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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2015 11:44:29 GMT -5
When I say God, I meant to say consciousness. Ok, Enjoy with your delusional thinking Why can't you control the imaginary people in your imagination, make them believe what you believe?.. I did not say they are figments, but I say they are figments or not can't be known.
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Post by jay17 on Apr 11, 2015 14:27:29 GMT -5
So you figgr if I had understood your desire to not be preached to, then obviously I wouldn't have preached. That seems a little naive. If it seems naive to you, then that is what it seems to you. It seems common sense logical to me that if i clearly expressed i have no interest in being preached to about Non Duality being absolute truth, that i clearly expressed i have examined and have yet to hear anyone provide evidence this philosophy\religion is absolute truth, then rational common sense people would simply refrain from preaching at me. You did not. You responded by taking on the posture of a preacher and stated... **Steps up to the preacher's pulpit** There is evidence, but you must learn how to see. **Walks briskly, but self righteously, toward the door** You have responded with your usual derogative preaching style...proclaiming there is evidence and claiming i have undeveloped sight as the reason i cannot see the alleged evidence. What's obvious is that I did the opposite, and as an added bonus, I used your own words (from your sig) to do it. I notice how you say "What's obvious...", and not "What's obvious to me..." I interpret this to mean, like laughter, you too are strongly convinced your perception is 100% clear and your conclusions\judgements\assessments\interpretations, are absolute truth. Last time i was here, i watched you back away from admitting you were wrong when you claimed your accusation about Silver was a fact. You may remember, because i repeatedly asked for evidence and you did not provide any. That's one reason why i do not engage in indepth lengthy discussions with you. Another reason is how you and i think is so far apart that you express it as, "I did the opposite". You and i are so vastly different that any chance of mutual understanding is extremely slim. You perceive you did not preach at me proclaiming Non Duality is absolute truth, i see you did. If you wish or need to believe you are right and i am wrong, i will not interfere with what you retain in your mindtank. "We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our thoughts we make our world." - Buddha Perhaps you have yet to experience the truths you hold so dear, are merely your own constructs. That's it's not the world, but merely your own unique world view.
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Post by jay17 on Apr 11, 2015 15:00:48 GMT -5
Since 2009 i feel at ease no matter where i am.Seems quite evident to me that laughter, via the OP challenge, desires yet again to prove someone's beliefs false and his non duality one, true. That's good. It sure sounds to me like you have some discomfort with 'preachers'. Everybody here offers their understandings and beliefs within their preferred paradigm, including you. You can call that preaching if you like, but notice that you're standing in line to step up to the pulpit too. If you're at ease with that, then there is no problem. Last time i had a chat with an actual preacher, i was not disturbed in the slightest. Just because a person has a personal preference to not engage in discussion with preachers does not automatically mean they are motivated by adverse sensations. I have never called that(bolded text), preaching. I see no logical reason to classify people who share their thoughts about a subject as 'preaching'. I label people as preachers and their style of communication as preaching, who are so devoted to a belief that they go on and on about it, constantly talking about it, proclaiming it to be absolute truth, directly or inferred, denigrating anything contrary to it, denigrating those that hold different beliefs, employing all manner of interaction techniques to force others to align themselves with their belief because the "preacher" is utterly convinced it's absolute truth. And like many fanatical religious types, they have a propensity to operate from a defense-offense posture\mindset. They feel threatened when someone either does not agree with them or the other shares alternative ideas, hence the reason why they talk so much about their beliefs, fearing it's losing top spot in the community, and expressing verbal attacks against other ideas and the people who express them. As for me stepping up to the pulpit, i infused Jesus' words of wisdom regarding this behavior a long time ago. While my peers in christianity were pro-actively proclaiming the "truths" about the Bible into the public arena, i recall what Jesus said to his disciples when he was training them. He said (paraphrased) "Go spread the good news about the kingdom of god, knock on people's doors, give them a brief intro about it all, then if they welcome you inside to discuss it further, joyfully do so with love and respect. If they express or you see they are not interested, wish them a good day, and leave them be and go to the next house." To the best of my ability, i respectfully communicate my thoughts, if a person is not interested, either they express this or i judge it, i simply leave them be. Seems a waste of time to continue talking to someone who is either not interested or severely closed off due to currently held beliefs.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2015 18:43:37 GMT -5
Are you thinking, 'Gosh it's mentally silent now'? No, but that thought or similar (or something different) often comes after a few seconds. May I ask what happened when you applied Enigma's advice, to ask the why question into the frame that birthed it?
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Post by earnest on Apr 11, 2015 19:15:23 GMT -5
No, but that thought or similar (or something different) often comes after a few seconds. May I ask what happened when you applied Enigma's advice, to ask the why question into the frame that birthed it? Yep, all good to ask/talk/explore. This question? "On the issue of 'why' questions, it can be very beneficial to ask yourself such question in the context of mind, especially if one is earnest." When I did/do that my head goes silent and there is feeling of increased weight/pressure/intensity of presence and proprioception etc goes up.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2015 19:43:29 GMT -5
May I ask what happened when you applied Enigma's advice, to ask the why question into the frame that birthed it? Yep, all good to ask/talk/explore. This question? "On the issue of 'why' questions, it can be very beneficial to ask yourself such question in the context of mind, especially if one is earnest." When I did/do that my head goes silent and there is feeling of increased weight/pressure/intensity of presence and proprioception etc goes up. Drop down further man.
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Post by laughter on Apr 11, 2015 19:48:05 GMT -5
Yep, all good to ask/talk/explore. This question? "On the issue of 'why' questions, it can be very beneficial to ask yourself such question in the context of mind, especially if one is earnest." When I did/do that my head goes silent and there is feeling of increased weight/pressure/intensity of presence and proprioception etc goes up. Drop down further man.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2015 20:04:05 GMT -5
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Post by silver on Apr 11, 2015 20:21:21 GMT -5
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Post by laughter on Apr 11, 2015 20:51:01 GMT -5
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Post by silver on Apr 11, 2015 21:04:33 GMT -5
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Post by laughter on Apr 11, 2015 21:11:43 GMT -5
There are two kinds of peeps in the world: peeps that divide peeps into two groups, and everyone else.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2015 21:33:15 GMT -5
There are two kinds of peeps in the world: peeps that divide peeps into two groups, and everyone else. It may only take one group, though that's enough to divide the world body.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2015 21:35:34 GMT -5
For at least the fourth time in this forum..
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Post by silver on Apr 11, 2015 21:47:04 GMT -5
There are two kinds of peeps in the world: peeps that divide peeps into two groups, and everyone else. When will you stop trying to teach stuff? It's annoying to those who already know everything. Seriously? That funny pic was...wait for it...fun! Light-hearted. Please get on the trolley, like soon. Lighten the eff up.
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