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Post by silver on Jun 25, 2013 22:45:32 GMT -5
How is what Top is suggesting significantly different from the idea of using ignore buttons? Do we really have to change the entire forum structure just because Top refuses to grow up? Making use of the ignore buttons is much simpler and more effective. Top's approach will only may create more chaos. It will result in over-regulation. So many questions that have to be considered first: How far can one go in the kids section? When does the adult stuff start? Is someone banned in the kids section still allowed to post in the adult section? There has to be a long list of dos and donts put into place in the kids section. Looks like a lot of work for one mod. Many good points there.
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Post by topology on Jun 25, 2013 23:29:09 GMT -5
How is what Top is suggesting significantly different from the idea of using ignore buttons? Do we really have to change the entire forum structure just because Top refuses to grow up? Making use of the ignore buttons is much simpler and more effective. Top's approach will only create more chaos. It will result in over-regulation. So many questions that have to be considered first: How far can one go in the kids section? When does the adult stuff start? Is someone banned in the kids section still allowed to post in the adult section? There has to be a long list of dos and donts put into place in the kids section. Looks like a lot of work for one mod. What is the complaining for Reefs, it's not like you are having to do the work of the moderator. The mod apparently thinks an idea worth trying out. It's wonderful how you frame things in terms of maturity where the people you have a problem with are placed in a lowly position on the scale.
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Post by Reefs on Jun 25, 2013 23:43:50 GMT -5
How is what Top is suggesting significantly different from the idea of using ignore buttons? Do we really have to change the entire forum structure just because Top refuses to grow up? Making use of the ignore buttons is much simpler and more effective. Top's approach will only create more chaos. It will result in over-regulation. So many questions that have to be considered first: How far can one go in the kids section? When does the adult stuff start? Is someone banned in the kids section still allowed to post in the adult section? There has to be a long list of dos and donts put into place in the kids section. Looks like a lot of work for one mod. What is the complaining for Reefs, it's not like you are having to do the work of the moderator. The mod apparently thinks an idea worth trying out. It's wonderful how you frame things in terms of maturity where the people you have a problem with are placed in a lowly position on the scale. I see only you and Silver having a problem here. You both are following me and Enigma around since almost a year because you don't like how we say the things we say. I'd say the best solution is that you 2 just make an effort to finally grow up and learn how to use the ignore buttons. And nothing needs to be changed. Very simple.
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Post by Beingist on Jun 25, 2013 23:48:21 GMT -5
What is the complaining for Reefs, it's not like you are having to do the work of the moderator. The mod apparently thinks an idea worth trying out. It's wonderful how you frame things in terms of maturity where the people you have a problem with are placed in a lowly position on the scale. I see only you and Silver having a problem here. You both are following me and Enigma around since almost a year because you don't like how we say the things we say. I'd say the best solution is that you 2 just make an effort to finally grow up and learn how to use the ignore buttons. And nothing needs to be changed. Very simple. Gotta admit, ignoring you has been pretty nice.
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Post by topology on Jun 25, 2013 23:52:22 GMT -5
What is the complaining for Reefs, it's not like you are having to do the work of the moderator. The mod apparently thinks an idea worth trying out. It's wonderful how you frame things in terms of maturity where the people you have a problem with are placed in a lowly position on the scale. I see only you and Silver having a problem here. You both are following me and Enigma around since almost a year because you don't like how we say the things we say. I'd say the best solution is that you 2 just make an effort to finally grow up and learn how to use the ignore buttons. And nothing needs to be changed. Very simple. *sigh* If your idea of maturity and growing up is to use the ignore button because you can't handle experiencing someone else's output, then we definitely don't share the same understanding of what it means to grow up. Go ahead and put me back on ignore so you can go back to a drama free, mature, serene experience.
