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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 10:46:40 GMT -5
I'm not seeing it; at least the positive aspect. Eternal, like infinite, can only be imagined ... and not very well at that. The negative aspect, that the terms merely point to a lack of limitations or boundaries, is easier to understand. But it ain't possible to wrap our little minds around the positive aspect. Of course someone who is Realized may say their mind is informed and knows eternity or infinity, but I'll doubt it 'til I get a taste. Yes, it is an absence only, even for the 'realized'. What is realized is that boundaries are illusions, which is the same as the realization of oneness, infinity and eternity. Don't wrap, just unwrap. I can imagine one day there were at least two going theories. 1. Earth is flat and has an edge. Go too far and you'll fall off or something else. 2. Earth is infinite. Go too far and you won't ever be able to get back, so don't do it. Infinity and eternity are conceptual/imaginary in themselves, requiring the concepts of surpassing boundaries and limitlessness. It's not like you can experience infinity or eternity. It's just purely imaginary and more sparkly carrots. |
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Post by enigma on Aug 26, 2014 19:14:01 GMT -5
Yes, it is an absence only, even for the 'realized'. What is realized is that boundaries are illusions, which is the same as the realization of oneness, infinity and eternity. Don't wrap, just unwrap. I can imagine one day there were at least two going theories. 1. Earth is flat and has an edge. Go too far and you'll fall off or something else. 2. Earth is infinite. Go too far and you won't ever be able to get back, so don't do it. Infinity and eternity are conceptual/imaginary in themselves, requiring the concepts of surpassing boundaries and limitlessness. It's not like you can experience infinity or eternity. It's just purely imaginary and more sparkly carrots. That's right. So if you know the concepts are imaginary, what is the truth behind the imagining? (Don't imagine it, just 'see' it.) |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 8:32:57 GMT -5
I can imagine one day there were at least two going theories. 1. Earth is flat and has an edge. Go too far and you'll fall off or something else. 2. Earth is infinite. Go too far and you won't ever be able to get back, so don't do it. Infinity and eternity are conceptual/imaginary in themselves, requiring the concepts of surpassing boundaries and limitlessness. It's not like you can experience infinity or eternity. It's just purely imaginary and more sparkly carrots. That's right. So if you know the concepts are imaginary, what is the truth behind the imagining? (Don't imagine it, just 'see' it.) There's just now. Eternity and infinity are playgrounds in the mind. Experience is already a step too late. Slapping eternal or infinite onto ________ is just more fun at the masquerade ball. |
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Post by enigma on Aug 27, 2014 10:46:28 GMT -5
That's right. So if you know the concepts are imaginary, what is the truth behind the imagining? (Don't imagine it, just 'see' it.) There's just now. Eternity and infinity are playgrounds in the mind. Experience is already a step too late. Slapping eternal or infinite onto ________ is just more fun at the masquerade ball. Right, it's not about an experience or a concept. Eternity and infinity are just pointers away from the boundaries mind forms. |
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Post by zendancer on Aug 27, 2014 12:57:05 GMT -5
Yes, it is an absence only, even for the 'realized'. What is realized is that boundaries are illusions, which is the same as the realization of oneness, infinity and eternity. Don't wrap, just unwrap. I can imagine one day there were at least two going theories. 1. Earth is flat and has an edge. Go too far and you'll fall off or something else. 2. Earth is infinite. Go too far and you won't ever be able to get back, so don't do it. Infinity and eternity are conceptual/imaginary in themselves, requiring the concepts of surpassing boundaries and limitlessness. It's not like you can experience infinity or eternity. It's just purely imaginary and more sparkly carrots. Amazingly, it IS possible to experience the infinite, but it's just not possible for a person to do so. To paraphrase Jacob Boehm, "Only the Infinite can experience the Infinite, so you must die to the you that is limited and become the You that is unlimited." During CC experiences beingness directly perceives its unlimited nature through some source of perception other than that which is meditated by the intellect. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 13:25:59 GMT -5
I can imagine one day there were at least two going theories. 1. Earth is flat and has an edge. Go too far and you'll fall off or something else. 2. Earth is infinite. Go too far and you won't ever be able to get back, so don't do it. Infinity and eternity are conceptual/imaginary in themselves, requiring the concepts of surpassing boundaries and limitlessness. It's not like you can experience infinity or eternity. It's just purely imaginary and more sparkly carrots. Amazingly, it IS possible to experience the infinite, but it's just not possible for a person to do so. To paraphrase Jacob Boehm, "Only the Infinite can experience the Infinite, so you must die to the you that is limited and become the You that is unlimited." During CC experiences beingness directly perceives its unlimited nature through some source of perception other than that which is meditated by the intellect. As the zeitgeist goes, there are no persons. Persons are illusions. There is just nothing pretending to be something (a person) and nothing pretending to be something trying to be nothing (a seeker) and, in a few cases, nothing aware of being nothing (Truth Realized, etc.). Alternatively there is just everything pretending to be a part of everything (persons), everything manifesting as an imagined part trying to be everything and/or nothing (seeker), and, in a few cases, everything aware of being everything (Sage,etc.). As I understand, the person that has a CC experience temporarily drops the pretense of being something other than everything or nothing. The experience is described as being infinite or eternal in nature. Since it is impossible to articulate the experience accurately, it being fundamentally ineffable, certain words are used in the description that are also fundamentally ineffable like infinite and eternal. |
