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Post by andrew on Dec 29, 2012 19:19:52 GMT -5
I understand what you mean when you say 'you know you exist before you have any thought about it', which is why Niz recommends it to spiritual newbies i.e. because they experience being separate. It doesn't apply here. I guess you're just too darn advanced for us around these parts. When can we expect to buy tickets to your world tour? I could lie and say it does apply. I could just pretend that I experience a knowing I exist. I could avoid pointing people to what I understand to be 'freedom' in case it comes across as arrogant. I could just accept that a couple of people on here are as 'advanced as it gets' and not challenge them even though I think they are wrong in some of what they say. I could just shut up I suppose. But then what would be the point in being on here, if I am not going to speak truthfully? Its hard to tell people that make claims of sorts to being 'done' that they are not as done as they think, without sounding like an as.s. And to be honest, looking like an as.s isn't my first choice, I would rather do what I do here without stepping on people's toes. |
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Post by enigma on Dec 29, 2012 19:24:24 GMT -5
No that's just putting the minding on pause for a moment, and it's no doubt delightful. You're looking for the sense of existence in your mind or memory, and I'm saying you know you exist before you have any thought about it. (Afterwards....not so much) Of course you do. Conscious creatures have a sense of existence cuz it's consciousness that brings it about, and conceptualization is not required. I'm not putting mind in pause, that would be stilling the mind (not saying there is anything wrong with doing that), neither am I looking in mind. Its stop, be still and feel what's there. I just did it again. Lightness, joy, and ease. No sense of existence, unless what I am giving label to is what you mean. Stop what if not mind? What is still if not mind? If you're looking to feel existence when you pause the mind, you've already missed it. Existence is closer than any of that. . It does apply to you cuz you somehow leapfrogged over the simplicity of that in your quest for 3.0 enlightenment. |
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Post by andrew on Dec 29, 2012 19:29:05 GMT -5
I'm not putting mind in pause, that would be stilling the mind (not saying there is anything wrong with doing that), neither am I looking in mind. Its stop, be still and feel what's there. I just did it again. Lightness, joy, and ease. No sense of existence, unless what I am giving label to is what you mean. Stop what if not mind? What is still if not mind? If you're looking to feel existence when you pause the mind, you've already missed it. Existence is closer than any of that. . It does apply to you cuz you somehow leapfrogged over the simplicity of that in your quest for 3.0 enlightenment. I'm not pausing the mind, Im not doing anything with the mind. I am literally stopping, being still, and feeling what's there. Again, lightness, ease and joy. Same every time. Whatever happens with the mind as a result of that process is a bi-product. It does stop, but I am not deliberately stopping it. I agree that existence is close, in fact its so dam.n close that it cannot be sensed! Unless we are experiencing a separation from existence. I didn't leapfrog over that, I did all that kind of stuff. |
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Post by silence on Dec 29, 2012 19:31:26 GMT -5
I guess you're just too darn advanced for us around these parts. When can we expect to buy tickets to your world tour? I could lie and say it does apply. I could just pretend that I experience a knowing I exist. I could avoid pointing people to what I understand to be 'freedom' in case it comes across as arrogant. I could just accept that a couple of people on here are as 'advanced as it gets' and not challenge them even though I think they are wrong in some of what they say. I could just shut up I suppose. But then what would be the point in being on here, if I am not going to speak truthfully? Its hard to tell people that make claims of sorts to being 'done' that they are not as done as they think, without sounding like an as.s. And to be honest, looking like an as.s isn't my first choice, I would rather do what I do here without stepping on people's toes. Done with what? |
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Post by enigma on Dec 29, 2012 19:32:16 GMT -5
I guess you're just too darn advanced for us around these parts. When can we expect to buy tickets to your world tour? I could lie and say it does apply. I could just pretend that I experience a knowing I exist. I could avoid pointing people to what I understand to be 'freedom' in case it comes across as arrogant. I could just accept that a couple of people on here are as 'advanced as it gets' and not challenge them even though I think they are wrong in some of what they say. I could just shut up I suppose. But then what would be the point in being on here, if I am not going to speak truthfully? Its hard to tell people that make claims of sorts to being 'done' that they are not as done as they think, without sounding like an as.s. And to be honest, looking like an as.s isn't my first choice, I would rather do what I do here without stepping on people's toes. Serially, the only one making claims of sorts around here is you. How many others have you heard say something like 'Oh, that's for spiritual newbies but doesn't apply to me'? |
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Post by andrew on Dec 29, 2012 19:33:07 GMT -5
I could lie and say it does apply. I could just pretend that I experience a knowing I exist. I could avoid pointing people to what I understand to be 'freedom' in case it comes across as arrogant. I could just accept that a couple of people on here are as 'advanced as it gets' and not challenge them even though I think they are wrong in some of what they say. I could just shut up I suppose. But then what would be the point in being on here, if I am not going to speak truthfully? Its hard to tell people that make claims of sorts to being 'done' that they are not as done as they think, without sounding like an as.s. And to be honest, looking like an as.s isn't my first choice, I would rather do what I do here without stepping on people's toes. Done with what? Take your pick. Done with 'minding' is as good as any right now. |
