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Post by enigma on Jun 7, 2013 23:37:42 GMT -5
Greetings.. From Wikipedia: " The self is an individual person as the object of his or her own reflective consciousness.", which is followed by differing 'opinions' or 'beliefs' about self.. 'I', as a 'self', is not separate from that which 'I' am, that 'self' is a component that which 'I' am.. the concept of nonduality imagines a self separate from itself, which is humorous in its opposition to the concept of nonduality.. Self is an outward expression of one's private mindscape, it is the collective effect of the thoughts, beliefs, opinions, the history, the genetic influences, the insights, intuitions, intelligence and level of awareness and open-mindedness that is unique to each individuated version of the greater whole, a unique perspective experiencing its relationship with itself as parts AND whole.. the self is both separate AND whole simultaneously, like the unique pattern of the snowflake is made of exactly the same substance as the ocean, yet separate from that ocean.. Be well.. Hi tzu and sdp, Self/person/character are probably interchangeable. Anyway even if that is not precisely so, we can explore what it feels like to be a self from our own experience. Lets call this self amit. For the purposes of this I am using the terms "I" and "me" to mean the mind assigned to amit for his protection. For me amit feels like a construction on a stage with other characters. I sit alone in the stalls watching amit and monitor his condition making adjustments to his appearance and behaviour including what he says in the hope of limiting any discomfort. This is the only way I can affect the way he is feeling. I cant control his feelings directly. Amit feels and I can feel his feeling but he does not think. I do the thinking. I can also feel how the other characters are feeling but am not so confident that I feel them as correctly as I feel amit's feelings. It is useful information so I ask them through amit how they are feeling. They also think as presumably they have someone like me sitting in the stalls protecting them. I look around in the stalls to see if I can see those other assigned minds but I am alone;) Whats it like for you guys? You have split your mind. There are not two of you there. Yes. |
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Post by enigma on Jun 7, 2013 23:40:11 GMT -5
Yes, but I have no time to reply now......will get back ASAP. Briefly, the journey (from my viewpoint) is from True Self (as we are born) to false self (acquired cultural self ) to True Self (recovering Self as essence) to no-self (moving even beyond True Self) to Real I. sdp I think you need to go on a non-spiritual retreat where all concepts about self are forbidden to be discussed. Perhaps then all of this silliness could dissolve into your distant memories. Where do I sign up?!  Well...I mean...where does signing up happen?  |
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Post by amit on Jun 8, 2013 1:32:45 GMT -5
Hi tzu and sdp, Self/person/character are probably interchangeable. Anyway even if that is not precisely so, we can explore what it feels like to be a self from our own experience. Lets call this self amit. For the purposes of this I am using the terms "I" and "me" to mean the mind assigned to amit for his protection. For me amit feels like a construction on a stage with other characters. I sit alone in the stalls watching amit and monitor his condition making adjustments to his appearance and behaviour including what he says in the hope of limiting any discomfort. This is the only way I can affect the way he is feeling. I cant control his feelings directly. Amit feels and I can feel his feeling but he does not think. I do the thinking. I can also feel how the other characters are feeling but am not so confident that I feel them as correctly as I feel amit's feelings. It is useful information so I ask them through amit how they are feeling. They also think as presumably they have someone like me sitting in the stalls protecting them. I look around in the stalls to see if I can see those other assigned minds but I am alone;) Whats it like for you guys? You have split your mind. There are not two of you there. Yes. Hi enigma, (Still using "I", "my", and "me" as terms for the mind assigned to amit for his protection.) Yes it did feel like there was some splitting going on. At the beginning of the post it felt like amit could feel. Towards the end that changed and it felt like it was me feeling for him. No splitting. Amit was a total construction with no functions of his own. He was my primary focus. When I couldn't see the other assigned minds around me in the stalls, I imagined that I was also those minds as well. I notice however that I cannot adjust my wife and children when they are tickling me whilst I am trying to write this at 7am so it feels like Oneness has assigned itself to each as its primary focus. What a game! In the last paragraph I was using the term "Mind" as interchangeable with Oneness, because of the observer role at a distance from the play, not as Oneness appearing as mind in the play along with everything else. amit |
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Post by amit on Jun 8, 2013 1:41:20 GMT -5
