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Post by deepakgod on Jul 15, 2015 10:21:46 GMT -5
To know Jesus you can read scriptures but to know The Christ you have to go beyond your limited mind and learn to be in the Here and Now.
To become Christ is to have Christ-Consciousness and this is the Oneness with Existence or God that was meant by: I and my Father are One, if you can see or perceive this Oneness then you can see ME and the Fathet or God.
All the Masters teach us to go within which was also what Jesus did alone in the mountains so he could know his Chtisthood.
Jesus was in India, Tibet and Egypt among other places during the missing 18 years (12 to 30), He studied under different teachers and masters in the East so he knew Oneness not separation. All the words that suggest separation between man and God are not his words.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 10:54:59 GMT -5
To know Jesus you can read scriptures but to know The Christ you have to go beyond your limited mind and learn to be in the Here and Now. To become Christ is to have Christ-Consciousness and this is the Oneness with Existence or God that was meant by: I and my Father are One, if you can see or perceive this Oneness then you can see ME and the Fathet or God. All the Masters teach us to go within which was also what Jesus did alone in the mountains so he could know his Chtisthood. Jesus was in India, Tibet and Egypt among other places during the missing 18 years (12 to 30), He studied under different teachers and masters in the East so he knew Oneness not separation. All the words that suggest separation between man and God are not his words. What evidence back that up your claim? |
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Post by deepakgod on Jul 15, 2015 11:14:13 GMT -5
There are countless books and videos on this, just google it. When Jesus said the Kingdom of God is within, this is eastern teaching not Jewish.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 11:41:28 GMT -5
There are countless books and videos on this, just google it. When Jesus said the Kingdom of God is within, this is eastern teaching not Jewish. I don't need to read any unauthenticated books, I need the writings of rated scholar and who must be the contemporary of him or at least who must be living in first century. Please don't believe some rubbish writings, there are hell lot of books seems to be proclaiming the truth, but all are assumption, so refer the rated scholar somebody like 'Josephus' or very careful second century scholar 'Tacitus'. |
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Post by deepakgod on Jul 15, 2015 12:15:37 GMT -5
Why was Jesus against the scholars and learned people of his day and argued with them? They only know intellectually which is worth nothing. The authentic person is one who knows from within and has experienced for himself. Words don't have truth, because truth cannot be expressed in words only the silence between the words.
Writing books about a Jesus or a Buddha or a Mohammad is just second hand knowledge but an authentic writer will share his own knowledge based on his present perception and experience.
Did you notice the only time that Jesus quoted from the Old Testament was to add the words: BUT I SAY UNTO YOU...... Jesus was a rebellious Jew that is why he changed the old sayings with his own words.
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Post by jay17 on Jul 16, 2015 16:53:53 GMT -5
Why was Jesus against the scholars and learned people of his day and argued with them? They only know intellectually which is worth nothing. The authentic person is one who knows from within and has experienced for himself. Words don't have truth, because truth cannot be expressed in words only the silence between the words. Writing books about a Jesus or a Buddha or a Mohammad is just second hand knowledge but an authentic writer will share his own knowledge based on his present perception and experience. Did you notice the only time that Jesus quoted from the Old Testament was to add the words: BUT I SAY UNTO YOU...... Jesus was a rebellious Jew that is why he changed the old sayings with his own words. According to your reasoning, all you have said is falsity. |
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Post by deepakgod on Jul 16, 2015 22:32:46 GMT -5
If words were true then would not all of humanity be awakened? If words were true we would have only Christ's and Buddha's NOT Christians and Buddhist. This world would be advanced if words were true.
Words only indicate.the truth they can only be true for you when you KNOW not when you believe
When YOU are the truth and the life, not when you believe the words of someone else who has said it.
What you know is truth and what you read and believe as being true is false.
From J. Krisnurti: Truth is not to be had through books, through devotion or through self-immolation, but it is known when the mind is free, quiet; and that freedom, that quietness of the mind, comes only when the facts of its relationships are understood. Without understanding its relationships, whatever it does only creates further problems. But, when the mind is free from all its projections, there is a state of quietness in which problems cease; and then only, the timeless, the eternal, comes into being. Then truth is not a matter of knowledge, it is not a thing to be remembered, it is not something to be repeated, to be printed and spread abroad.
Truth is that which is; it is nameless. And so, the mind cannot approach it. Truth is that which is.
