
She's not particularly cynical, just moreso than she used to be in these discussions. I believe that's what I said. It's an observation, not an attempt to belittle. I'm not blaming you for anything, just disagreeing. You do, however, have a serious bug up your butt. The way I understood it, Quinn's cynicism is a contagion caught from me, and it's actually pretty reasonable to find that offensive so this 'bug up your butt' is also trying to locate the problem in me when we could equally say your insinuations imply your 'a$$ bug', but that's not what I'm saying - it's just something you say. You don't have to be offended. You can simply check to see if it might be true. If you don't find that it is, let it go. Don't assign all sorts of manipulative power strategies to me, just let it go. |
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Post by preciocho on Sept 3, 2016 11:44:48 GMT -5
I gave myself a haircut today. Didn't turn out that well. Perhaps should have hired the universe to do it  Or just be more careful. The universe is gonna touch it up today.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2016 14:39:30 GMT -5
Or just be more careful. The universe is gonna touch it up today. I'm sure it's unparalled aptitude will be lusciously felt.  |
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Post by lolly on Sept 3, 2016 21:04:43 GMT -5
The way I understood it, Quinn's cynicism is a contagion caught from me, and it's actually pretty reasonable to find that offensive so this 'bug up your butt' is also trying to locate the problem in me when we could equally say your insinuations imply your 'a$$ bug', but that's not what I'm saying - it's just something you say. You don't have to be offended. You can simply check to see if it might be true. If you don't find that it is, let it go. Don't assign all sorts of manipulative power strategies to me, just let it go. Still trying to make it about me - whereas I could say you don't have to be offensive. Even here you first assume the position of saying what I need or don't need before implying that I'm offended - and that what you said isn't actually offensive. Isn't implying, first, Quinn's comment is invalid due to her being cynical, and secondly, that her cynicism is a contagion spread me offensive? Or is this one of those 'is it true' zen stick type insults? |
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Post by enigma on Sept 4, 2016 10:32:12 GMT -5
You don't have to be offended. You can simply check to see if it might be true. If you don't find that it is, let it go. Don't assign all sorts of manipulative power strategies to me, just let it go. Still trying to make it about me - whereas I could say you don't have to be offensive. Even here you first assume the position of saying what I need or don't need before implying that I'm offended - and that what you said isn't actually offensive. Isn't implying, first, Quinn's comment is invalid due to her being cynical, and secondly, that her cynicism is a contagion spread me offensive? Or is this one of those 'is it true' zen stick type insults? I'm not trying to avoid saying something offensive. I'm trying to say something true. Whether or not you find that offensive depends mostly on whether or not you agree it's true. It wouldn't be "reasonable" to find the truth offensive, so aren't we just talking about whether or not it's true? |
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Post by preciocho on Sept 5, 2016 14:34:09 GMT -5
The universe is gonna touch it up today. I'm sure it's unparalled aptitude will be lusciously felt. |
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Post by lolly on Sept 5, 2016 19:21:52 GMT -5
Still trying to make it about me - whereas I could say you don't have to be offensive. Even here you first assume the position of saying what I need or don't need before implying that I'm offended - and that what you said isn't actually offensive. Isn't implying, first, Quinn's comment is invalid due to her being cynical, and secondly, that her cynicism is a contagion spread me offensive? Or is this one of those 'is it true' zen stick type insults? I'm not trying to avoid saying something offensive. 1)I'm trying to say something true. 2)Whether or not you find that offensive depends mostly on whether or not you agree it's true. It wouldn't be "reasonable" to find the truth offensive, so aren't we just talking about whether or not it's true? Of course it isn't true, I mean, 'its insane'. it's an insult used as strategy to discredit Quinn personally so as invalidate what she said, and to construct me as somehow contagious not only to invalidate what I say, but also portray distasteful to other people. It's obviously offensive, but you seem now to take this strategy of 'is it true', which indicates to me that the initial insult is becoming the 'zen stick'. Same game. You insulted both me and Quinn, though, and that's the only truth. |
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Post by enigma on Sept 5, 2016 22:15:48 GMT -5
