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Post by silence on Apr 3, 2013 14:29:39 GMT -5
In my opinion a teacher knows that TRUTH is not sought-able. His only job is convince the student that there is another view of Reality, separate from the one that is normally conceived. And that it is just as pragmatic as the one that the student has a death grip on. It is not so much a gaining of something, but rather a pitting of one view of Reality against another. A teacher is not trying to encourage or convince a student to exchange one view of Reality with another. A teacher is encouraging a student to leave all views of Reality behind and realize that s/he IS Reality. A teacher points only to Presence. I agree. Like a warrior shedding all his armor onto the ground until there's nothing. Not even a naked warrior.
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Post by silence on Apr 3, 2013 14:33:00 GMT -5
Are you content with an "oh" or are you expecting an "OH MY FU.CKING GOD!"? Even an "oh" is not guaranteed. More commonly it seems like things just start getting quieter and quieter with more and more thought patterns going missing until mind sounds the alarm and worries they have dissociative disorder or they're going crazy or they're going to die or this or that.
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Post by Beingist on Apr 3, 2013 14:40:50 GMT -5
Pretty much my entire life, I've been looking inward (alcohol can prevent it, though). To answer your question, though, the question that I 'currently use', is ... ? In other words, I pretty much perpetually inquire within questioningly. It's not a verbal thing, but it is still sensate. Seems to be focused, like, right behind the very center of my back. Sounds like you keep yourself quite busy. ? 'Busy' is a word that just doesn't describe it.
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Post by silence on Apr 3, 2013 14:43:19 GMT -5
The spontaneous realization in Joe Blow is going to release the tension in his mind, bring him existential peace, but not necessarily change his personality, external behavior or bodily manifestation in the world. People might notice that he's "calmed down" or become more content, easier to be around, but that's about it. He may never talk about his insight or share it with anyone. He has no need to. Yes, your personality is always going to be unique and that's the way it's supposed to be. Which is why all the emulation of saints and teachers is completely missing the point. The only thing that's pretty much guaranteed is that the absence of an imaginary moderator filtering and distorting your personality will likely make you much more direct.
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Post by silence on Apr 3, 2013 14:55:02 GMT -5
Sounds like you keep yourself quite busy. ? 'Busy' is a word that just doesn't describe it. Something is keeping quite busy if you're "perpetually inquiring within". I'd say the questioner has some pretty serious job security at least.
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Post by Beingist on Apr 3, 2013 15:11:17 GMT -5
? 'Busy' is a word that just doesn't describe it. Something is keeping quite busy if you're "perpetually inquiring within". I'd say the questioner has some pretty serious job security at least. Rather, it lends a whole new definition to the term, 'permanent position'.
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Post by silence on Apr 3, 2013 15:16:02 GMT -5
Something is keeping quite busy if you're "perpetually inquiring within". I'd say the questioner has some pretty serious job security at least. Rather, it lends a whole new definition to the term, 'permanent position'. I see. The only reason I mention it is to pose the question of whether perpetual inquiry can become a way of preventing letting go rather than fascilitating it.
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Post by Beingist on Apr 3, 2013 15:21:54 GMT -5
Rather, it lends a whole new definition to the term, 'permanent position'. I see. The only reason I mention it is to pose the question of whether perpetual inquiry can become a way of preventing letting go rather than fascilitating it. No choice, in any event. No chooser.
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Post by silence on Apr 3, 2013 15:35:33 GMT -5
I see. The only reason I mention it is to pose the question of whether perpetual inquiry can become a way of preventing letting go rather than fascilitating it. No choice, in any event. No chooser. Sounds like you've concluded yourself into a corner.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2013 15:40:29 GMT -5
No choice, in any event. No chooser. Sounds like you've concluded yourself into a corner. B sounds A-okay with whatever's going on....rather, it sounds like YOU'VE concluded him into a corner.
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Post by Beingist on Apr 3, 2013 15:44:42 GMT -5
No choice, in any event. No chooser. Sounds like you've concluded yourself into a corner. Sounds you're making all sorts of assumptions.
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Post by silence on Apr 3, 2013 15:54:00 GMT -5
Sounds like you've concluded yourself into a corner. B sounds A-okay with whatever's going on....rather, it sounds like YOU'VE concluded him into a corner. Is it necessary for there to be a chooser to pose a question to yourself right now and look? I say obviously not if people are self inquiring to begin with and the truth is already that there is no chooser as Beingist suggests.
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Post by Beingist on Apr 3, 2013 15:57:43 GMT -5
B sounds A-okay with whatever's going on....rather, it sounds like YOU'VE concluded him into a corner. Is it necessary for there to be a chooser to pose a question to yourself right now and look? I say obviously not if people are self inquiring to begin with and the truth is already that there is no chooser as Beingist suggests. Sounds like you're trying to make sense of something that I can't even make sense of, myself.
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Post by Beingist on Apr 3, 2013 15:59:14 GMT -5
Sounds like you've concluded yourself into a corner. B sounds A-okay with whatever's going on....rather, it sounds like YOU'VE concluded him into a corner. I get the same impression.
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Post by Beingist on Apr 3, 2013 16:01:17 GMT -5
B sounds A-okay with whatever's going on....rather, it sounds like YOU'VE concluded him into a corner. Is it necessary for there to be a chooser to pose a question to yourself right now and look? I say obviously not if people are self inquiring to begin with and the truth is already that there is no chooser as Beingist suggests. Wait. People are self-inquiring to begin with? Where did that come from?
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