Greetings.. Hi tzu and sdp, Self/person/character are probably interchangeable. Anyway even if that is not precisely so, we can explore what it feels like to be a self from our own experience. Lets call this self amit. For the purposes of this I am using the terms "I" and "me" to mean the mind assigned to amit for his protection. For me amit feels like a construction on a stage with other characters. I sit alone in the stalls watching amit and monitor his condition making adjustments to his appearance and behaviour including what he says in the hope of limiting any discomfort. This is the only way I can affect the way he is feeling. I cant control his feelings directly. Amit feels and I can feel his feeling but he does not think. I do the thinking. I can also feel how the other characters are feeling but am not so confident that I feel them as correctly as I feel amit's feelings. It is useful information so I ask them through amit how they are feeling. They also think as presumably they have someone like me sitting in the stalls protecting them. I look around in the stalls to see if I can see those other assigned minds but I am alone;) Whats it like for you guys? Interestingly I also have resonance with the idea that all the characters on stage are played by the same actor (Oneness). I am imagining at the moment that all the assigned minds are that actor. Its almost like saying that Oneness IS mind. amit I sense that "I" am like the snowflake, a wholly unique pattern of exactly the same 'stuff', call that stuff 'God', Oneness, Light, whatever.. i understand it as Energy.. the 'snowflake' is is an independently functioning version of its 'essence', its wholeness.. it has every potential of the whole, as it is also whole, too.. i look into the eyes of others and know that 'i' am looking back, appreciating that 'i' exist as one AND many.. Be well.. Hi tzu, Ok. Thanks amit |
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Post by silence on Jun 8, 2013 20:02:12 GMT -5
I think you need to go on a non-spiritual retreat where all concepts about self are forbidden to be discussed. Perhaps then all of this silliness could dissolve into your distant memories. Where do I sign up?! Well...I mean...where does signing up happen? Contact the oneness blob for further details.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2013 20:13:52 GMT -5
Greetings.. From Wikipedia: " The self is an individual person as the object of his or her own reflective consciousness.", which is followed by differing 'opinions' or 'beliefs' about self.. 'I', as a 'self', is not separate from that which 'I' am, that 'self' is a component that which 'I' am.. the concept of nonduality imagines a self separate from itself, which is humorous in its opposition to the concept of nonduality.. Self is an outward expression of one's private mindscape, it is the collective effect of the thoughts, beliefs, opinions, the history, the genetic influences, the insights, intuitions, intelligence and level of awareness and open-mindedness that is unique to each individuated version of the greater whole, a unique perspective experiencing its relationship with itself as parts AND whole.. the self is both separate AND whole simultaneously, like the unique pattern of the snowflake is made of exactly the same substance as the ocean, yet separate from that ocean.. Be well.. Hi tzu and sdp, Self/person/character are probably interchangeable. Anyway even if that is not precisely so, we can explore what it feels like to be a self from our own experience. Lets call this self amit. For the purposes of this I am using the terms "I" and "me" to mean the mind assigned to amit for his protection. For me amit feels like a construction on a stage with other characters. I sit alone in the stalls watching amit and monitor his condition making adjustments to his appearance and behaviour including what he says in the hope of limiting any discomfort. This is the only way I can affect the way he is feeling. I cant control his feelings directly. Amit feels and I can feel his feeling but he does not think. I do the thinking. I can also feel how the other characters are feeling but am not so confident that I feel them as correctly as I feel amit's feelings. It is useful information so I ask them through amit how they are feeling. They also think as presumably they have someone like me sitting in the stalls protecting them. I look around in the stalls to see if I can see those other assigned minds but I am alone;) Whats it like for you guys? Interestingly I also have resonance with the idea that all the characters on stage are played by the same actor (Oneness). I am imagining at the moment that all the assigned minds are that actor. Its almost like saying that Oneness IS mind. amit If Oneness IS mind, then mind IS Oneness... Then does that make that which is aware of mind two-ness? |
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Post by tzujanli on Jun 8, 2013 21:13:23 GMT -5
