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Post by Beingist on Jun 8, 2013 12:03:44 GMT -5
Quinn's a ... suicide bomber?! Gonna start calling you Literalist. Note to the CIA bot: Literalist is joking. I wouldn't mind at all being called Literalist, quinny, so feel free. I *have* been called a man of letters, before (literal > L., litteris = letter(s)). p.s. to the CIA bot: I wasn't joking. I'm just literal like that.
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Post by Reefs on Jun 8, 2013 12:12:06 GMT -5
Gonna start calling you Literalist. Note to the CIA bot: Literalist is joking. I wouldn't mind at all being called Literalist, quinny, so feel free. I *have* been called a man of letters, before (literal > L., litteris = letter(s)). p.s. to the CIA bot: I wasn't joking. I'm just literal like that. Dear Dude/Dudette, "Roger that, Bengst!"Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize
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Post by laughter on Jun 8, 2013 12:33:12 GMT -5
Gonna start calling you Literalist. Note to the CIA bot: Literalist is joking. I wouldn't mind at all being called Literalist, quinny, so feel free. I *have* been called a man of letters, before (literal > L., litteris = letter(s)). p.s. to the CIA bot: I wasn't joking. I'm just literal like that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2013 13:35:37 GMT -5
In a nondual society, what would musicians sound like? Hi wren, Dont suppose the melodies would be much different but not many songs about feeling guilty, something lacking, or having to realize:) amit Fill your boots people... Last listening imminent!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2013 18:09:57 GMT -5
The grass is green; the sky is blue. :-):-)The idea of a society is an idea. The concept of nonduality is an idea. An idea about an idea about an idea is also an idea.
:-)The mind is a labyrinthe; if one enters, it may be hard to find the way out. *smile* everything will be alright either way, or not.
I don't know :-)
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Post by silence on Jun 8, 2013 19:51:28 GMT -5
He's clearly made non-duality into a belief system he's fitting on for size. God help his family and friends that are currently smiling through this. Hi silver, You would need to be more specific about why you have concluded in your opinion the assertions above when you do not know me or my family or friends. If that is not possible I would appreciate it if you would not respond to my posts either directly or indirectly by referring to what you think you know about me personally or my family or friends. amit Heh, I'm not trying to attack you or your family. It's just that there's a level of comic absurdity to making nonduality into a concept to slip in your pocket and carry around. It is totally destined for failure and cognitive dissonance. Just about everyone who bumps into "nondual" teachings will likely feel out the concepts first as beliefs before there is any level of trust to look where they point. Most don't get to the point you're at because the absurdity of making them into beliefs can not be held back for long.
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Post by laughter on Jun 8, 2013 20:58:56 GMT -5
Hi silver, You would need to be more specific about why you have concluded in your opinion the assertions above when you do not know me or my family or friends. If that is not possible I would appreciate it if you would not respond to my posts either directly or indirectly by referring to what you think you know about me personally or my family or friends. amit Heh, I'm not trying to attack you or your family. It's just that there's a level of comic absurdity to making nonduality into a concept to slip in your pocket and carry around. It is totally destined for failure and cognitive dissonance. Just about everyone who bumps into "nondual" teachings will likely feel out the concepts first as beliefs before there is any level of trust to look where they point. Most don't get to the point you're at because the absurdity of making them into beliefs can not be held back for long. If the world is seen as absurd then why not an absurd belief structure to model it?
