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Post by silver on Dec 17, 2014 22:43:02 GMT -5
You'll just continue wondering until you decide on a reason, assuming you haven't already, because no matter how many times it's explained to you, you pay no attention. Zackly, that's a distinct Fingandtzusil feature. I believe you when you say there's something to this, but perhaps it's your pointing or teaching or imparting that fails to explain in a way I can understand more completely. I don't doubt there is something to it, since a lot of what you say corresponds with what is said about Buddhism. The difference that throws me for a loop, is the fact that Buddha was calm, loving, intelligent - it's the combo - not that you aren't intelligent or even loving...your manner and habits are far from calm -- *shrug* -- maybe the biggest difference is that it seems your particular brand of non-dualism allows for throwing people off with hostilities and strong sarcasm and mockery. I wouldn't choose that 'brand' in a million years.
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Post by Reefs on Dec 17, 2014 23:42:11 GMT -5
Zackly, that's a distinct Fingandtzusil feature. I believe you when you say there's something to this, but perhaps it's your pointing or teaching or imparting that fails to explain in a way I can understand more completely. I don't doubt there is something to it, since a lot of what you say corresponds with what is said about Buddhism. The difference that throws me for a loop, is the fact that Buddha was calm, loving, intelligent - it's the combo - not that you aren't intelligent or even loving...your manner and habits are far from calm -- *shrug* -- maybe the biggest difference is that it seems your particular brand of non-dualism allows for throwing people off with hostilities and strong sarcasm and mockery. I wouldn't choose that 'brand' in a million years. Are you just here to hurl insults? What you know about the Buddha is definitely not a 'fact'. It's hearsay at best and what you've said there smells like Katie trap.
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Post by silver on Dec 17, 2014 23:44:25 GMT -5
I believe you when you say there's something to this, but perhaps it's your pointing or teaching or imparting that fails to explain in a way I can understand more completely. I don't doubt there is something to it, since a lot of what you say corresponds with what is said about Buddhism. The difference that throws me for a loop, is the fact that Buddha was calm, loving, intelligent - it's the combo - not that you aren't intelligent or even loving...your manner and habits are far from calm -- *shrug* -- maybe the biggest difference is that it seems your particular brand of non-dualism allows for throwing people off with hostilities and strong sarcasm and mockery. I wouldn't choose that 'brand' in a million years. Are you just here to hurl insults? What you know about the Buddha is definitely not a 'fact'. It's hearsay at best and what you've said there smells like Katie trap. Do you mean to tell me that any of that you consider insulting to you? I have no idea what a 'Katie trap' is.
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Post by Reefs on Dec 18, 2014 0:08:24 GMT -5
Are you just here to hurl insults? What you know about the Buddha is definitely not a 'fact'. It's hearsay at best and what you've said there smells like Katie trap. Do you mean to tell me that any of that you consider insulting to you? I have no idea what a 'Katie trap' is. Can you seriously be that unconscious again? Read the dialog again, starting with your snipe-in. If you want to be taken seriously and treated like an adult, then you have to act like an adult, which means you have to take responsibility for your own nastiness and let go of the game playing first. And when you've done that, we can go to step one, actually reading what has actually been written. If you should master that, then we can go on with step 2, discussing what has actually been written. It's a very simple procedure. The Katie trap is the erroneous belief that enlightened beings continuously live at the outer edges of joy, smile all day and never have/feel a negative feeling ever again.
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Post by silver on Dec 18, 2014 0:08:35 GMT -5
I believe you when you say there's something to this, but perhaps it's your pointing or teaching or imparting that fails to explain in a way I can understand more completely. I don't doubt there is something to it, since a lot of what you say corresponds with what is said about Buddhism. The difference that throws me for a loop, is the fact that Buddha was calm, loving, intelligent - it's the combo - not that you aren't intelligent or even loving...your manner and habits are far from calm -- *shrug* -- maybe the biggest difference is that it seems your particular brand of non-dualism allows for throwing people off with hostilities and strong sarcasm and mockery. I wouldn't choose that 'brand' in a million years. Are you just here to hurl insults? What you know about the Buddha is definitely not a 'fact'. It's hearsay at best and what you've said there smells like Katie trap. Why is it okay for you to insult me, but I'm not supposed to 'insult' you - you in essence call me a liar - all I can do is read and study about what history says about the Buddha and it's all that anyone can do. I am basing my information mostly on the book that I've been mentioning, by Thich Hanh, Old Path White Clouds plus whatever I pick up from some other books and a couple of forums that I visit.