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Post by Reefs on Jun 26, 2013 0:00:44 GMT -5
I see only you and Silver having a problem here. You both are following me and Enigma around since almost a year because you don't like how we say the things we say. I'd say the best solution is that you 2 just make an effort to finally grow up and learn how to use the ignore buttons. And nothing needs to be changed. Very simple. *sigh* If your idea of maturity and growing up is to use the ignore button because you can't handle experiencing someone else's output, then we definitely don't share the same understanding of what it means to grow up. Go ahead and put me back on ignore so you can go back to a drama free, mature, serene experience. Well, you want to put me and Enigma into quarantine because you can't handle the experience. Can you see your projection? Your approach of trying to understand everyone and everything is flawed right from the start. You will end in confusion and after reading ALL posts of ALL members ALL day EVERY day your own posts will be mindless drivel. Your approach is the police state approach. For the sake of protecting a handful of feeble ones you will censor the entire country and turn everyone into a potential terrorist. That's loco. Maturity means self-regulation, not big brother intervention. That you want to rely on outside structures only shows your lack of trust in things being able to work itself out.
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Post by silver on Jun 26, 2013 0:09:59 GMT -5
*sigh* If your idea of maturity and growing up is to use the ignore button because you can't handle experiencing someone else's output, then we definitely don't share the same understanding of what it means to grow up. Go ahead and put me back on ignore so you can go back to a drama free, mature, serene experience. Well, you want to put me and Enigma into quarantine because you can't handle the experience. Can you see your projection? Your approach of trying to understand everyone and everything is flawed right from the start. You will end in confusion and after reading ALL posts of ALL members ALL day EVERY day your own posts will be mindless drivel. Your approach is the police state approach. For the sake of protecting a handful of feeble ones you will censor the entire country and turn everyone into a potential terrorist. That's loco. Maturity means self-regulation, not big brother intervention. That you want to rely on outside structures only shows your lack of trust. The question you are unwilling to answer honestly for whatever reason is who is following who around. You keep coming at people and I don't know and don't care what kind of psychemelogical motives you have. I've yet to use the word that at least a handful have used to describe your and E's interactions with others - Ugly. I haven't used that word but I understand their sentiment. And I disagree about your saying that Top wants to put you in quarantine (although the thought does make me smile). For you own purposes of manipulation, you exaggerate - I think people are speaking out because of all the truth-bending you two do - for that purpose, you can be subtle and together with the exaggerations, you 'win' - by discouraging people from fighting back / going toe to toe with you. If it gives you pride in having won an argument, that's pretty doggone sorry.
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Post by topology on Jun 26, 2013 0:58:20 GMT -5
*sigh* If your idea of maturity and growing up is to use the ignore button because you can't handle experiencing someone else's output, then we definitely don't share the same understanding of what it means to grow up. Go ahead and put me back on ignore so you can go back to a drama free, mature, serene experience. Well, you want to put me and Enigma into quarantine because you can't handle the experience. Can you see your projection? Your approach of trying to understand everyone and everything is flawed right from the start. You will end in confusion and after reading ALL posts of ALL members ALL day EVERY day your own posts will be mindless drivel. Your approach is the police state approach. For the sake of protecting a handful of feeble ones you will censor the entire country and turn everyone into a potential terrorist. That's loco. Maturity means self-regulation, not big brother intervention. That you want to rely on outside structures only shows your lack of trust in things being able to work itself out. Do you hear yourself? And you call me dramatic? I think you need to go back and read the post I made in response to Enigma where I provided a two point explanation of what I was doing. Go chew on that bone for a while and come back when you've digested it. Most of where I am coming from is trying to accurately represent Steve and Beingists' complaint. I personally am not trying to shut the two of you up. I am not asking for either of you to be banned. If anything I've tried to explain the inherent miscommunication and misunderstanding which explains why the personally identified react so negatively to the impersonal. Let me start speaking on a channel you might be able to hear me on. You've got your panties in a wad because I was clarifying someone else's argument. I don't want to ban you or Enigma. My proposal for splitting the forum into moderated versus unmoderated is an attempt at finding a reconciliation between the inherent conflict between the impersonal and the personal. The personal wants room to be personal, so my proposal is to give them what they want so they can settle down and any straying into the land of the impersonal is done knowingly and with consent, effectively robbing them of their grounds for complaining. My proposal is geared towards there being less drama. I'm actually doing something to address the drama and all you are doing is complaining about it and making more of it. Your narrow sightedness just sees me making more drama in your perception, but all I did was distill the drama that was already there into something coherent enough to cause the mod to act on it. Now we're exploring possible solutions instead of riding the same merry go round over and over again, praying for different results while changing nothing about the dynamic.