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Post by laughter on Aug 27, 2014 15:26:45 GMT -5
I can imagine one day there were at least two going theories. 1. Earth is flat and has an edge. Go too far and you'll fall off or something else. 2. Earth is infinite. Go too far and you won't ever be able to get back, so don't do it. Infinity and eternity are conceptual/imaginary in themselves, requiring the concepts of surpassing boundaries and limitlessness. It's not like you can experience infinity or eternity. It's just purely imaginary and more sparkly carrots. Amazingly, it IS possible to experience the infinite, but it's just not possible for a person to do so. To paraphrase Jacob Boehm, "Only the Infinite can experience the Infinite, so you must die to the you that is limited and become the You that is unlimited." During CC experiences beingness directly perceives its unlimited nature through some source of perception other than that which is meditated by the intellect. A few descriptions I've read that fit my memory is that it's not an experience, but obviously, after the fact, there is the appearance of a beginning and an end to it and describing it necessitates making references to an event. |
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Post by silver on Aug 27, 2014 19:47:24 GMT -5
I can imagine one day there were at least two going theories. 1. Earth is flat and has an edge. Go too far and you'll fall off or something else. 2. Earth is infinite. Go too far and you won't ever be able to get back, so don't do it. Infinity and eternity are conceptual/imaginary in themselves, requiring the concepts of surpassing boundaries and limitlessness. It's not like you can experience infinity or eternity. It's just purely imaginary and more sparkly carrots. Amazingly, it IS possible to experience the infinite, but it's just not possible for a person to do so. To paraphrase Jacob Boehm, "Only the Infinite can experience the Infinite, so you must die to the you that is limited and become the You that is unlimited." During CC experiences beingness directly perceives its unlimited nature through some source of perception other than that which is meditated by the intellect. I think/feel that each being is a self-contained unit, that has within its capacity the ability to stretch its capabilities to encompass CC-type experiences, through communication and cooperation with a part or parts of one's self that once was a stranger to one's primary self. The limitlessness is built-in, and is only accessed by such communication and cooperation. A few months ago, I had an experience that I shared here about when I 'allowed' myself to meet the void and it terrified me - albeit for a short time...and incidentally, shortly after my experience, farmer mentioned his own seemingly similar experience. |
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Post by steven on Aug 27, 2014 21:21:18 GMT -5
I can imagine one day there were at least two going theories. 1. Earth is flat and has an edge. Go too far and you'll fall off or something else. 2. Earth is infinite. Go too far and you won't ever be able to get back, so don't do it. Infinity and eternity are conceptual/imaginary in themselves, requiring the concepts of surpassing boundaries and limitlessness. It's not like you can experience infinity or eternity. It's just purely imaginary and more sparkly carrots. Amazingly, it IS possible to experience the infinite, but it's just not possible for a person to do so. To paraphrase Jacob Boehm, "Only the Infinite can experience the Infinite, so you must die to the you that is limited and become the You that is unlimited." During CC experiences beingness directly perceives its unlimited nature through some source of perception other than that which is meditated by the intellect. Yes....said another way, what we experience most of the time is a kind of localized center from which attention is directed within a somewhat limited sphere of experience that is bounded by the range of our sensory perceptions, and imagination....in Samadhi, or Cosmic Consciousness moments, the center from which we direct attention is released, and along with it, the boundaries of the sphere in which that 'center' experiences. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 21:42:28 GMT -5
Amazingly, it IS possible to experience the infinite, but it's just not possible for a person to do so. To paraphrase Jacob Boehm, "Only the Infinite can experience the Infinite, so you must die to the you that is limited and become the You that is unlimited." During CC experiences beingness directly perceives its unlimited nature through some source of perception other than that which is meditated by the intellect. Yes....said another way, what we experience most of the time is a kind of localized center from which attention is directed within a somewhat limited sphere of experience that is bounded by the range of our sensory perceptions, and imagination....in Samadhi, or Cosmic Consciousness moments, the center from which we direct attention is released, and along with it, the boundaries of the sphere in which that 'center' experiences. can sugar taste sugar? |
