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Post by enigma on Mar 31, 2012 22:59:16 GMT -5
Conceptual remembering of what? That separation doesn't exist. If you realize that a rope is not a snake, do you need to keep remembering that it is not a snake, or do you just stop thinking it is a snake? |
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Post by arisha on Mar 31, 2012 23:05:34 GMT -5
What is it for to bring down a philosophical concept, and make it become from a philosophical concept some absurd concept? Sorry, I don't understand this question.  There is a philosophical concept: Oneness. When it is applied to the real life situations it starts being either something quite absurd (I am God), or too much simplified (Oneness can be seen in our everyday life). Why to do that? Oneness can and should be discussed on the level of the philosophic discourse, as a philosophical concept which it is. Making an inedible mixture of it is poisonous for mind. |
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Post by Beingist on Mar 31, 2012 23:09:38 GMT -5
If you realize that a rope is not a snake [...] All the talk about ropes and snakes around here compelled me to locate an image ...  |
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Post by enigma on Mar 31, 2012 23:12:59 GMT -5
If you realize that a rope is not a snake [...] All the talk about ropes and snakes around here compelled me to locate an image ... Now that could create some illusion confusion.  |
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Post by arisha on Mar 31, 2012 23:24:54 GMT -5
So, you think the stuff in your brain is not implanted. But the recent researches have proved that it is. If you want to talk about scientific research, talk to Question, though I doubt that he will agree that science has concluded that God implants stuff in souls. I don't know if Question agrees for that or not, but let me tell you, if you still don't know, tnat science has come to this conclusion already. Natalia Bekhtereva who was the leading specialist in brain investigation in Russia came to the conclusion that the origin of thought is beyond the brain, and beyond the human. She wrote the book "Magic of the Brain". She was the Head of the main scientific Institute which was doing brain studies in Russia at the time when atheism was the main "religion" , and to be the Head of such an Institute a person was supposed to be an atheist, communist, and so on. However she, using scientific methods, had to admit that the results of the investigations prove the fact that the source of thought is beyond the human brain and human body. |
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Post by Beingist on Mar 31, 2012 23:27:57 GMT -5
All the talk about ropes and snakes around here compelled me to locate an image ... Now that could create some illusion confusion. Only if they fail to realize that it's just a photo on a computer monitor.  |
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Post by enigma on Mar 31, 2012 23:32:29 GMT -5
If you want to talk about scientific research, talk to Question, though I doubt that he will agree that science has concluded that God implants stuff in souls. I don't know if Question agrees for that or not, but let me tell you, if you still don't know, tnat science has come to this conclusion already. Natalia Bekhtereva who was the leading specialist in brain investigation in Russia came to the conclusion that the origin of thought is beyond the brain, and beyond the human. She wrote a book "Magic of the Brain". She was the Head of the main scientific Institute which was doing brain studies in Russia at the time when atheism was the main "religion" , and to be the Head of such an Institute a person was supposed to be an atheist, communist, and so on. However she, using scientific methods, had to admit that the results of the investigations prove the fact that the source of thought is beyond the human brain and human body. Cool, so she agrees with the rest of us about oneness. ;D |
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Post by onehandclapping on Apr 1, 2012 4:09:54 GMT -5
That separation doesn't exist. If you realize that a rope is not a snake, do you need to keep remembering that it is not a snake, or do you just stop thinking it is a snake? Yeah but then it becomes a real hang up when you realize that it isn't a rope either......  |
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Post by enigma on Apr 1, 2012 9:57:04 GMT -5
If you realize that a rope is not a snake, do you need to keep remembering that it is not a snake, or do you just stop thinking it is a snake? Yeah but then it becomes a real hang up when you realize that it isn't a rope either...... If you can hang yourself with it, it qualifies as a rope. ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2012 10:26:23 GMT -5
If you want to talk about scientific research, talk to Question, though I doubt that he will agree that science has concluded that God implants stuff in souls. I don't know if Question agrees for that or not, but let me tell you, if you still don't know, tnat science has come to this conclusion already. Natalia Bekhtereva who was the leading specialist in brain investigation in Russia came to the conclusion that the origin of thought is beyond the brain, and beyond the human. She wrote the book "Magic of the Brain". She was the Head of the main scientific Institute which was doing brain studies in Russia at the time when atheism was the main "religion" , and to be the Head of such an Institute a person was supposed to be an atheist, communist, and so on. However she, using scientific methods, had to admit that the results of the investigations prove the fact that the source of thought is beyond the human brain and human body. I doubt whether this is true and whether it has stood up to scientific scrutiny. God-minded and new agey folks always seem to wishfully look to Science to validate their claims. It seems like a fools errand to me. |
