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Post by tzujanli on Apr 14, 2013 16:32:15 GMT -5
Greetings.. You keep telling people to look at what's actually happening, and declare your 'still mind' perspective of what's actually happening while strategically avoiding a discussion about what's actually happening. To discuss it openly and honestly would be minding and TMT'ing to you. That's quite a safe approach you've taken. It's safe and, controlled. I can't really be asked with his contradictions that's not my bag. It's unsettling that he, has no interest in them and this is what I was referring to when I initially opened the posts to him. As in, writing is a healthy way to look at thought through an obtuse angle. I'm at the conclusion that he has mistaken his anger for courage. C'est la vie... sometimes. Stop throwing bricks from the bridge.. get down here and lets look at 'your' game.. i see that you are eager to join the gang, from a safe distance.. Be well..
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2013 16:42:58 GMT -5
It's safe and, controlled. I can't really be asked with his contradictions that's not my bag. It's unsettling that he, has no interest in them and this is what I was referring to when I initially opened the posts to him. As in, writing is a healthy way to look at thought through an obtuse angle. I'm at the conclusion that he has mistaken his anger for courage. C'est la vie... sometimes. Stop throwing bricks from the bridge.. get down here and lets look at 'your' game.. i see that you are eager to join the gang, from a safe distance.. Request denied.
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Post by enigma on Apr 14, 2013 17:55:38 GMT -5
You keep telling people to look at what's actually happening, and declare your 'still mind' perspective of what's actually happening while strategically avoiding a discussion about what's actually happening. To discuss it openly and honestly would be minding and TMT'ing to you. That's quite a safe approach you've taken. It's safe and, controlled. I can't really be asked with his contradictions that's not my bag. It's unsettling that he, has no interest in them and this is what I was referring to when I initially opened the posts to him. As in, writing is a healthy way to look at thought through an obtuse angle. I'm at the conclusion that he has mistaken his anger for courage.C'est la vie... sometimes. It's a distinct possibility.
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Post by enigma on Apr 14, 2013 17:59:47 GMT -5
Greetings.. You keep telling people to look at what's actually happening, and declare your 'still mind' perspective of what's actually happening while strategically avoiding a discussion about what's actually happening. To discuss it openly and honestly would be minding and TMT'ing to you. That's quite a safe approach you've taken. I figured you'd be around.. so, ready to have an open honest direct respectful discussion, yet? or, will you snipe at that concept while avoiding it yourself? Be well.. You just refused to have the discussion with Top, so why pretend to call for it with me? I'm starting to see where your Emperor/clothes projection comes from.
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Post by tzujanli on Apr 14, 2013 19:16:56 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. I figured you'd be around.. so, ready to have an open honest direct respectful discussion, yet? or, will you snipe at that concept while avoiding it yourself? Be well.. You just refused to have the discussion with Top, so why pretend to call for it with me? I'm starting to see where your Emperor/clothes projection comes from. Here's what i posted to Top: " I am not declining your 'proposed dialogue', we are already well into it..".. your propensity for creating illusions from your misrepresentations of others is well known, so.. your consistency would be to further misrepresent my position, and further embellish your illusion about me refusing to have a discussion with Top, so 'you' can strategically avoid a discussion about what's actually happening.. i see you've chosen to snipe and evade.. There is no pretense when i ask you to engage in an open honest discussion about your understandings of oneness and the teachings of neo-advaita.. you have evaded this discussion for years, you are comically disingenuous to post as if you have any intention of putting your understandings out for sincere scrutiny.. Yes, i do remind people to "look at what's actually happening", and.. to avoid looking at the actualities for some members, there is the distractions of motives and mindings and whatever else can create the illusion of substance while evading the scrutiny of their fundamental beliefs.. Be well..
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Post by tzujanli on Apr 14, 2013 19:31:19 GMT -5
Greetings.. Stop throwing bricks from the bridge.. get down here and lets look at 'your' game.. i see that you are eager to join the gang, from a safe distance.. Request denied. Interesting.. you are beginning to remind of someone else.. someone who didn't have the faith in her own beliefs to actually discuss them.. so, she would make accusations then hide, like "throwing bricks from a bridge".. So, what is 'your bag', wren? what is your understanding of 'you'? or, like others, will you also contrive an excuse for avoiding the 'real' issues? You speak of "courage", but what is this: What are "his contradictions"? Be well..
