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Post by silence on Apr 1, 2012 19:22:03 GMT -5
Referring to memory IS the problem in the first place. It doesn't matter how refined the stories or concepts become. There's precisely nothing to remember and nothing to know about anything to actually be present. You don't need to identify as oneness or consciousness or anything else you can think of. Nor do you need to remember stories about how oneness is doing this and oh yeah I'm just pretending right now. These are all just mind games to avoid really letting go.
If you look closely it will likely become clear that the que to remember is really in response to thoughts, feelings or experiences you don't seem to like. The propensity to modulate experience can become extremely subtle.
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Post by enigma on Apr 1, 2012 19:43:08 GMT -5
Referring to memory IS the problem in the first place. It doesn't matter how refined the stories or concepts become. There's precisely nothing to remember and nothing to know about anything to actually be present. You don't need to identify as oneness or consciousness or anything else you can think of. Nor do you need to remember stories about how oneness is doing this and oh yeah I'm just pretending right now. These are all just mind games to avoid really letting go. If you look closely it will likely become clear that the que to remember is really in response to thoughts, feelings or experiences you don't seem to like. The propensity to modulate experience can become extremely subtle. Yes, thanks for the two cents. If something has to be remembered it's because clarity isn't present. |
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Post by therealfake on Apr 1, 2012 19:52:26 GMT -5
Referring to memory IS the problem in the first place. It doesn't matter how refined the stories or concepts become. There's precisely nothing to remember and nothing to know about anything to actually be present. You don't need to identify as oneness or consciousness or anything else you can think of. Nor do you need to remember stories about how oneness is doing this and oh yeah I'm just pretending right now. These are all just mind games to avoid really letting go. If you look closely it will likely become clear that the que to remember is really in response to thoughts, feelings or experiences you don't seem to like. The propensity to modulate experience can become extremely subtle. Yes, thanks for the two cents. If something has to be remembered it's because clarity isn't present. Unless pretending clarity becomes part of the game... ;D |
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Post by therealfake on Apr 1, 2012 20:02:02 GMT -5
Referring to memory IS the problem in the first place. It doesn't matter how refined the stories or concepts become. There's precisely nothing to remember and nothing to know about anything to actually be present. You don't need to identify as oneness or consciousness or anything else you can think of. Nor do you need to remember stories about how oneness is doing this and oh yeah I'm just pretending right now. These are all just mind games to avoid really letting go. If you look closely it will likely become clear that the que to remember is really in response to thoughts, feelings or experiences you don't seem to like. The propensity to modulate experience can become extremely subtle. Of course, how can you really pretend to forget yourself, unless your convincingly playing all kinds of mind games? |
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Post by enigma on Apr 1, 2012 20:37:19 GMT -5
Referring to memory IS the problem in the first place. It doesn't matter how refined the stories or concepts become. There's precisely nothing to remember and nothing to know about anything to actually be present. You don't need to identify as oneness or consciousness or anything else you can think of. Nor do you need to remember stories about how oneness is doing this and oh yeah I'm just pretending right now. These are all just mind games to avoid really letting go. If you look closely it will likely become clear that the que to remember is really in response to thoughts, feelings or experiences you don't seem to like. The propensity to modulate experience can become extremely subtle. Of course, how can you really pretend to forget yourself, unless your convincingly playing all kinds of mind games? Like forgetting to remember yourself? ;D |
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Post by therealfake on Apr 1, 2012 21:38:38 GMT -5
Of course, how can you really pretend to forget yourself, unless your convincingly playing all kinds of mind games? Like forgetting to remember yourself? ;D Especially pretending to forget to remember yourself... ;D |
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Post by arisha on Apr 2, 2012 0:21:36 GMT -5
I don't know if Question agrees for that or not, but let me tell you, if you still don't know, tnat science has come to this conclusion already. Natalia Bekhtereva who was the leading specialist in brain investigation in Russia came to the conclusion that the origin of thought is beyond the brain, and beyond the human. She wrote the book "Magic of the Brain". She was the Head of the main scientific Institute which was doing brain studies in Russia at the time when atheism was the main "religion" , and to be the Head of such an Institute a person was supposed to be an atheist, communist, and so on. However she, using scientific methods, had to admit that the results of the investigations prove the fact that the source of thought is beyond the human brain and human body. I doubt whether this is true and whether it has stood up to scientific scrutiny. God-minded and new agey folks always seem to wishfully look to Science to validate their claims. It seems like a fools errand to me. First check it up. Not everything that has been discovered is made public, but you seem not to know about that. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2012 6:56:43 GMT -5
First check it up. Not everything that has been discovered is made public, but you seem not to know about that. How did you find out? Do you have some insider knowledge? Please share any links or titles. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2012 8:17:55 GMT -5
First check it up. Not everything that has been discovered is made public, but you seem not to know about that. How did you find out? Do you have some insider knowledge? Please share any links or titles. Here's some public information I found: www.neurosciencerus.org/NeuroSocietyEn.htmlRuminations by Bekhtereva regarding near death experiences excerpted from her book "Magic of the Brain." news.discovery.com/human/-neuroscience-explains-near-death-110923.htmlPlain vanilla mainstream summation regarding NDEs. If there is a 'consensus' in the scientific world, this might be it. This is all public stuff, so it may not measure up to your nonpublic discoveries. |
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Post by arisha on Apr 2, 2012 23:39:13 GMT -5
I couldn't find any other links about Bekhtereva, because there are very few Russian web based sources of information in the Interenet. So, I cannot share any links. I found it out long ago, in some newspaper article, then I heard about it on a radio program, in Russia. They prefer not to talk much about this opinion regarding the out of brain source of thoughts, at least in Russia.
