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Post by laughter on Jul 18, 2016 3:43:38 GMT -5
Now you're out and out lying because if you didn't recognize the structure you wouldn't have made mention of it.  As I didn't understand D/B at the time, I was awaiting you to explain it to me way-back but you GOT distracted. As to lying, is that an easy thing to do; Can it be Taught? Well you've admitted to generating a double-bind unconsciously. What do you think that might indicate about your state of mind? Seems I'm engaging a pathology here and I'm not really qualified to do that. Between this and your lie the whole mess is getting real uninteresting, real fast.  |
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Post by andrew on Jul 18, 2016 3:47:17 GMT -5
To say that he wasn't born isn't a problem to me, it's a typical non-dual statement, it's fine. In that instance, gopal and his parents would all be equally appearance, equally real, equally imaginary etc.
The problem that I see is that g-man marries the individual point of perception with the 'I' that is not born. Well yes, his parents have to be equally real or equally illusory . A peep that can only say he is real and perhaps his parents are not creates a muddled perception ..I find it slightly troubling that one cannot verify that he was brought into this world via physical birth .. Yes, there is a muddle in context. I think he sees Consciousness as perceiver/perception, and while I wouldn't disagree with that, I would not say that Consciousness is fundamentally perceiver/perception. There is a 'point' at which there is no perceiving/perception. But because he sees Consciousness as fundamentally perceiving, it creates an odd situation. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 3:51:36 GMT -5
"heh heh if you can't remember that you were born how will you remember that you gave up tomorrow? heh heh" You meant to say I have to remember infinite experiences If I be the ever existing one? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 3:56:25 GMT -5
To say that he wasn't born isn't a problem to me, it's a typical non-dual statement, it's fine. In that instance, gopal and his parents would all be equally appearance, equally real, equally imaginary etc.
The problem that I see is that g-man marries the individual point of perception with the 'I' that is not born. Well yes, his parents have to be equally real or equally illusory . A peep that can only say he is real and perhaps his parents are not creates a muddled perception .. I find it slightly troubling that one cannot verify that he was brought into this world via physical birth .. If you are the only one who is real, how could your parents has brought you into this world? |
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Post by tenka on Jul 18, 2016 3:59:52 GMT -5
That's why your theories don't hold up because you can't relate to how your theories work in actuality .. Again your throwing in the towel for the umpteenth time .. why do you hold onto a belief system that you can't sustain / uphold? I have seen the future, I have seen that I have explained infinite times and you have shown your ignorance all the time So I gave up. You are the best friend of Source. If you spent as much time actually answering questions instead of throwing in the towel and reciting my ignorance then you would have seen the flaws in your theory yonks ago .. although I know you already have .. I understand you are in an almost impossible position at this moment in time because you can't openly admit your theory is flawed .. |
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Post by tenka on Jul 18, 2016 4:02:24 GMT -5
Well yes, his parents have to be equally real or equally illusory . A peep that can only say he is real and perhaps his parents are not creates a muddled perception .. I find it slightly troubling that one cannot verify that he was brought into this world via physical birth .. If you are the only one who is real, how could your parents has brought you into this world? Stop saying IF man . 'If', isn't a matter of fact in regards to your coming into this world is it .. If you were a green two headed alien you might be having breakfast on mars, butt your not on mars are you? Count how many heads you have . You were actually brought into this physical world via child birth and there is no 'iff's' about it . |
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Post by laughter on Jul 18, 2016 4:08:47 GMT -5
"heh heh if you can't remember that you were born how will you remember that you gave up tomorrow? heh heh" You meant to say I have to remember infinite experiences If I be the ever existing one? Soooo much Doooofusness, so little time.  I've been glazing over on like 80% of the stuff in this thread for the last few months. When the scenarios and questions get that absurd all we can do is simply note the absurdity. The silly victory dances just make it all the more obvious. And look how none of them really agree on the premises that they're chasing you around with. One says "everything is thought" and he's teamed up with the "tame and kill mind by suppression-knot-thinking" guy. The other says "I might not exist", and he's teamed up with the one spouting "pinch yourself to prove your self-evidence and then that proves my self-evidence". It's the price you pay for daring not to join the mob angry with the evil frog and the dastardly clown. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 4:08:49 GMT -5