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Post by enigma on Apr 14, 2013 19:51:24 GMT -5
Greetings.. You just refused to have the discussion with Top, so why pretend to call for it with me? I'm starting to see where your Emperor/clothes projection comes from. Here's what i posted to Top: " I am not declining your 'proposed dialogue', we are already well into it..".. your propensity for creating illusions from your misrepresentations of others is well known, so.. your consistency would be to further misrepresent my position, and further embellish your illusion about me refusing to have a discussion with Top, so 'you' can strategically avoid a discussion about what's actually happening.. i see you've chosen to snipe and evade.. You adamantly and repeatedly refused to discuss what Top proposed, and proceeded to declare 'what is' from your assumed position of still mind knowing, and then declared that you were in fact discussing what you refused to discuss. It is the still mind knowing process which Top proposed as the topic of discussion, not your alleged wisdom that you gathered from that process. Of course it is a pretense. Any and all attempts to discuss such things with you quickly turns to the clashing of swords, which I can only assume is your actual intention. As it is the only mode in which you seem able to communicate, I sometimes don my face mask and grab a sword and join you, but I often don't have an interest. If you were to pay attention at all, you would see me engaged in those discussions you mention with others, and mostly with a minimum of sword clashing. Why doesn't that tell you something?
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Post by Reefs on Apr 14, 2013 20:05:40 GMT -5
Greetings.. Here's what i posted to Top: " I am not declining your 'proposed dialogue', we are already well into it..".. your propensity for creating illusions from your misrepresentations of others is well known, so.. your consistency would be to further misrepresent my position, and further embellish your illusion about me refusing to have a discussion with Top, so 'you' can strategically avoid a discussion about what's actually happening.. i see you've chosen to snipe and evade.. You adamantly and repeatedly refused to discuss what Top proposed, and proceeded to declare 'what is' from your assumed position of still mind knowing, and then declared that you were in fact discussing what you refused to discuss. It is the still mind knowing process which Top proposed as the topic of discussion, not your alleged wisdom that you gathered from that process. Of course it is a pretense. Any and all attempts to discuss such things with you quickly turns to the clashing of swords, which I can only assume is your actual intention. As it is the only mode in which you seem able to communicate, I sometimes don my face mask and grab a sword and join you, but I often don't have an interest. If you were to pay attention at all, you would see me engaged in those discussions you mention with others, and mostly with a minimum of sword clashing. Why doesn't that tell you something? Dear Dude/Dudette, As Tzu said in one of his youtube videos about stress benefists (pun intended) of Tai Chi: The "Still Mind" OHDM is exactly that. A posture. A comfortable position that allows him to respond to anything that presents itself in a comfortable way. It is also clear by now that the 'open & honest' part (maybe even the 'discussion' part) is only meant to be relevant for Tzu's opponents - not for Tzu himself. As soon as the focus of the discussion turns on Tzu himself, discussions are dismissed in a "move along, nothing to see here" fashion. If someone should still continue to focus on the warrior's attire, he/she should be prepared being called a "hyena" who has an "agenda" and who "throws bricks from a bridge" and such. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize
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Post by tzujanli on Apr 14, 2013 20:17:01 GMT -5
Greetings.. Here's what i posted to Top: " I am not declining your 'proposed dialogue', we are already well into it..".. your propensity for creating illusions from your misrepresentations of others is well known, so.. your consistency would be to further misrepresent my position, and further embellish your illusion about me refusing to have a discussion with Top, so 'you' can strategically avoid a discussion about what's actually happening.. i see you've chosen to snipe and evade.. You are wrong. I am even now willing to discuss openly and honestly "the still mind knowing process".. 'You' carry your battlefield with you, forum to forum and post to post, i draw my sword in self-defense, in defense of clarity, as you are constantly seeking to subjugate others in the service of your image.. The "discussions" you mention, are those where people treat you as their teacher, where they feed your ego.. for those that challenge your beliefs, you don't even have the courage to draw a sword or engage in open, direct, honest discussions.. you mock, ridicule, provoke, and employ the aid of your gang/club to enforce the illusions you hide behind.. Be well..
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Post by enigma on Apr 14, 2013 20:38:20 GMT -5
You adamantly and repeatedly refused to discuss what Top proposed, and proceeded to declare 'what is' from your assumed position of still mind knowing, and then declared that you were in fact discussing what you refused to discuss. It is the still mind knowing process which Top proposed as the topic of discussion, not your alleged wisdom that you gathered from that process. Of course it is a pretense. Any and all attempts to discuss such things with you quickly turns to the clashing of swords, which I can only assume is your actual intention. As it is the only mode in which you seem able to communicate, I sometimes don my face mask and grab a sword and join you, but I often don't have an interest. If you were to pay attention at all, you would see me engaged in those discussions you mention with others, and mostly with a minimum of sword clashing. Why doesn't that tell you something? Dear Dude/Dudette, As Tzu said in one of his youtube videos about stress benefists (pun intended) of Tai Chi: The "Still Mind" OHDM is exactly that. A posture. A comfortable position that allows him to respond to anything that presents itself in a comfortable way. You mean that he can always base his delusions on the pretense of still mind clarity? Yeah, as I say, it's all projection all the time, so there's never a time when the self is explored openly and honestly or it would block the projection.