Greetings.. Hi tzu and sdp, Self/person/character are probably interchangeable. Anyway even if that is not precisely so, we can explore what it feels like to be a self from our own experience. Lets call this self amit. For the purposes of this I am using the terms "I" and "me" to mean the mind assigned to amit for his protection. For me amit feels like a construction on a stage with other characters. I sit alone in the stalls watching amit and monitor his condition making adjustments to his appearance and behaviour including what he says in the hope of limiting any discomfort. This is the only way I can affect the way he is feeling. I cant control his feelings directly. Amit feels and I can feel his feeling but he does not think. I do the thinking. I can also feel how the other characters are feeling but am not so confident that I feel them as correctly as I feel amit's feelings. It is useful information so I ask them through amit how they are feeling. They also think as presumably they have someone like me sitting in the stalls protecting them. I look around in the stalls to see if I can see those other assigned minds but I am alone;) Whats it like for you guys? Interestingly I also have resonance with the idea that all the characters on stage are played by the same actor (Oneness). I am imagining at the moment that all the assigned minds are that actor. Its almost like saying that Oneness IS mind. amit If Oneness IS mind, then mind IS Oneness... Then does that make that which is aware of mind two-ness? Hi trf: The inconsistencies and contradictions inherent with the concept of Oneness cannot be reconciled with the actuality of what is actually happening, so.. there are the 'articles of faith', beliefs which must be believed in order for the concept of Oneness to appear valid.. 'articles of faith' are assumed to be true/truth and are not subject to scrutiny or open honest discussion, and.. as such, the believers feel justified in using any and all tactics and methods to create the illusion that Oneness is infallible and that contradiction can only be sourced from inferior persons/minds/awarenesses.. this is my current understanding based on the presentations presented here, at ST.. Having said that, i am open to an open honest discussion about Oneness, about non-duality, about separation and duality, and.. if such a conversation reveals Oneness to be what is actually happening, i will actually and with humble gratitude revise my understandings about Oneness.. i will begin with the admission that i cannot find a valid contradiction to the suggestion that a still mind leads to clarity, and clarity is the most likely perspective for revealing what is actually happening, but.. i will eagerly apply contrary understandings to experience their relevance and relationship with what is actually happening.. it is not in the best interest of the individual or the whole to hold understandings as valid that have been revealed as not valid, so.. i am open to revision in the interest of that which 'is'.. Be well.. |
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Post by amit on Jun 9, 2013 0:51:34 GMT -5
Hi tzu and sdp, Self/person/character are probably interchangeable. Anyway even if that is not precisely so, we can explore what it feels like to be a self from our own experience. Lets call this self amit. For the purposes of this I am using the terms "I" and "me" to mean the mind assigned to amit for his protection. For me amit feels like a construction on a stage with other characters. I sit alone in the stalls watching amit and monitor his condition making adjustments to his appearance and behaviour including what he says in the hope of limiting any discomfort. This is the only way I can affect the way he is feeling. I cant control his feelings directly. Amit feels and I can feel his feeling but he does not think. I do the thinking. I can also feel how the other characters are feeling but am not so confident that I feel them as correctly as I feel amit's feelings. It is useful information so I ask them through amit how they are feeling. They also think as presumably they have someone like me sitting in the stalls protecting them. I look around in the stalls to see if I can see those other assigned minds but I am alone;) Whats it like for you guys? Interestingly I also have resonance with the idea that all the characters on stage are played by the same actor (Oneness). I am imagining at the moment that all the assigned minds are that actor. Its almost like saying that Oneness IS mind. amit If Oneness IS mind, then mind IS Oneness... Then does that make that which is aware of mind two-ness? Hi trf, Not if there is only Mind/Oneness. In would be mind/Oneness that is aware of itself. amit |
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Post by amit on Jun 9, 2013 1:00:04 GMT -5
Greetings.. If Oneness IS mind, then mind IS Oneness... Then does that make that which is aware of mind two-ness? Hi trf: The inconsistencies and contradictions inherent with the concept of Oneness cannot be reconciled with the actuality of what is actually happening, so.. there are the 'articles of faith', beliefs which must be believed in order for the concept of Oneness to appear valid.. 