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Post by therealfake on Apr 1, 2012 11:02:19 GMT -5
That separation doesn't exist. If you realize that a rope is not a snake, do you need to keep remembering that it is not a snake, or do you just stop thinking it is a snake? When driving and you see something coiled up ahead on the road, it's impossible to tell if it is a rope or a snake. How does realizing ropes are not snakes identify an unknown perception, that could be either a rope or a snake? If you think that it's a rope you'll just keep on driving, but if you think its a living creature called a snake, you might just swerve and end up in the ditch. |
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Post by therealfake on Apr 1, 2012 11:05:59 GMT -5
All the talk about ropes and snakes around here compelled me to locate an image ... Now that could create some illusion confusion. Not if you remember that separation doesn't exist. hehe |
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Post by therealfake on Apr 1, 2012 11:09:46 GMT -5
If you realize that a rope is not a snake [...] All the talk about ropes and snakes around here compelled me to locate an image ... Cool picture by the way... |
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Post by enigma on Apr 1, 2012 11:28:34 GMT -5
If you realize that a rope is not a snake, do you need to keep remembering that it is not a snake, or do you just stop thinking it is a snake? When driving and you see something coiled up ahead on the road, it's impossible to tell if it is a rope or a snake. How does realizing ropes are not snakes identify an unknown perception, that could be either a rope or a snake? If you think that it's a rope you'll just keep on driving, but if you think its a living creature called a snake, you might just swerve and end up in the ditch. So you have to keep remembering what, then? Before we lose the context of the discussion completely, the point is just that realization is self evident and ever present, so if what you're seeing is truth, you don't have to remember anything. You never knew some 'true knowledge' to begin with, you just expanded your view so that you not only see the appearances, you see the conceptual boundaries that mind placed around those appearances (when the view was constricted by interpretation, assumption and conclusion), and you don't see any ultimate 'reality' to them. It's what you don't see that is of significance, and you don't have to remember not to see it. I see that peeps here see giraffes all the time that really are not there. I don't see the giraffes they see and I don't have to remind myself that I don't see them. If they don't tell me about them, I don't even know that they see them. I told Arisha that I don't know anything about oneness, but more importantly I don't know anything about separation. I don't see any 'reality' to the boundaries that mind places around objects and locations and moments. Things, space, time, inside, outside, me, you are not things mind perceives, but rather imagines and assumes. |
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Post by therealfake on Apr 1, 2012 11:55:10 GMT -5
When driving and you see something coiled up ahead on the road, it's impossible to tell if it is a rope or a snake. How does realizing ropes are not snakes identify an unknown perception, that could be either a rope or a snake? If you think that it's a rope you'll just keep on driving, but if you think its a living creature called a snake, you might just swerve and end up in the ditch. So you have to keep remembering what, then? Before we lose the context of the discussion completely, the point is just that realization is self evident and ever present, so if what you're seeing is truth, you don't have to remember anything. You never knew some 'true knowledge' to begin with, you just expanded your view so that you not only see the appearances, you see the conceptual boundaries that mind placed around those appearances (when the view was constricted by interpretation, assumption and conclusion), and you don't see any ultimate 'reality' to them. It's what you don't see that is of significance, and you don't have to remember not to see it. I see that peeps here see giraffes all the time that really are not there. I don't see the giraffes they see and I don't have to remind myself that I don't see them. If they don't tell me about them, I don't even know that they see them. I told Arisha that I don't know anything about oneness, but more importantly I don't know anything about separation. I don't see any 'reality' to the boundaries that mind places around objects and locations and moments. Things, space, time, inside, outside, me, you are not things mind perceives, but rather imagines and assumes. Peeps seeing giraffes and believing them real, is forgetting that Oneness is 'pretending' to be a separate person. There is no game of separateness if it's remembered that your just pretending there is. |
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