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Post by jay17 on Jul 18, 2015 17:41:47 GMT -5
If words were true then would not all of humanity be awakened? If words were true we would have only Christ's and Buddha's NOT Christians and Buddhist. This world would be advanced if words were true. Words only indicate.the truth they can only be true for you when you KNOW not when you believe When YOU are the truth and the life, not when you believe the words of someone else who has said it. What you know is truth and what you read and believe as being true is false. From J. Krisnurti: Truth is not to be had through books, through devotion or through self-immolation, but it is known when the mind is free, quiet; and that freedom, that quietness of the mind, comes only when the facts of its relationships are understood. Without understanding its relationships, whatever it does only creates further problems. But, when the mind is free from all its projections, there is a state of quietness in which problems cease; and then only, the timeless, the eternal, comes into being. Then truth is not a matter of knowledge, it is not a thing to be remembered, it is not something to be repeated, to be printed and spread abroad. Truth is that which is; it is nameless. And so, the mind cannot approach it. Truth is that which is. It's unclear to me why you continue to express what the truth of reality is via words when you said this... Words don't have truth, because truth cannot be expressed in words only the silence between the words. |
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Post by laughter on Jul 18, 2015 18:28:47 GMT -5
If words were true then would not all of humanity be awakened? If words were true we would have only Christ's and Buddha's NOT Christians and Buddhist. This world would be advanced if words were true. Words only indicate.the truth they can only be true for you when you KNOW not when you believe When YOU are the truth and the life, not when you believe the words of someone else who has said it. What you know is truth and what you read and believe as being true is false. From J. Krisnurti: Truth is not to be had through books, through devotion or through self-immolation, but it is known when the mind is free, quiet; and that freedom, that quietness of the mind, comes only when the facts of its relationships are understood. Without understanding its relationships, whatever it does only creates further problems. But, when the mind is free from all its projections, there is a state of quietness in which problems cease; and then only, the timeless, the eternal, comes into being. Then truth is not a matter of knowledge, it is not a thing to be remembered, it is not something to be repeated, to be printed and spread abroad. Truth is that which is; it is nameless. And so, the mind cannot approach it. Truth is that which is. It's unclear to me why you continue to express what the truth of reality is via words when you said this... Words don't have truth, because truth cannot be expressed in words only the silence between the words. Because sometimes someone can write or say something that points, with words, to the truth that can be found in the space between the words. This truth is not conceptual. |
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Post by deepakgod on Jul 19, 2015 12:27:33 GMT -5
Laughter, imagine if we did not use words, then this discussion forum would not exist and poor Jay17 would not have anything to worry about because everything would be clear......hehe
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Post by elgeeto on Jul 19, 2015 18:46:40 GMT -5
Sort of like scooby doo but with knowledge of eternity, a reflecting prismatic sunflower floats in the air like it was suspended in water. Absolute forgiveness, coyly dancing around people who need to feel guilty trying to infiltrate them as if total love were again like water pouring into seams and cracks of identity and ego. But that's really wrestling something fairgone to disaster and wreckage and horror, wisdom not changeing, retaining the stakes of the lowlilest blind person, in equality of worth. www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AoOa-Fz2kw |
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Post by laughter on Jul 20, 2015 15:27:06 GMT -5
Laughter, imagine if we did not use words, then this discussion forum would not exist and poor Jay17 would not have anything to worry about because everything would be clear......hehe Yes, clearly jay's worries are the result of our bad habits.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2015 8:27:09 GMT -5
Take a moment and pretend that you have a friend who has never heard of Jesus in any way, shape or form. How would you recommend that he/she learn who Jesus is ? In the most non-biased way.
Thank you in advance...
IMASEEKER  i never read the bible as a whole ,and not likely will, ever...nevertheless, some of His teaching seeped through into my life and was very profound, though at the same time i do not believe anybody calling himseld f a ´´christian´´ actulally lives this teaching i dont have the litteral text--but it is the one about the lilies in the fields, not to worry about tomorrow as tomorrow will take care of itself--or something in that vein-- i have no fear of death nor poverty--when the bank threatened to throw me out of my house, i never lost a second of sleep over it--if i need to be living in the streets, that´s what i´ll do, see what life throws at me there--somehow a ´´miracle´´ happened and the money arrived and i could stay in my house---a year or two later a similar situation occurred--living in the streets with my dog and guitar seemed the way to go---out of the blue i got given a beautiful house and land---and a monthly income no strings attached--- jesus had no posessions and never asked for anything back from those he served...healed... i believe his healings were a way to demonstrate the power of his teaching, to get attention... his death a demonstration that the love he received far outweighed anything a human could do to hurt him. |
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Post by ouroboros on Jul 22, 2015 15:27:42 GMT -5
Imo, Jesus is an apocryphal character conjured by wise men to serve as a literal embodiment of the path to liberation (from all suffering).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2015 15:39:01 GMT -5
Imo, Jesus is an apocryphal character conjured by wise men to serve as a literal embodiment of the path to liberation (from all suffering). that's what makes sense to me too. Have you seen this? www.earlychristianwritings.com/jesus/timothyfrekeandpetergandy.htmlMakes a lot of sense to me. Jesus may even have been a real guy who's infamy was a crystallization of pre-existing story. Kind of like Brian's fate in Life of Brian. |
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