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Post by silver on Dec 18, 2014 0:15:37 GMT -5
Do you mean to tell me that any of that you consider insulting to you? I have no idea what a 'Katie trap' is. Can you seriously be that unconscious again? Read the dialog again, starting with your snipe-in. If you want to be taken seriously and treated like an adult, then you have to act like an adult, which means you have to take responsibility for your own nastiness and let go of the game playing first. And when you've done that, we can go to step one, actually reading what has actually been written. If you should master that, then we can go on with step 2, discussing what has actually been written. It's a very simple procedure. The Katie trap is the erroneous belief that enlightened beings continuously live at the outer edges of joy, smile all day and never have/feel a negative feeling ever again. I'm not going to play your game anymore, of diving back into old posts. I'm not gonna play with words. I have very simple questions and if all you guys can do is twist them into pretzels, then I'm not interested. Oh. So that's what a Katie trap is, huh? Do you really think I'm like that? Please. I'm very surprised that you now so little about Buddhism, to be honest. Just think: Buddhism = Middle Way - *shrug* - If you don't want to know more about the Buddha and Buddhism, like whatever, man.
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Post by Reefs on Dec 18, 2014 0:20:25 GMT -5
Are you just here to hurl insults? What you know about the Buddha is definitely not a 'fact'. It's hearsay at best and what you've said there smells like Katie trap. Why is it okay for you to insult me, but I'm not supposed to 'insult' you - you in essence call me a liar - all I can do is read and study about what history says about the Buddha and it's all that anyone can do. I am basing my information mostly on the book that I've been mentioning, by Thich Hanh, Old Path White Clouds plus whatever I pick up from some other books and a couple of forums that I visit. I suspect you are confusing self-inquiry with naval-gazing. By your own admission, you are a very sick individual. As you've told us, you've just had major surgery and you are also still trying to recover from a major psychological trauma from a few years ago. You tell us that you are very much in pain. So, that's basically the lens thru which you are looking at this and its members. Given that, saying that your perception of WIBIGO is a little warped most of the time would actually be an understatement. You are just not ready for non-duality yet.
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Post by Reefs on Dec 18, 2014 0:24:16 GMT -5
Can you seriously be that unconscious again? Read the dialog again, starting with your snipe-in. If you want to be taken seriously and treated like an adult, then you have to act like an adult, which means you have to take responsibility for your own nastiness and let go of the game playing first. And when you've done that, we can go to step one, actually reading what has actually been written. If you should master that, then we can go on with step 2, discussing what has actually been written. It's a very simple procedure. The Katie trap is the erroneous belief that enlightened beings continuously live at the outer edges of joy, smile all day and never have/feel a negative feeling ever again. I'm not going to play your game anymore, of diving back into old posts. I'm not gonna play with words. I have very simple questions and if all you guys can do is twist them into pretzels, then I'm not interested. Oh. So that's what a Katie trap is, huh? Do you really think I'm like that? Please. I'm very surprised that you now so little about Buddhism, to be honest. Just think: Buddhism = Middle Way - *shrug* - If you don't want to know more about the Buddha and Buddhism, like whatever, man. Yeah, whatever.
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Post by silver on Dec 18, 2014 0:32:35 GMT -5
Why is it okay for you to insult me, but I'm not supposed to 'insult' you - you in essence call me a liar - all I can do is read and study about what history says about the Buddha and it's all that anyone can do. I am basing my information mostly on the book that I've been mentioning, by Thich Hanh, Old Path White Clouds plus whatever I pick up from some other books and a couple of forums that I visit. I suspect you are confusing self-inquiry with naval-gazing. By your own admission, you are a very sick individual. As you've told us, you've just had major surgery and you are also still trying to recover from a major psychological trauma from a few years ago. You tell us that you are very much in pain. So, that's basically the lens thru which you are looking at this and its members. Given that, saying that your perception of WIBIGO is a little warped most of the time would actually be an understatement. You are just not ready for non-duality yet. Oh, so you can say someone's a 'naval-gazer' and not bat an eye that you've just insulted someone and looked down your nose at them? Interesting, Reefs. Yes, I was in the hospital for major surgery, um I don't recall what this major psychological trauma was -- I've had one or two biggies in my whole life, yeah there's that -- and the pain both physical and psychic / emotional is slowly but surely improving - but I would never pre-judge anyone and say they're views are all screwed up because of it. Any person interested in accuracy in making what judgment calls they feel they need to make in life, wouldn't throw out the baby with the bath water and say THAT person is all messed up because of illness or that they're elderly or they're too young -- I mean gee, Reefs, where does it stop with you? Is everybody but you, E & L a bunch of unintelligent sorts or what?
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Post by Reefs on Dec 18, 2014 0:43:50 GMT -5
I suspect you are confusing self-inquiry with naval-gazing. By your own admission, you are a very sick individual. As you've told us, you've just had major surgery and you are also still trying to recover from a major psychological trauma from a few years ago. You tell us that you are very much in pain. So, that's basically the lens thru which you are looking at this and its members. Given that, saying that your perception of WIBIGO is a little warped most of the time would actually be an understatement. You are just not ready for non-duality yet. Oh, so you can say someone's a 'naval-gazer' and not bat an eye that you've just insulted someone and looked down your nose at them? Interesting, Reefs. Yes, I was in the hospital for major surgery, um I don't recall what this major psychological trauma was -- I've had one or two biggies in my whole life, yeah there's that -- and the pain both physical and psychic / emotional is slowly but surely improving - but I would never pre-judge anyone and say they're views are all screwed up because of it. Any person interested in accuracy in making what judgment calls they feel they need to make in life, wouldn't throw out the baby with the bath water and say THAT person is all fvcked up because of illness or that they're elderly or they're too young -- I mean gee, Reefs, where does it stop with you? Is everybody but you, E & L a bunch of fvcktards or what? You are just making my point again that you are not ready for non-duality yet. You have to get a grip on you other physical and mental hiccups first. And I'm afraid that this forum in particular doesn't become you, like, at all.