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Post by enigma on Dec 29, 2012 19:38:33 GMT -5
Stop what if not mind? What is still if not mind? If you're looking to feel existence when you pause the mind, you've already missed it. Existence is closer than any of that. . It does apply to you cuz you somehow leapfrogged over the simplicity of that in your quest for 3.0 enlightenment. I'm not pausing the mind, Im not doing anything with the mind. I am literally stopping, being still, and feeling what's there. That's what pausing the mind means. |
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Post by andrew on Dec 29, 2012 19:39:00 GMT -5
I could lie and say it does apply. I could just pretend that I experience a knowing I exist. I could avoid pointing people to what I understand to be 'freedom' in case it comes across as arrogant. I could just accept that a couple of people on here are as 'advanced as it gets' and not challenge them even though I think they are wrong in some of what they say. I could just shut up I suppose. But then what would be the point in being on here, if I am not going to speak truthfully? Its hard to tell people that make claims of sorts to being 'done' that they are not as done as they think, without sounding like an as.s. And to be honest, looking like an as.s isn't my first choice, I would rather do what I do here without stepping on people's toes. Serially, the only one making claims of sorts around here is you. How many others have you heard say something like 'Oh, that's for spiritual newbies but doesn't apply to me'? I said it because you insist on making it apply to me when it doesn't, no matter how many times I say it doesn't. I am making claims. Should I not be? Would you like me to lie? Or pretend? The irony is that I am totally open to the potential for further growth. The ones whose toes get stepped on usually have an issue with the suggestion that there is room to grow. You are a classic example. You cannot begin to see that there is room for further growth, so you tread on anyone that points beyond where you are 'at' in the process. |
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Post by andrew on Dec 29, 2012 19:41:00 GMT -5
I'm not pausing the mind, Im not doing anything with the mind. I am literally stopping, being still, and feeling what's there. That's what pausing the mind means. Pausing the mind to me means stopping, and then deliberately stopping the mind. I still have no idea where you want me to find this sense of existence if its not lightness, ease and joy that you are talking about. Can you consider the possibility that I experience BEING that sense of existence, so I no longer sense it? |
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Post by enigma on Dec 29, 2012 19:42:17 GMT -5
I could lie and say it does apply. I could just pretend that I experience a knowing I exist. I could avoid pointing people to what I understand to be 'freedom' in case it comes across as arrogant. I could just accept that a couple of people on here are as 'advanced as it gets' and not challenge them even though I think they are wrong in some of what they say. I could just shut up I suppose. But then what would be the point in being on here, if I am not going to speak truthfully? Its hard to tell people that make claims of sorts to being 'done' that they are not as done as they think, without sounding like an as.s. And to be honest, looking like an as.s isn't my first choice, I would rather do what I do here without stepping on people's toes. Done with what? Pretending we're doing sumthin?  |
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Post by silence on Dec 29, 2012 19:44:50 GMT -5
Take your pick. Done with 'minding' is as good as any right now. Take my pick? Are you just making this stuff up as you go along? |
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Post by enigma on Dec 29, 2012 19:50:12 GMT -5
Serially, the only one making claims of sorts around here is you. How many others have you heard say something like 'Oh, that's for spiritual newbies but doesn't apply to me'? I said it because you insist on making it apply to me when it doesn't, no matter how many times I say it doesn't. I am making claims. Should I not be? Would you like me to lie? Or pretend? I don't have an issue with you making claims until you start talking about 'others' who are making claims when you're the only one doing that, and then i point out that you're the only one doing that. You respond to that as though I'm telling you not to make claims. It's an interesting game, this progress deally, isn't it? |
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Post by enigma on Dec 29, 2012 19:56:35 GMT -5
That's what pausing the mind means. Pausing the mind to me means stopping, and then deliberately stopping the mind. Stopping what, and then stopping mind? Have you got something else revved up in the background there? Normally, I would take at your word, but I've come to see you don't understand I Am, or what it means to transcend I Am. |
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Post by andrew on Dec 29, 2012 20:10:52 GMT -5
Take your pick. Done with 'minding' is as good as any right now. Take my pick? Are you just making this stuff up as you go along? Are we not just making this stuff up as we go along? Yeah, take your pick from the many different options. |
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Post by andrew on Dec 29, 2012 20:13:05 GMT -5
I said it because you insist on making it apply to me when it doesn't, no matter how many times I say it doesn't. I am making claims. Should I not be? Would you like me to lie? Or pretend? I don't have an issue with you making claims until you start talking about 'others' who are making claims when you're the only one doing that, and then i point out that you're the only one doing that. You respond to that as though I'm telling you not to make claims. It's an interesting game, this progress deally, isn't it? Yes, it is an interesting game. Its ridiculous to suggest that you and others don't make claims to clarity, being conscious, being awake, truthing, realization, whatever. Its worth me pointing out that although I have made some claims, my view stretches beyond this earth/reality. In a wider scheme of things, I would say I am probably still in kindergarten. |
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