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Post by Reefs on Jun 26, 2013 1:27:57 GMT -5
Well, you want to put me and Enigma into quarantine because you can't handle the experience. Can you see your projection? Your approach of trying to understand everyone and everything is flawed right from the start. You will end in confusion and after reading ALL posts of ALL members ALL day EVERY day your own posts will be mindless drivel. Your approach is the police state approach. For the sake of protecting a handful of feeble ones you will censor the entire country and turn everyone into a potential terrorist. That's loco. Maturity means self-regulation, not big brother intervention. That you want to rely on outside structures only shows your lack of trust in things being able to work itself out. Do you hear yourself? And you call me dramatic? I think you need to go back and read the post I made in response to Enigma where I provided a two point explanation of what I was doing. Go chew on that bone for a while and come back when you've digested it. Most of where I am coming from is trying to accurately represent Steve and Beingists' complaint. I personally am not trying to shut the two of you up. I am not asking for either of you to be banned. If anything I've tried to explain the inherent miscommunication and misunderstanding which explains why the personally identified react so negatively to the impersonal. Let me start speaking on a channel you might be able to hear me on. You've got your panties in a wad because I was clarifying someone else's argument. I don't want to ban you or Enigma. My proposal for splitting the forum into moderated versus unmoderated is an attempt at finding a reconciliation between the inherent conflict between the impersonal and the personal. The personal wants room to be personal, so my proposal is to give them what they want so they can settle down and any straying into the land of the impersonal is done knowingly and with consent, effectively robbing them of their grounds for complaining. My proposal is geared towards there being less drama. I'm actually doing something to address the drama and all you are doing is complaining about it and making more of it. Your narrow sightedness just sees me making more drama in your perception, but all I did was distill the drama that was already there into something coherent enough to cause the mod to act on it. Now we're exploring possible solutions instead of riding the same merry go round over and over again, praying for different results while changing nothing about the dynamic. In theory, nice approach, but still childish. Still the old victim/villain mentality behind it. Just look at the result. How many threads, how many polls, how many posts do we spend talking about how we should behave when talking about spiritual matters instead of just talking about spiritual matters? 99% is about forum politics now because you are following and trying to implement some strange ideal of everyone having to get along with each other. Can't you see the obvious? I'd say you are totally lost in your helper role. Personal and impersonal are not at odds at all. It's the projections folks bring into the discussions that are odd. So, what are you going to do now? More discussion to get everyone to agree with your idea? Then a poll again with more discussion if you don't get the desired result? When are you going to just talk about spiritual matters? Edit: I'll just watch from now on and then we will see.
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Post by silver on Jun 26, 2013 1:48:59 GMT -5
Do you hear yourself? And you call me dramatic? I think you need to go back and read the post I made in response to Enigma where I provided a two point explanation of what I was doing. Go chew on that bone for a while and come back when you've digested it. Most of where I am coming from is trying to accurately represent Steve and Beingists' complaint. I personally am not trying to shut the two of you up. I am not asking for either of you to be banned. If anything I've tried to explain the inherent miscommunication and misunderstanding which explains why the personally identified react so negatively to the impersonal. Let me start speaking on a channel you might be able to hear me on. You've got your panties in a wad because I was clarifying someone else's argument. I don't want to ban you or Enigma. My proposal for splitting the forum into moderated versus unmoderated is an attempt at finding a reconciliation between the inherent conflict between the impersonal and the personal. The personal wants room to be personal, so my proposal is to give them what they want so they can settle down and any straying into the land of the impersonal is done knowingly and with consent, effectively robbing them of their grounds for complaining. My proposal is geared towards there being less drama. I'm actually doing something to address the drama and all you are doing is complaining about it and making more of it. Your narrow sightedness just sees me making more drama in your perception, but all I did was distill the drama that was already there into something coherent enough to cause the mod to act on it. Now we're exploring possible solutions instead of riding the same merry go round over and over again, praying for different results while changing nothing about the dynamic. In theory, nice approach, but still childish. Still the old victim/villain mentality behind it. Just look at the result. How many threads, how many polls, how many posts do we spend talking about how we should behave when talking about spiritual matters instead of just talking about spiritual matters? 99% is about forum politics now because you are following and trying to implement some strange ideal of everyone having to get along with each other. Can't you see the obvious? I'd say you are totally lost in your helper role. Personal and impersonal are not at odds at all. It's the projections folks bring into the discussions that are odd. So, what are you going to do now? More discussion to get everyone to agree with your idea? Then a poll again with more discussion if you don't get the desired result? When are you going to just talk about spiritual matters? Edit: I'll just watch from now on and then we will see. If all you cared to do was round up peeps to talk spiritual stuff, you shouldn't run them down like a tank while you're doing it.