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Post by silver on Dec 18, 2014 0:45:34 GMT -5
Oh, so you can say someone's a 'naval-gazer' and not bat an eye that you've just insulted someone and looked down your nose at them? Interesting, Reefs. Yes, I was in the hospital for major surgery, um I don't recall what this major psychological trauma was -- I've had one or two biggies in my whole life, yeah there's that -- and the pain both physical and psychic / emotional is slowly but surely improving - but I would never pre-judge anyone and say they're views are all screwed up because of it. Any person interested in accuracy in making what judgment calls they feel they need to make in life, wouldn't throw out the baby with the bath water and say THAT person is all fvcked up because of illness or that they're elderly or they're too young -- I mean gee, Reefs, where does it stop with you? Is everybody but you, E & L a bunch of fvcktards or what? You are just making my point again that you are not ready for non-duality yet. You have to get a grip on you other physical and mental hiccups first. And I'm afraid that this forum in particular doesn't become you, like, at all. Are we not supposed to use the f word here on the UM? I'm sorry, I was unaware of that rule.
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Post by silver on Dec 18, 2014 0:47:22 GMT -5
I suspect you are confusing self-inquiry with naval-gazing. By your own admission, you are a very sick individual. As you've told us, you've just had major surgery and you are also still trying to recover from a major psychological trauma from a few years ago. You tell us that you are very much in pain. So, that's basically the lens thru which you are looking at this and its members. Given that, saying that your perception of WIBIGO is a little warped most of the time would actually be an understatement. You are just not ready for non-duality yet. Oh, so you can say someone's a 'naval-gazer' and not bat an eye that you've just insulted someone and looked down your nose at them? Interesting, Reefs. Yes, I was in the hospital for major surgery, um I don't recall what this major psychological trauma was -- I've had one or two biggies in my whole life, yeah there's that -- and the pain both physical and psychic / emotional is slowly but surely improving - but I would never pre-judge anyone and say they're views are all screwed up because of it. Any person interested in accuracy in making what judgment calls they feel they need to make in life, wouldn't throw out the baby with the bath water and say THAT person is all messed up because of illness or that they're elderly or they're too young -- I mean gee, Reefs, where does it stop with you? Is everybody but you, E & L a bunch of unintelligent sorts or what? There, I fixed it for you.
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Post by silver on Dec 18, 2014 0:58:37 GMT -5
Oh, so you can say someone's a 'naval-gazer' and not bat an eye that you've just insulted someone and looked down your nose at them? Interesting, Reefs. Yes, I was in the hospital for major surgery, um I don't recall what this major psychological trauma was -- I've had one or two biggies in my whole life, yeah there's that -- and the pain both physical and psychic / emotional is slowly but surely improving - but I would never pre-judge anyone and say they're views are all screwed up because of it. Any person interested in accuracy in making what judgment calls they feel they need to make in life, wouldn't throw out the baby with the bath water and say THAT person is all screwed up because of illness or that they're elderly or they're too young -- I mean gee, Reefs, where does it stop with you? Is everybody but you, E & L a bunch of unintelligent sorts or what? You are just making my point again that you are not ready for non-duality yet. You have to get a grip on you other physical and mental hiccups first. And I'm afraid that this forum in particular doesn't become you, like, at all. If you embody the whole forum, then *shrug* maybe I'd agree, but you're not.
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Post by enigma on Dec 18, 2014 1:56:29 GMT -5
Are you just here to hurl insults? What you know about the Buddha is definitely not a 'fact'. It's hearsay at best and what you've said there smells like Katie trap. Do you mean to tell me that any of that you consider insulting to you? I have no idea what a 'Katie trap' is. You don't see the insult here?
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Post by silver on Dec 18, 2014 4:32:12 GMT -5
Do you mean to tell me that any of that you consider insulting to you? I have no idea what a 'Katie trap' is. You don't see the insult here? What the divil is it with you two? You insult people all day long, up one side and down the other. I'm bemused at what you seem to consider 'insulting' in what I'm saying. I think it's just a rather unartful dodge. You spend every bit of energy you have on psychoanalyzing others, but leap tall buildings in a single bound when others ask you those kinds of questions -- I guess, because you seem to think everything is a question like that, which is weird - very weird. I can't figure it out, but I don't want to be on your dissection table, either. Leave me alone, Superfrog.
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