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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2013 13:02:44 GMT -5
Hi Blue, how are You, Thatnk you for the kind welcome.....is there any chance that you were finally able to get around to answering some of the questions I had? You know, that stuff we usually talk about at this DISCUSSION forum about speeeerachul stuff? Peace Be unto you. Dear Dude/Dudette, I've already forgot about that. We will see (pun intended). I suggest you chase Tzu and Enigma around the block for a couple of months first. I must say I prefer the old Tath style over this born-again style anytime. However, things have changed a little around here, you should keep 2 things in mind if you want to last a little longer here: 1) DO NOT DO name calling 2) DO NOT DO crusadesEnjoy your stay! Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize Thank you soooo much for letting me stay Brother! I'd hate to be the focus of one of your crusades again, you know, like the one against Tathagata, Andrew, and Question :-) I certainly will not "chase" you lol If I could make a request though, perhaps you could interact more directly with people in a collegial manner, versus talking "about" people with Enigma, it could possibly go a long way toward improving the tone (style) of dialogue around these parts. :-) I know things change, and lately you seem to have decided that "style" is irrelevant when your style is called into question But I seem to remember you spending countless hours documenting all the "style" indicators in my posts that revealed me as some kind of threat or fraud....that was good stuff lol...so between being called out on your "style", and after spending countless hours compiling data and reporting on my "style" back then, I hope you can have some empathy about how your "style" can have a positive or negative affect on the tone of the dialogue around here? Also, I just gotta ask: You seem to be very critical of any views that do not jibe with Enigma's belief system, in other words, you do a lot of criticizing of people, their views, and lack of awareness or speeeerachul development, but when asked about yours, you refuse to respond or interact in any semblance of an open dialogue, can you see how it might be offputting to some that you seem to offer only criticisms, without much other contribution? Best Wishes
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Post by tzujanli on Jun 9, 2013 13:04:33 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. I humbly direct your attention to the text that appears at the bottom of my posts.. i'm sharing my understandings, not claiming ultimate truths.. if you've been reading my posts you'll notice my only suggestion for others is to 'see clearly', and i recommend that dropping all beliefs and knowings is likely to assist in the 'seeing clearly' process.. i don't 'know', i understand.. understanding is subject to change, knowing is fixed.. and i am comfortable with that.. Be well.. :-) I love you like a fat kid lives cake right now lol <humble bows> Yeah.. i'm thinking cake might one of those ultimate truth thingies.. Be well..
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2013 13:12:50 GMT -5
Greetings.. :-) I love you like a fat kid lives cake right now lol <humble bows> Yeah.. i'm thinking cake might one of those ultimate truth thingies.. Be well.. Fo shizzly ma nizzly :-)
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Post by topology on Jun 9, 2013 14:33:50 GMT -5
Dear Dude/Dudette, I've already forgot about that. We will see (pun intended). I suggest you chase Tzu and Enigma around the block for a couple of months first. I must say I prefer the old Tath style over this born-again style anytime. However, things have changed a little around here, you should keep 2 things in mind if you want to last a little longer here: 1) DO NOT DO name calling 2) DO NOT DO crusades Enjoy your stay! Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize Thank you soooo much for letting me stay Brother! I'd hate to be the focus of one of your crusades again, you know, like the one against Tathagata, Andrew, and Question :-) I certainly will not "chase" you lol If I could make a request though, perhaps you could interact more directly with people in a collegial manner, versus talking "about" people with Enigma, it could possibly go a long way toward improving the tone (style) of dialogue around these parts. :-) I know things change, and lately you seem to have decided that "style" is irrelevant when your style is called into question But I seem to remember you spending countless hours documenting all the "style" indicators in my posts that revealed me as some kind of threat or fraud....that was good stuff lol...so between being called out on your "style", and after spending countless hours compiling data and reporting on my "style" back then, I hope you can have some empathy about how your "style" can have a positive or negative affect on the tone of the dialogue around here? Also, I just gotta ask: You seem to be very critical of any views that do not jibe with Enigma's belief system, in other words, you do a lot of criticizing of people, their views, and lack of awareness or speeeerachul development, but when asked about yours, you refuse to respond or interact in any semblance of an open dialogue, can you see how it might be offputting to some that you seem to offer only criticisms, without much other contribution? Best Wishes Your post comes across as very circuitous. Are you avoiding being direct in your confrontation?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2013 14:49:19 GMT -5