I'm not trying to avoid saying something offensive. 1)I'm trying to say something true. 2)Whether or not you find that offensive depends mostly on whether or not you agree it's true. It wouldn't be "reasonable" to find the truth offensive, so aren't we just talking about whether or not it's true? Of course it isn't true, I mean, 'its insane'. it's an insult used as strategy to discredit Quinn personally so as invalidate what she said, and to construct me as somehow contagious not only to invalidate what I say, but also portray distasteful to other people. It's obviously offensive, but you seem now to take this strategy of 'is it true', which indicates to me that the initial insult is becoming the 'zen stick'. Same game. You insulted both me and Quinn, though, and that's the only truth. That's not true, but you see, I'm not offended by your (objectively offensive) misperception, just a little intrigued. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 22:40:38 GMT -5
I don't think that's what he was suggesting. From our previous dialogs it seems to me that he understands the nature of futility quite well. And it's that view that he expressed when he said it's not in our hands, but it's inconsistent with the suggestion that one not force in order to bring about a different result. He understands the futility of forcing, but perhaps not the futility of trying to not force. Every escape plan has a price. Obviously I am not asking figgles to stop forcing when I say 'Stop forcing' because not only forcing is the problem, 'not forcing' is also a problem, that is also another action. So I am not talking about stopping the force consciously. Any action in any direction is really a problem. When you decided to achieve something, you start to force yourself to some extent due to your enthusiasm towards your achievement, but after certain period of time when you know you haven't gone anywhere you would give up, but by forcing act which you have done recently you have already created future line and this line consist of passion for you. So sooner or later you would fine passion and when you find passion obviously you don't have to force yourself, every idea and new inspiration would fall on your lap, when you are travelling alone this impassioned line, you would soon notice that passion would start deteriorating and soon you would be left with no passion and you would soon find yourself forcing again and then passion and then forcing this goes on and on no matter how many years gone by until you notice this truth. Only when YOU SEE this complete cycle, your forcing automatically come to an end and the passion which has been born out of your forcing would come to end as well. This is what I call Observing the greater movement of universe. Once after the realization we would not be forcing(automatically happens after our seeing) ourselves when the passion comes to an end, So slowly this impassioned movement would come to an end. Not only the action even the decision to take action A to eradicate the situation B if it occurs in your future is also a problem, because this decision would create the situation B for you to experience action A, most of them would not see this clearly. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 22:42:34 GMT -5
And it's that view that he expressed when he said it's not in our hands, but it's inconsistent with the suggestion that one not force in order to bring about a different result. He understands the futility of forcing, but perhaps not the futility of trying to not force. Every escape plan has a price. Well, looking back on what he wrote, I'd disagree with him that passion can't just happen. But I'm open to a different interpretation of what he wrote about forcing. He might have been describing what it's like to notice the inclination toward emotional effort as it arises, from a witnessing attitude. Exactly, Noticing! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 22:45:51 GMT -5
But you suggest eliminating it by ending forcing. I don't think that's what he was suggesting. From our previous dialogs it seems to me that he understands the nature of futility quite well. Yes, Exactly! |
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Post by lolly on Sept 5, 2016 23:42:17 GMT -5
Of course it isn't true, I mean, 'its insane'. it's an insult used as strategy to discredit Quinn personally so as invalidate what she said, and to construct me as somehow contagious not only to invalidate what I say, but also portray distasteful to other people. It's obviously offensive, but you seem now to take this strategy of 'is it true', which indicates to me that the initial insult is becoming the 'zen stick'. Same game. You insulted both me and Quinn, though, and that's the only truth. That's not true, but you see, I'm not offended by your (objectively offensive) misperception, just a little intrigued. OK, I can't repeat myself again, and I'm not part of your 'objective'/'true'/'misperception' game, so I'll leave you to it. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 0:33:04 GMT -5