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Post by enigma on Apr 14, 2013 21:08:38 GMT -5
You are wrong. I am even now willing to discuss openly and honestly "the still mind knowing process".. 'You' carry your battlefield with you, forum to forum and post to post, i draw my sword in self-defense, in defense of clarity, as you are constantly seeking to subjugate others in the service of your image.. Well, of course I'm not seeking to subjugate anybody. I'm just discussing stuff on a discussion forum. Since you see demons where there are none, you always feel like you have to defend yourself offensively, and that offense ironically draws criticism that you use to justify your offensive defense. That's the still mind clarity that becomes true when you experience it as such. I'm currently discussing with ZD, Stillness, TRF and Beingist, none of which considers me their teacher, and none of which are feeding my ego, and none of which are agreeing with me. (Though most of us are coming to some understanding, which is actually a pleasant way of carrying on a mature discussion)All of them are currently challenging what you call my beliefs and none of which I'm mocking or ridiculing or engaging in any gang activity. (I'm also being talked down to by you and Hetero, but I'd be hard pressed to call them discussions) That's the current still mind actuality of 'what is', so tell me what in blazes you're looking at beyond your own projections, denial and giraffe herding?
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Post by tzujanli on Apr 14, 2013 21:29:48 GMT -5
Well, of course I'm not seeking to subjugate anybody. I'm just discussing stuff on a discussion forum. Since you see demons where there are none, you always feel like you have to defend yourself offensively, and that offense ironically draws criticism that you use to justify your offensive defense. That's the still mind clarity that becomes true when you experience it as such. I'm currently discussing with ZD, Stillness, TRF and Beingist, none of which considers me their teacher, and none of which are feeding my ego, and none of which are agreeing with me. (Though most of us are coming to some understanding, which is actually a pleasant way of carrying on a mature discussion)All of them are currently challenging what you call my beliefs and none of which I'm mocking or ridiculing or engaging in any gang activity. (I'm also being talked down to by you and Hetero, but I'd be hard pressed to call them discussions) That's the current still mind actuality of 'what is', so tell me what in blazes you're looking at beyond your own projections, denial and giraffe herding? And, you have never talked down to anyone, right? I won't 'tell' you, i will show you.. Be well..
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Post by Reefs on Apr 14, 2013 22:13:03 GMT -5
Dear Dude/Dudette, As Tzu said in one of his youtube videos about stress benefists (pun intended) of Tai Chi: The "Still Mind" OHDM is exactly that. A posture. A comfortable position that allows him to respond to anything that presents itself in a comfortable way. You mean that he can always base his delusions on the pretense of still mind clarity? Yeah, as I say, it's all projection all the time, so there's never a time when the self is explored openly and honestly or it would block the projection. Dear Dude/Dudette, It seems every inquiry about the "Still Mind" is immediately dismissed as TMT, discussions about the Embodiment of the Still Mind also. And speculation about the real state of affairs reg the Still Mind Warrior are ill-willed hyena activities. So how can there ever be an open honest discussion when any attempt is knocked off immediately as inappropriate? There are parallels between the 'Embodiment of The Still Mind' and the 'Embodiment of Christ Consciousness' in attitude and attire. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize
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Post by topology on Apr 14, 2013 22:24:05 GMT -5
Greetings.. Your question makes no sense to me, this is why it wasn't answered in my first reply. I can easily imagine that you have no idea why it makes no sense to me. I know why it makes no sense to you.. the same reason you think like this: LOL.. it is observable as a request because it 'moves' like a request.. i do not need to access the mental filing cabinet to search for meaning, direct experience through a still mind reveals the 'isness' of what is happening.. You are still admiring your self-image rather than looking at what is actually happening.. i doubt that you have even considered the question, rather you have postured a way to demonstrate your beliefs.. Be well.. If a request is allowed to be a movement of your mind while it is still, since that is how you know you experience a request while your mind is still. Why can your mind not also move in response while being still, thus allowing you to participate in actual dialogue while maintaining stillness? It seems to me that what you are calling stillness is forced passivity of the mind. If you can't be still while the mind responds, then your stillness is conditional and can be disturbed and agitated.
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Post by laughter on Apr 14, 2013 23:35:34 GMT -5
Tzu', You are in complete control as to whether or not these conversations take the form of a battle. You expressed perception of a forum consensus on the notion of "too much thought", and my take on this is that the consensus that you perceive isn't there. I'm willing to go into it if you're curious but with the caveat that it's nothing more than idea-mining and a sort of ironic expression of what it would be an exploration of. Suffice it to say that if I indulge in consideration of the idea of this consensus, I would describe it as very very narrow: attention to certain movements of thought is futile and can lead to a self-reinforcing spinning of the thinking mind. You've also both expressed your own motivation for participating in the conversation and have flat out asked me mine and expressed interest in it in more that one post. If you really want me to construct and tell a story of why I'm in this I will but first you'll have to answer this: Where in the conversation since (starting from here) have I asked you your motivation? It's ok if your answer is "nowhere".
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