Thank you soooo much for letting me stay Brother! I'd hate to be the focus of one of your crusades again, you know, like the one against Tathagata, Andrew, and Question :-) I certainly will not "chase" you lol If I could make a request though, perhaps you could interact more directly with people in a collegial manner, versus talking "about" people with Enigma, it could possibly go a long way toward improving the tone (style) of dialogue around these parts. :-) I know things change, and lately you seem to have decided that "style" is irrelevant when your style is called into question But I seem to remember you spending countless hours documenting all the "style" indicators in my posts that revealed me as some kind of threat or fraud....that was good stuff lol...so between being called out on your "style", and after spending countless hours compiling data and reporting on my "style" back then, I hope you can have some empathy about how your "style" can have a positive or negative affect on the tone of the dialogue around here? Also, I just gotta ask: You seem to be very critical of any views that do not jibe with Enigma's belief system, in other words, you do a lot of criticizing of people, their views, and lack of awareness or speeeerachul development, but when asked about yours, you refuse to respond or interact in any semblance of an open dialogue, can you see how it might be offputting to some that you seem to offer only criticisms, without much other contribution? Best Wishes Your post comes across as very circuitous. Are you avoiding being direct in your confrontation? Probably.....but it's a matter of style I guess ;-) A "kinder gentler" confrontation
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Post by Reefs on Jun 10, 2013 0:01:58 GMT -5
Dear Dude/Dudette, I've already forgot about that. We will see (pun intended). I suggest you chase Tzu and Enigma around the block for a couple of months first. I must say I prefer the old Tath style over this born-again style anytime. However, things have changed a little around here, you should keep 2 things in mind if you want to last a little longer here: 1) DO NOT DO name calling 2) DO NOT DO crusades Enjoy your stay! Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize What's this, a focus on style over content? Welcome to the style mafia. Dear Dude/Dudette, No thanx. You hafta do your style mafia gigs all alone. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize
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Post by Reefs on Jun 10, 2013 0:11:12 GMT -5
Zendancer tried to give me some good advice back in the day, it was the same advice he had gotten I believe, and then ignored, and I did the same thing to his advice....you will probably do the same thing with mine lol Here it is. You have come to a place of genuine realization... if you were born in a different time and in a different pace, say Asia or India, and lived in a monastery, most would say you have achieved enlightenment.....personally, I've come to regard the whole idea of enlightenment as silly.....never-the-less, you have unmoored your mind from a lot of things, and have found the meaning and power of Stillness and "entered" it.... But now the problem is that your mind, having become unsprung, is a weird mixture of stunning clarity, and chaotic movement, and there is a driving force to share that clarity....in fact, the clarity itself establishes a kind of certainty in the sharing of your clarity, in whatever way you find yourself doing it, even if it is adviserial or rude. So here's my advice, the same advice that ZD gave me and I ignored, as you will also ignore it....go and let the mind settle for a bit, instead of following the urge to be a window to the world of the clarity that is blossoming in you. your mind, i.e. the part of you that interacts with others, and is the window of the clarity that you are being a witness to, has become unmoored from past connections, and the mind is like a coiled spring in those situations....when the spring is suddenly released its a rather violent affair.....you can't see how violent it is to your surroundings because you are settled into stillness in such a way that the movement of your mind seems no more violent and movementy that the rest of the movement around you....so please take my advice....your mind still exists, and is being VERY violent right now while you are centered in stillness.....go someplace where the people around you are not likely to agitate that violently unsprung mind and poke it with a sharp stick while luaghing at you....not this place brother.... Let the mind settle for a year, and then share the clarity that is blossoming in you from the stillness....also, you may have detached you mind from its oorings, but its still there, including the yucky parts, just bouncing around in that stillness....a little time spent with your mind fermenting in that stillness will help desolve some of the yucky parts ;-)....and make you a better window. Dear Dude/Dudette, Seems you are still ignoring ZD's advice. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize
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Post by Reefs on Jun 10, 2013 0:53:52 GMT -5
If I could make a request though, perhaps you could interact more directly with people in a collegial manner, versus talking "about" people with Enigma, it could possibly go a long way toward improving the tone (style) of dialogue around these parts. :-) Dear Dude/Dudette, You should read more carefully. See quote below. Not meaning to imply what should and shouldn't be engaged, but by that logic, I would still be clashing swords with Tzu, and no conversation with Figandrew would ever have ended. There is a point at which the futility of direct confrontation can be recognized, and that also may be the same point where clarity about the situation might be explored with others. (what you call mocking) Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2013 8:49:54 GMT -5
I'm not so sure there's a clear dividing line between style and content. They each inform the other.
The tone of mocking is part of the message. At it's best, it's intended to provoke a reaction that can then be examined. At it's worst, it's intended to just be hurtful.
Of course much of the time what is heard as a mocking tone, is a projection of the listener. This too can be examined, given the right set and setting.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2013 8:51:22 GMT -5
If mind asks itself "What is my function?", what is the reply? amit That.
