|
|
Post by andrew on May 15, 2015 3:52:19 GMT -5
I've definitely seen there is no free will (on another forum I wrote hundreds, perhaps thousands, of messages arguing that there is no free will lol) but eventually it became unimportant to me whether we do, or don't, what became important was that we can act as if we do. Realizing the freewill is illusion and predestination gives you the power, because it gives you the feeling that nothing could happen unless it's ordain from above. I think I know the feeling you mean, it's just not very relevant to my experience. There's something else that sort of 'gets me through the day' these days. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 3:53:14 GMT -5
Anything you do to remove or gain something. Do you ever experience irritability? What do you do with that irritability when it arises? It comes and goes like everything in the phenomenological universe. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 3:53:44 GMT -5
Anything you do to remove or gain something. Do you ever experience irritability? What do you do with that irritability when it arises? Consciousness is not only the perceiver of your circumstance, but primary creator as well, so if creator would differ when you believe you can do something when you know you can't do anything. It would not create irritation if you know you can't do anything. Irritation doesn't even arise but unhappiness would surely be the part of life can't be avoided. |
|
|
|
Post by andrew on May 15, 2015 3:54:19 GMT -5
Does all the manifestation, or life, come to an end? What's the end point of the predetermination? Predestination or predetermination brings the purpose to the one who predestine this,Aren't you feeling so? I'm not sure you are understanding my question there, or maybe I'm not understanding you. I'm asking, if everything is predestined, do you know what the destiny is of life? Or is it undecided? Is destiny being made up as we go along? |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 3:55:17 GMT -5
Do you ever experience irritability? What do you do with that irritability when it arises? It comes and goes like everything in the phenomenological universe. No, irritation this is the label to suffering, this doesn't arises if you know you can't do anything, but unhappiness happens for sure. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 3:57:40 GMT -5
Predestination or predetermination brings the purpose to the one who predestine this,Aren't you feeling so? I'm not sure you are understanding my question there, or maybe I'm not understanding you. I'm asking, if everything is predestined, do you know what the destiny is of life? Or is it undecided? Is destiny being made up as we go along? No, I understood your question, we can't know what destiny is for life, that would be known to the one who has destined this, but we can only live moment to moment life. Is destiny being made up as we go along? No, it's already been decided. |
|
|
|
Post by andrew on May 15, 2015 3:57:56 GMT -5
Do you ever experience irritability? What do you do with that irritability when it arises? It comes and goes like everything in the phenomenological universe. Yes it does, but in the moment it arises, I'm wondering what the organism does to address it. For example, is it observed and allowed to pass? Or do you (or gopal) squeeze a stress ball and it's gone? I'm addressing what gopal said about removing (or gaining) stuff. I'm trying to find where that begins and ends, for example, if there is an itch, scratching it removes it, and I'm sure that's fine. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 3:58:09 GMT -5
Do you ever experience irritability? What do you do with that irritability when it arises? Consciousness is not only the perceiver of your circumstance, but primary creator as well, so if creator would differ when you believe you can do something when you know you can't do anything. It would not create irritation if you know you can't do anything. Irritation doesn't even arise but unhappiness would surely be the part of life can't be avoided. The momentary rising of a thought or feeling whether it be irritation, hunger, thirst, love etc has nothing to do with being free. |
|
|
|
Post by andrew on May 15, 2015 3:59:20 GMT -5
It comes and goes like everything in the phenomenological universe. No, irritation this is the label to suffering, this doesn't arises if you know you can't do anything, but unhappiness happens for sure. Okay, so when unhappiness arises, what do you do to address it? Listen to music? Go for a walk? Or perhaps notice that it's all ordained? Or something else? |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 4:00:27 GMT -5
No, irritation this is the label to suffering, this doesn't arises if you know you can't do anything, but unhappiness happens for sure. Okay, so when unhappiness arises, what do you do to address it? Listen to music? Go for a walk? Or perhaps notice that it's all ordained? Or something else? There is no such thing as unhappiness. There is only a disconnection from happiness which is your natural state. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 4:00:44 GMT -5
Have you read the book named 'power of now' by Tolle? he says that we could escape the suffering by concentrating on the present movement, But what I realized was, that's also another mind fantasy because it's exactly know where to end. I have always recommended practice and will never change my mind about that. You disapprove because you see practice as a temporary state created by mind. And that is true as a first step. But the second step is to go beyond that when you acquiesce in the silence prior to volitional thought. I am totally clear about this and will never feel challenged by those who say there is no practicer or how can you achieve what you already are and such nonsense. I am saying this practicer is there, but problem would be resolved only when this practiser dies. "But the second step is to go beyond that when you acquiesce in the silence prior to volitional thought." Your consciousness is always focus on appearances, so it can't go anywhere. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 4:01:50 GMT -5
I have always recommended practice and will never change my mind about that. You disapprove because you see practice as a temporary state created by mind. And that is true as a first step. But the second step is to go beyond that when you acquiesce in the silence prior to volitional thought. I am totally clear about this and will never feel challenged by those who say there is no practicer or how can you achieve what you already are and such nonsense. I am saying this practicer is there, but problem would be resolved only when this practiser dies. "But the second step is to go beyond that when you acquiesce in the silence prior to volitional thought." Your consciousness is always focus on appearances, so it can't go anywhere. Consciousness is both silent and dynamic. |
|
|
|
Post by tenka on May 15, 2015 4:02:38 GMT -5
Meditation to me means transcending thought. What do you achieve by concentrating on external phenomena. (Outer world) Have you read the book named 'power of now' by Tolle? he says that we could escape the suffering by concentrating on the present movement, But what I realized was, that's also another mind fantasy because it's exactly know where to end. Sounds like turning the t.v. over to another channel trying to escape the adverts but one still remains watching t.v. lols .. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 4:05:13 GMT -5
It comes and goes like everything in the phenomenological universe. Yes it does, but in the moment it arises, I'm wondering what the organism does to address it. For example, is it observed and allowed to pass? Or do you (or gopal) squeeze a stress ball and it's gone? I'm addressing what gopal said about removing (or gaining) stuff. I'm trying to find where that begins and ends, for example, if there is an itch, scratching it removes it, and I'm sure that's fine. No, it's being created by consciousness out of wrong belief that you could resolve the problem, so resolver would come into being. But the real problem is this resolver. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 4:06:19 GMT -5
Consciousness is not only the perceiver of your circumstance, but primary creator as well, so if creator would differ when you believe you can do something when you know you can't do anything. It would not create irritation if you know you can't do anything. Irritation doesn't even arise but unhappiness would surely be the part of life can't be avoided. The momentary rising of a thought or feeling whether it be irritation, hunger, thirst, love etc has nothing to do with being free. Hunger,thirst are not a problem, but irritation is the problem. As for as Love I have nothing to say, because Enigma speaks about some impersonal love which i haven't experienced in the way he portrayed. |
|