As for the making public all the information, - they make it public, though not absolutely everything. But when they make it public they can do it in the way that not many people have a chance to find it, because of the limited and restricted possibility to come across such information which is considered to be disproving some basic knowledge .
For ex., I read the interview with a Russian cosmonaut, Leonov, who snared his out of spaceship experience. He said that he had seen unknown spaceships which looked very unusual, and were following our spacecraft, there were lots of them. And he also said that we could never imagine what other forms of life do exist, and that space is inhabited by other living beings. He said that he with his fellow cosmonauts were being watched by them during the whole flight. He said that he had never shared that info before as it was not recommended.
So, not all stuff is made public, or very rarely sometimes, it depends on the stuff.
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Post by merrick on Apr 3, 2012 4:57:44 GMT -5
They prefer not to talk much about this opinion regarding the out of brain source of thoughts, at least in Russia. A Buddhist monk talked on a meditation retreat about thoughts being present in space and human brains attracting them. I don't now whether this is part of the Buddhist teaching in general or his personal realization. Similarly, Canadian businessman John Kehoe, who has made a fortune lecturing about mind power, says that every thought attracts similar thoughts to itself, which to me implies that he also believes that thoughts are received from the outside. And lastly, my girlfriend Lenka has made the same observation during some psychic work where she has found out for herself that the brain is both a receiver and a transmitter of thoughts. And he also said that we could never imagine what other forms of life do exist, and that space is inhabited by other living beings. Oh yes, but most of those beings are invisible to human eyes because they exist on very different frequency levels. P.S. I just hope that someone isn't going to jump in to say that all this is nothing but an illusion. Yes, but sometimes it may also be nice not to talk just from the position of Oneness. Merrick |
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Post by andrew on Apr 3, 2012 6:24:26 GMT -5
sometimes it may also be nice not to talk just from the position of Oneness. Merrick I'm hearing you there Merrick! |
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Post by Portto on Apr 3, 2012 7:40:25 GMT -5
A Buddhist monk talked on a meditation retreat about thoughts being present in space and human brains attracting them. I don't now whether this is part of the Buddhist teaching in general or his personal realization. Similarly, Canadian businessman John Kehoe, who has made a fortune lecturing about mind power, says that every thought attracts similar thoughts to itself, which to me implies that he also believes that thoughts are received from the outside. And lastly, my girlfriend Lenka has made the same observation during some psychic work where she has found out for herself that the brain is both a receiver and a transmitter of thoughts 1. What is the antenna that the brain uses? 2. What is it that sees what the brain does? |
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Post by enigma on Apr 3, 2012 9:37:45 GMT -5
They prefer not to talk much about this opinion regarding the out of brain source of thoughts, at least in Russia. A Buddhist monk talked on a meditation retreat about thoughts being present in space and human brains attracting them. I don't now whether this is part of the Buddhist teaching in general or his personal realization. Similarly, Canadian businessman John Kehoe, who has made a fortune lecturing about mind power, says that every thought attracts similar thoughts to itself, which to me implies that he also believes that thoughts are received from the outside. And lastly, my girlfriend Lenka has made the same observation during some psychic work where she has found out for herself that the brain is both a receiver and a transmitter of thoughts. And he also said that we could never imagine what other forms of life do exist, and that space is inhabited by other living beings. Oh yes, but most of those beings are invisible to human eyes because they exist on very different frequency levels. P.S. I just hope that someone isn't going to jump in to say that all this is nothing but an illusion. Yes, but sometimes it may also be nice not to talk just from the position of Oneness. Merrick The idea that thoughts don't originate in the brain supports oneness. Hawkins and some other nonduality teachers have also said that. |
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Post by arisha on Apr 3, 2012 23:44:43 GMT -5
A Buddhist monk talked on a meditation retreat about thoughts being present in space and human brains attracting them. I don't now whether this is part of the Buddhist teaching in general or his personal realization. Similarly, Canadian businessman John Kehoe, who has made a fortune lecturing about mind power, says that every thought attracts similar thoughts to itself, which to me implies that he also believes that thoughts are received from the outside. And lastly, my girlfriend Lenka has made the same observation during some psychic work where she has found out for herself that the brain is both a receiver and a transmitter of thoughts 1. What is the antenna that the brain uses? 2. What is it that sees what the brain does? The antenna is the brain itself. The brain sees itself. |
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