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Post by tzujanli on Jun 10, 2013 9:20:49 GMT -5
Greetings.. If I could make a request though, perhaps you could interact more directly with people in a collegial manner, versus talking "about" people with Enigma, it could possibly go a long way toward improving the tone (style) of dialogue around these parts. :-) Dear Dude/Dudette, You should read more carefully. See quote below. Not meaning to imply what should and shouldn't be engaged, but by that logic, I would still be clashing swords with Tzu, and no conversation with Figandrew would ever have ended. There is a point at which the futility of direct confrontation can be recognized, and that also may be the same point where clarity about the situation might be explored with others. (what you call mocking) Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize You should see more clearly. See red text above. That is an excuse used as an illusion to justify a violent and intentionally aggressive nature.. note that the inherent understanding/intention used in communication with others is "confrontation".. you've been around here long enough to see the result when someone tries to have a discussion with Enigma that doesn't agree with his beliefs, he goes to war with them, but.. it's not "direct confrontation", it's indirect, employing plausible denial and proxy agents to dodge the moderators and create an environment so unpleasant that the victim either leaves or self-destructs.. that is E's nature as evidenced by his interactions.. Clarity need not include pejorative words and phrases, mocking or ridicule, or provocative intentions.. those forms of interaction speak to the nature of the provocateur.. the options for 'exploring with others' what is believed to be clarity, greatly exceed aggressive and provocative language chosen by E.. If he were willing to meet in neutral territory, to come empty and respectfully to a discussion, there are no swords to clash.. E carries his battlefield with him, cloaks it in illusions, and creates opposition so he can engage it.. you should see more clearly.. Be well..
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Post by mizmotown on Jun 13, 2013 10:38:12 GMT -5
A Course In Miracles (Lesson 64) would describe one of your functions as follows:
Let me not forget my function.
Today's idea is merely another way of saying "Let me not wander into temptation." The purpose of the world you see is to obscure your function of forgiveness, and provide you with a justification for forgetting it. It is the temptation to abandon God and His Son by taking on a physical appearance. It is this the body's eyes look upon.
Nothing the body's eyes seem to see can be anything but a form of temptation, since this was the purpose of the body itself. Yet we have learned that the Holy Spirit has another use for all the illusions you have made, and therefore He sees another purpose in them. To the Holy Spirit, the world is a place where you learn to forgive yourself what you think of as your sins. In this perception, the physical appearance of temptation becomes the spiritual recognition of salvation.
To review our last few lessons, your function here is to be the light of the world, a function given you by God. It is only the arrogance of the ego that leads you to question this, and only the fear of the ego that induces you to regard yourself as unworthy of the task assigned to you by God Himself. The world's salvation awaits your forgiveness, because through it does the Son of God escape from all illusions, and thus from all temptation. The Son of God is you.
Only by fulfilling the function given you by God will you be happy. That is because your function is to be happy by using the means by which happiness becomes inevitable. There is no other way. Therefore, every time you choose whether or not to fulfill your function, you are really choosing whether or not to be happy.
Let us remember this today. Let us remind ourselves of it in the morning and again at night, and all through the day as well. Prepare yourself in advance for all the decisions you will make today by remembering they are all really very simple. Each one will lead to happiness or unhappiness. Can such a simple decision really be difficult to make? Let not the form of the decision deceive you. Complexity of form does not imply complexity of content. It is impossible that any decision on earth can have a content different from just this one simple choice. That is the only choice the Holy Spirit sees. Therefore it is the only choice there is.
Today, then, let us practice with these thoughts:
Let me not forget my function. Let me not try to substitute mine for God's. Let me forgive and be happy.
At least once devote ten or fifteen minutes today to reflecting on this with closed eyes. Related thoughts will come to help you, if you remember the crucial importance of your function to you and to the world.
In the frequent applications of today's idea throughout the day, devote several minutes to reviewing these thoughts, and then thinking about them and about nothing else. This will be difficult, at first particularly, since you are not proficient in the mind discipline that it requires. You may need to repeat "Let me not forget my function" quite often to help you concentrate.
Two forms of shorter practice periods are required. At times, do the exercises with your eyes closed, trying to concentrate on the thoughts you are using. At other times, keep your eyes open after reviewing the thoughts, and then look slowly and unselectively around you, telling yourself:
This is the world it is my function to save.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2013 10:49:05 GMT -5
Greetings.. Dear Dude/Dudette, You should read more carefully. See quote below. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize You should see more clearly. See red text above. That is an excuse used as an illusion to justify a violent and intentionally aggressive nature.. note that the inherent understanding/intention used in communication with others is "confrontation".. you've been around here long enough to see the result when someone tries to have a discussion with Enigma that doesn't agree with his beliefs, he goes to war with them, but.. it's not "direct confrontation", it's indirect, employing plausible denial and proxy agents to dodge the moderators and create an environment so unpleasant that the victim either leaves or self-destructs.. that is E's nature as evidenced by his interactions.. Clarity need not include pejorative words and phrases, mocking or ridicule, or provocative intentions.. those forms of interaction speak to the nature of the provocateur.. the options for 'exploring with others' what is believed to be clarity, greatly exceed aggressive and provocative language chosen by E.. If he were willing to meet in neutral territory, to come empty and respectfully to a discussion, there are no swords to clash.. E carries his battlefield with him, cloaks it in illusions, and creates opposition so he can engage it.. you should see more clearly.. Be well.. Gosh, when one finds one's self making statements like that one in red, a little space and a pause before we continue can be a wonderful thing.
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