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Post by Reefs on Jun 26, 2013 2:04:37 GMT -5
In theory, nice approach, but still childish. Still the old victim/villain mentality behind it. Just look at the result. How many threads, how many polls, how many posts do we spend talking about how we should behave when talking about spiritual matters instead of just talking about spiritual matters? 99% is about forum politics now because you are following and trying to implement some strange ideal of everyone having to get along with each other. Can't you see the obvious? I'd say you are totally lost in your helper role. Personal and impersonal are not at odds at all. It's the projections folks bring into the discussions that are odd. So, what are you going to do now? More discussion to get everyone to agree with your idea? Then a poll again with more discussion if you don't get the desired result? When are you going to just talk about spiritual matters? Edit: I'll just watch from now on and then we will see. If all you cared to do was round up peeps to talk spiritual stuff, you shouldn't run them down like a tank while you're doing it. Look at this reply from Silver, Top. Did there anything change? Isn't that the same old mentality from a year ago? Look at the result of your efforts for effective communication and making everyone understand each other better. Your approach is not working. You are failing miserably.
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Post by andrew on Jun 26, 2013 2:11:05 GMT -5
I would expect that section to be much more free from mockery and condescension, and much less 'making things personal' (which is ironic really given that its more those that talk of 'the impersonal' that seem to me to 'make it personal'). Spiritual forums.com gets the balance right IMO and there is plenty of authentic expression there.I don't see managing a movement of aggression that arises to be necessarily more inauthentic than allowing a free flow of aggression. I think one of the problems with the forum currently is that the free flow of aggression often goes unchecked and is justified as 'clarity' or 'impersonal' or some thing like that. Having said that, I am happy to go on the other section too. Then why aren't you posting on SF then? don't know really, been there done it I guess.
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Post by amit on Jun 26, 2013 2:11:08 GMT -5
Hi amit, I share those concerns but may still be worth a try. I'll leave it to those who know more about whether its workable. amit Hi max, Is this what nondual realizers do, address everyone as themselves? max Hi max, Sorry. My eyes are improving as a result of an amazing recent operation. Need the same thing on my brain:) amit
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Post by andrew on Jun 26, 2013 2:13:18 GMT -5
I would expect that section to be much more free from mockery and condescension, and much less 'making things personal' (which is ironic really given that its more those that talk of 'the impersonal' that seem to me to 'make it personal'). Spiritual forums.com gets the balance right IMO and there is plenty of authentic expression there. I don't see managing a movement of aggression that arises to be necessarily more inauthentic than allowing a free flow of aggression. I think one of the problems with the forum currently is that the free flow of aggression often goes unchecked and is justified as 'clarity' or 'impersonal' or some thing like that. Having said that, I am happy to go on the other section too. Andrew do you call peeps azzholes, authentically, at SF? I'm wondering. That would make it a more interesting place for me to check out. I've looked over there before and it just didn't draw me in. haha no, its not that kind of party there. Its stricter there but there is still authentic expression. My point was that authenticity doesn't necessarily equate to mockery etc.
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Post by silver on Jun 26, 2013 2:42:53 GMT -5
If all you cared to do was round up peeps to talk spiritual stuff, you shouldn't run them down like a tank while you're doing it. Look at this reply from Silver, Top. Did there anything change? Isn't that the same old mentality from a year ago? Look at the result of your efforts for effective communication and making everyone understand each other better. Your approach is not working. You are failing miserably. Ha ha, you haven't changed a bit, either - well, not for long - but I'm not the one who's the subject of many a thread/poll. Btw, saying things like "You are failing miserably" is very funny because it's so melo dramatic.
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