'articles of faith' are assumed to be true/truth and are not subject to scrutiny or open honest discussion, and.. as such, the believers feel justified in using any and all tactics and methods to create the illusion that Oneness is infallible and that contradiction can only be sourced from inferior persons/minds/awarenesses.. this is my current understanding based on the presentations presented here, at ST.. Having said that, i am open to an open honest discussion about Oneness, about non-duality, about separation and duality, and.. if such a conversation reveals Oneness to be what is actually happening, i will actually and with humble gratitude revise my understandings about Oneness.. i will begin with the admission that i cannot find a valid contradiction to the suggestion that a still mind leads to clarity, and clarity is the most likely perspective for revealing what is actually happening, but.. i will eagerly apply contrary understandings to experience their relevance and relationship with what is actually happening.. it is not in the best interest of the individual or the whole to hold understandings as valid that have been revealed as not valid, so.. i am open to revision in the interest of that which 'is'.. Be well.. Hi tzu, That openness is very much appreciated which has enabled exploratory discussion between us about Oneness. For me it seems impossible that Oneness can be regarded as what is when it flies in the face of the separation and differences we see around us. What do you think? amit |
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Post by tzujanli on Jun 9, 2013 9:35:36 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. Hi trf: The inconsistencies and contradictions inherent with the concept of Oneness cannot be reconciled with the actuality of what is actually happening, so.. there are the 'articles of faith', beliefs which must be believed in order for the concept of Oneness to appear valid.. 'articles of faith' are assumed to be true/truth and are not subject to scrutiny or open honest discussion, and.. as such, the believers feel justified in using any and all tactics and methods to create the illusion that Oneness is infallible and that contradiction can only be sourced from inferior persons/minds/awarenesses.. this is my current understanding based on the presentations presented here, at ST.. Having said that, i am open to an open honest discussion about Oneness, about non-duality, about separation and duality, and.. if such a conversation reveals Oneness to be what is actually happening, i will actually and with humble gratitude revise my understandings about Oneness.. i will begin with the admission that i cannot find a valid contradiction to the suggestion that a still mind leads to clarity, and clarity is the most likely perspective for revealing what is actually happening, but.. i will eagerly apply contrary understandings to experience their relevance and relationship with what is actually happening.. it is not in the best interest of the individual or the whole to hold understandings as valid that have been revealed as not valid, so.. i am open to revision in the interest of that which 'is'.. Be well.. Hi tzu, That openness is very much appreciated which has enabled exploratory discussion between us about Oneness. For me it seems impossible that Oneness can be regarded as what is when it flies in the face of the separation and differences we see around us. What do you think? amit I agree.. and, i also see an interconnectedness that links all of the "separate parts" as a "greater whole", not unlike the cells in the human body, where some are grouped into different organs (cultures/functions), but all are just 'passing through', like the body replaces all of its cells every 15 years, we as individuals come and go while existence continues its evolving self-discovery.. yes, there is the consciousness that remains intact, but which evolves with experiences gained, nothing remains unchanged.. similarly, between 'separate body-minds' the consciousness integrated with each body-mind evolves its own private mindscape/understanding, its own unique understanding of its relationship with others and the environment of its existence.. and, through interactive experiences there emerges a greater living organism, so.. it is my understanding that there are both, a symbiotic whole and the parts that make it so.. Be well.. |
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Post by enigma on Jun 9, 2013 9:35:50 GMT -5
Where do I sign up?! Well...I mean...where does signing up happen? Contact the oneness blob for further details. Onenessblob.com doesn't exist......Hmmmm, I'm beginning to think oneness isn't the truth.  |
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Post by Reefs on Jun 9, 2013 9:56:29 GMT -5
Contact the oneness blob for further details. Onenessblob.com doesn't exist......Hmmmm, I'm beginning to think oneness isn't the truth. Dear Dude/Dudette, There's a onenessblog.com which may or may not dispel such doubts. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize |
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Post by silence on Jun 9, 2013 11:05:50 GMT -5
Contact the oneness blob for further details. Onenessblob.com doesn't exist......Hmmmm, I'm beginning to think oneness isn't the truth. can help renew your faith, hehe. |
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Post by silence on Jun 9, 2013 11:32:35 GMT -5
Contact the oneness blob for further details. Onenessblob.com doesn't exist......Hmmmm, I'm beginning to think oneness isn't the truth. There's also this: oneness blob realization. Step two is where it's at. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2013 17:03:00 GMT -5
If Oneness IS mind, then mind IS Oneness... Then does that make that which is aware of mind two-ness? Hi trf, Not if there is only Mind/Oneness. In would be mind/Oneness that is aware of itself. amit Oh, you mean like Mind/Oneness is dependent on what we are, but what we are is not dependent on Mind/Oneness? |
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