I have seen the future, I have seen that I have explained infinite times and you have shown your ignorance all the time So I gave up. You are the best friend of Source. If you spent as much time actually answering questions instead of throwing in the towel and reciting my ignorance then you would have seen the flaws in your theory yonks ago .. although I know you already have .. I understand you are in an almost impossible position at this moment in time because you can't openly admit your theory is flawed .. I have clearly explained everything to you, but you don't seems to be understanding anything, You continue to show your ignorance towards what I am saying. What can I do? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 4:09:44 GMT -5
You meant to say I have to remember infinite experiences If I be the ever existing one? Soooo much Doooofusness, so little time. I've been glazing over on like 80% of the stuff in this thread for the last few months. When the scenarios and questions get that absurd all we can do is simply note the absurdity. The silly victory dances just make it all the more obvious. And look how none of them really agree on the premises that they're chasing you around with. One says "everything is thought" and he's teamed up with the "tame and kill mind by suppression-knot-thinking" guy. The other says "I might not exist", and he's teamed up with the one spouting "pinch yourself to prove your self-evidence and then that proves my self-evidence". It's the price you pay for daring not to join the mob angry with the evil frog and the dastardly clown. True! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 4:10:41 GMT -5
If you are the only one who is real, how could your parents has brought you into this world? Stop saying IF man . 'If', isn't a matter of fact in regards to your coming into this world is it .. If you were a green two headed alien you might be having breakfast on mars, butt your not on mars are you? Count how many heads you have . You were actually brought into this physical world via child birth and there is no 'iff's' about it . If you are the only individual who is real, then who can brought you into this world? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 4:12:07 GMT -5
Thank you; neither am I. Yet both of us are NOT stupid and each have access to a tiny spark of intelligence within our pockets, even when we are NOT wearing clothing. Placing our lives on the line, we both get to speak with the Others Intelligence. NOT being real dosen't permit this to be the case,Wrong? I said that I can't know whether other individual is real or figment. I did not say other individuals are figments. You cannot know as you are in a place of fantasy, NOT reality. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 4:14:14 GMT -5
I said that I can't know whether other individual is real or figment. I did not say other individuals are figments. You cannot know as you are in a place of fantasy, NOT reality. What way the above statement is related to what I am saying? |
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Post by tenka on Jul 18, 2016 4:14:54 GMT -5
If you spent as much time actually answering questions instead of throwing in the towel and reciting my ignorance then you would have seen the flaws in your theory yonks ago .. although I know you already have .. I understand you are in an almost impossible position at this moment in time because you can't openly admit your theory is flawed .. I have clearly explained everything to you, but you don't seems to be understanding anything, You continue to show your ignorance towards what I am saying. What can I do? You haven't explained anything other than your belief system built upon 'iff's' Explain to me how you think you came to be in the physical world? |
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Post by tenka on Jul 18, 2016 4:16:31 GMT -5
Stop saying IF man . 'If', isn't a matter of fact in regards to your coming into this world is it .. If you were a green two headed alien you might be having breakfast on mars, butt your not on mars are you? Count how many heads you have . You were actually brought into this physical world via child birth and there is no 'iff's' about it . If you are the only individual who is real, then who can brought you into this world? It's not a matter of 'if' gopal is it .. Have you counted how many heads you have yet? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 4:16:32 GMT -5
As I didn't understand D/B at the time, I was awaiting you to explain it to me way-back but you GOT distracted. As to lying, is that an easy thing to do; Can it be Taught? Well you've admitted to generating a double-bind unconsciously. What do you think that might indicate about your state of mind? Seems I'm engaging a pathology here and I'm not really qualified to do that. Between this and your lie the whole mess is getting real uninteresting, real fast. How could I have admitted when I Am still awaiting your teaching of what a double bind may be. Youre not feeling doubly bound-up at present are you? Certainly NOTHING to do with me. Explain double bind so that I may come to your party. |
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I've been glazing over on like 80% of the stuff in this thread for the last few months. When the scenarios and questions get that absurd all we can do is simply note the absurdity. The silly victory dances just make it all the more obvious. And look how none of them really agree on the premises that they're chasing you around with. One says "everything is thought" and he's teamed up with the "tame and kill mind by suppression-knot-thinking" guy. The other says "I might not exist", and he's teamed up with the one spouting "pinch yourself to prove your self-evidence and then that proves my self-evidence".