Everything arises from the self and being perceived by self. Since unicorn doesn't appear in your world doesn't mean that outer world exist in itself. Infact this evidence is no way related here. I am pointing out the perceiving nature of Self. Everything is appearing, So moon is appearing, you are seeing the inner moon and speculating the outer world moon. I don't actually speculate on inner and outer worlds, but still use that reference as a figure of speech as it still has meaning in terms of what happens in the world, and what's happening within me. I'm just saying the moon is 'appearing' because it's there. This is what I call as speculation because you are not seeing the outer moon, you are seeing inner moon and outer moon is speculated. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 1:28:25 GMT -5
Powerful words. I haven't even been directly accused and I feel genuinely and sincerely hated.  You are not accused, you DID objectify and make a subject of person and assert they they are too invested, and between the two of you, you produced quite a dismal impression of a person as you pranced about together in the spiritual light. Now your 'playing the victim' being under the 'delusion' that everything's about you, but really, I was recalling the time Satch abused Gopal relentlessly and then paraded himself as holy man with a zen stick! And 2 or 3 others stroked his spiritual ego, as that must've hated G-man as well. I don't hate anyone. In this entire world with so many complete nutbags, I have not a shred of malice i any way. I just keep a bit clear of you because you treat me like some sort of underling, and I don't want be called insane, deluded, be psychoanalysed, made a subject of and so on; it's just not my scene. I'd tell you to get off the hight horse, but you're likely way too invested in it. Now I'm just taking the language people use, the techniques people deny are strategies, and seeing how they sound for me... feels cr4p when it's you who's insane and deluded and way too invested to see it and I bet Satch just loves his place on the student side of his imaginary statud quo, gawd, poor feller is becomig the subjecdt of discussion now, and hes probably too invested in this teachy thang to be enlightened by my far higher understanding. Feel's great dunnit? Yes, Actually he couldn't control his outburst anger on that day, Infact I was there to face that anger, I was actually noticing his increase of anger to the fullest level, By his act he was caught up exactly, So he couldn't say that he is in peace anymore and also he couldn't place himself in teacher's mode. So he started to paraded himself as holy man with a zen stick. He doesn't even have a courage to admit his mistake. The funny thing is, he is still proclaiming himself to be in untouched peace even after he has written the below paragraph. You are an an obnoxious, stupid, ignorant piece of sh!t who knows nothing and has no respect for anyone. You should be banned from this forum. It will be better off without you. The air will be clean again, for when you are present here, there is an unpleasant stink in the atmosphere. Your tone is totally unacceptable in a moderated forum. You will never change your ways so you must go. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way. You're an idiot and ever time I see you make an offensive remark, no matter to whom, I will insult you with greater and greater severity until you're account is deleted. Are you so stupid you don't even have a sense of hypocrisy. It does require some intelligence. You are offended by my remarks but fail to look in a mirror and apply these new found values of yours to your own posts. It's pathetic. You get greater satisfaction from trying to pull me down (don't worry it can't be done) than examining your own conscience. You have no regard for anyone's views on this forum. What's really intolerable is when peeps here like thurfore and theowhy ask you sensible polite questions, you still put them down, and all credit to them, they still don't retaliate. You however are oblivious to your own nasty disgusting behavior. You have to go. It's time to have some clean air around here. You would t know what peace is if it crawled up your backside. In fact you're head is so far up your as!hole you can practically see daylight. Ok, now you read thurfore reply here, Oh, c'mon, gopals... satchitananda is expressing a very great love here for you now. In this intimacy he is expressing- Emptiness is form. Form is emptiness. Do you see? This is the intimacy. He is saying- The rose is not a rose. That is why it is a real rose. Same thing with a piece of sh!t. Same thing. He is sharing in such a manner which is so kind. Do you see? He explained in so many words. No sh!t. No flower. So. That is a very great teaching. You must be very blessed to receive a teaching like that. How would you interpret this silver, I would like to know! The funny thing is, he is still saying that he is peace and arguing with people who are in peace and saying to them that they are not in peace, how funny it is! |
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