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Post by steven on Aug 27, 2014 22:03:29 GMT -5
Yes....said another way, what we experience most of the time is a kind of localized center from which attention is directed within a somewhat limited sphere of experience that is bounded by the range of our sensory perceptions, and imagination....in Samadhi, or Cosmic Consciousness moments, the center from which we direct attention is released, and along with it, the boundaries of the sphere in which that 'center' experiences. can sugar taste sugar? Haha, NO. But if you don't manifest the names, and don't become distracted by your own imagined self, if there is only the taste of sugar, is that answer still the same? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 22:10:58 GMT -5
Haha, NO. But if you don't manifest the names, and don't become distracted by your own imagined self, if there is only the taste of sugar, is that answer still the same? when we dont speak the root-meaning of the words we use... that assists us to get lost. Getting lost is so important as it alerts us (step by step) to the depth of our being. Understanding is a deepening process that leads into the center of gravity. Sooner or later, we get absorbed and never leave home again.  |
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Post by tzujanli on Aug 28, 2014 5:26:50 GMT -5
I can imagine one day there were at least two going theories. 1. Earth is flat and has an edge. Go too far and you'll fall off or something else. 2. Earth is infinite. Go too far and you won't ever be able to get back, so don't do it. Infinity and eternity are conceptual/imaginary in themselves, requiring the concepts of surpassing boundaries and limitlessness. It's not like you can experience infinity or eternity. It's just purely imaginary and more sparkly carrots. Amazingly, it IS possible to experience the infinite, but it's just not possible for a person to do so. To paraphrase Jacob Boehm, "Only the Infinite can experience the Infinite, so you must die to the you that is limited and become the You that is unlimited." During CC experiences beingness directly perceives its unlimited nature through some source of perception other than that which is meditated by the intellect. Amazingly,it is the attachment/worship of anything that sets the first boundary, that sets 'it' apart from what the worshiper believes is not 'worthy'.. the worship of nonduality as revealed by the prophet/savior Niz, or the worship of oneness as revealed by the the imagined condition.. sets the believer apart from those not worthy of the believer's approval.. Worship nothing, yet maintain a sacred reverence for the happening.. if you need a 'God', and it seems that most nondualists do, 'God' is Life and Life is 'God'.. the experience, the experiencer, and the experienced are primary, the 'holy trinity'.. the worship of absence/nothingness (advaita), the 'space' in which experience happens, favors only 'one side of the coin', ignoring the other side and the wholeness of the coin and the space in which it exists.. Be still and know, know that you don't 'know'.. the self-proclaimed 'knowing', followed by the predictable 'right/wrong' boundary lectures reveals attachment to the right/wrong-ness believed to define that experiencer's identity.. Let it go, let it be.. just look and see.. |
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Post by sunshine on Aug 28, 2014 14:01:26 GMT -5
Amazingly, it IS possible to experience the infinite, but it's just not possible for a person to do so. To paraphrase Jacob Boehm, "Only the Infinite can experience the Infinite, so you must die to the you that is limited and become the You that is unlimited." During CC experiences beingness directly perceives its unlimited nature through some source of perception other than that which is meditated by the intellect. As the zeitgeist goes, there are no persons. Persons are illusions. There is just nothing pretending to be something (a person) and nothing pretending to be something trying to be nothing (a seeker) and, in a few cases, nothing aware of being nothing (Truth Realized, etc.). Alternatively there is just everything pretending to be a part of everything (persons), everything manifesting as an imagined part trying to be everything and/or nothing (seeker), and, in a few cases, everything aware of being everything (Sage,etc.). As I understand, the person that has a CC experience temporarily drops the pretense of being something other than everything or nothing. The experience is described as being infinite or eternal in nature. Since it is impossible to articulate the experience accurately, it being fundamentally ineffable, certain words are used in the description that are also fundamentally ineffable like infinite and eternal. i decided to post my post as a new thread ---NEVER MIND?
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Post by justlikeyou on Aug 28, 2014 20:32:34 GMT -5
"Between the remembered and the actual there is a basic difference which can be observed from moment to moment. At no point of time is the actual the remembered. A moment back the remembered was actual, in a moment the actual will be the remembered. What makes the actual unique? Obviously it is your sense of being present. In memory and anticipation there is a clear feeling that it is a mental state under observation, while in the actual the feeling is primarily of being present and aware."
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