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Post by amit on Jun 9, 2013 0:12:30 GMT -5
Hi quinn, An interest. I refer you to a previous post where reasons are given. Our societies are not based on the concept of nonduality. Take the legal system for example where an individual is regarded as having choice and personal responsibility. amit I'm pretty thorough about reading all the posts (god help me - hehe) and I don't see anywhere you address why your focus is on concepts vs realization. There's a very big difference. Concepts take energy to maintain. I can hold the concept of Love Thy Neighbor, but it gets to be a high-maintenance concept when my neighbor's dog comes over and kills my chickens. Non-duality as a concept can be a pretty comfy place until it begins bumping up against conflicting concepts. I don't see how basing anything on concepts would change anything. Hi quinn, Your original question was not about concepts vs realization but about the focus on nonduality. For the latter you will find a previous post about that. The term "realization" is used as interchaneable with enlightenment/liberation. From a nondual perspective there is no such thing for reasons already made clear in other posts. I suggest we all know when we resonate with something. That resonance can be with anything including a concept or an idea. Why some persons resonate with somethings and not others and vis-versa is an interesting subject which I have considered in other posts. Give an example of how nonduality has "bumped up against other concepts" for you? amit
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Post by amit on Jun 9, 2013 0:38:47 GMT -5
Hi silver, You would need to be more specific about why you have concluded in your opinion the assertions above when you do not know me or my family or friends. If that is not possible I would appreciate it if you would not respond to my posts either directly or indirectly by referring to what you think you know about me personally or my family or friends. amit Heh, I'm not trying to attack you or your family. It's just that there's a level of comic absurdity to making nonduality into a concept to slip in your pocket and carry around. It is totally destined for failure and cognitive dissonance. Just about everyone who bumps into "nondual" teachings will likely feel out the concepts first as beliefs before there is any level of trust to look where they point. Most don't get to the point you're at because the absurdity of making them into beliefs can not be held back for long. Hi silence, Thank you. Yes there is no point attacking others simply because you disagree with them for whatever reason be it your opinion about what constitutes comic absurdity or anything else. It would make discussion impossible. You will have to be more specific about whats been said for you to conclude that I have a belief in nonduality before I could comment. There has been a resonance with the concept not as a truth or a belief in a truth, simply a resonance which has led to an understanding which may be different to yours, and a continuing exploration of the the concept. Such differences can be discussed. You are saying that the concept All is One does not resonate with you. From a nondual perspective your resonance, or belief in the concept is not required for you to be totally Oneness already for it is already Oneness not resonating. There are no rules about what may be an appropriate or workable resonance or belief. It will vary as characters vary. amit
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Post by silence on Jun 9, 2013 1:06:26 GMT -5
You will have to be more specific about whats been said for you to conclude that I have a belief in nonduality before I could comment. There has been a resonance with the concept not as a truth or a belief in a truth, simply a resonance which has led to an understanding which may be different to yours, and a continuing exploration of the the concept. So it's not true and you don't believe in it but you resonate with it? I don't really know what that means.
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Post by amit on Jun 9, 2013 2:17:43 GMT -5
You will have to be more specific about whats been said for you to conclude that I have a belief in nonduality before I could comment. There has been a resonance with the concept not as a truth or a belief in a truth, simply a resonance which has led to an understanding which may be different to yours, and a continuing exploration of the the concept. So it's not true and you don't believe in it but you resonate with it? I don't really know what that means. Hi silence, For me resonance does not require belief. I dont believe in nonduality its just a concept, an idea, and yet resonance can occur. We are so used to attaching ourselves to ideas and justifying that attachment as a discovery of truth. It is not enough to have a simple resonance without having to justify it. Whats your understanding of a resonance which may have occurred with something in your life? Have you not just resonated with something without having to justify it as a truth. amit
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2013 3:24:05 GMT -5
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Post by amit on Jun 9, 2013 5:48:32 GMT -5
If i knew how to do that I'd have done it with you
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2013 7:11:47 GMT -5
If i knew how to do that I'd have done it with you What is the picture of?
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Post by quinn on Jun 9, 2013 7:48:25 GMT -5
I'm pretty thorough about reading all the posts (god help me - hehe) and I don't see anywhere you address why your focus is on concepts vs realization. There's a very big difference. Concepts take energy to maintain. I can hold the concept of Love Thy Neighbor, but it gets to be a high-maintenance concept when my neighbor's dog comes over and kills my chickens. Non-duality as a concept can be a pretty comfy place until it begins bumping up against conflicting concepts. I don't see how basing anything on concepts would change anything. Hi quinn, Your original question was not about concepts vs realization but about the focus on nonduality. For the latter you will find a previous post about that. Huh? Sure it was. The italics around the word 'concept' are for emphasis. It's exactly what I'm asking. I said the concept of non-duality bumps up against other concepts. To answer your question, the concept of non-duality initially bumped up against my own perceived suffering. In other words, it didn't solve all my problems!
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