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Post by silence on Mar 31, 2012 0:10:36 GMT -5
Mind identification is implanted from the outside of the brain. So, it can be called a soul, as it is equivalent to what is meant by the soul. The soul is also implanted by God when He creates life, living beings, making them alive, giving them this 'mind' identification. This is what is meant by imagination. |
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Post by enigma on Mar 31, 2012 1:05:21 GMT -5
There isn't actually a soul that's always at peace. There's just mind identification and the absence of mind identification. Doesn't matter how to call it. I just use a term, soul, to be able to speak on the subject. It is more convinient to use this short word than a whole definition of what is meant in case we speak about the inner condition. Mind identification is implanted from the outside of the brain. So, it can be called a soul, as it is equivalent to what is meant by the soul. The soul is also implanted by God when He creates life, living beings, making them alive, giving them this 'mind' identification. All these speculations about spiritual things are always highly metaphorical, and cannot be other than that. Doesn't matter what you cal it. You invented sumthin that implanted sumthin else in the brain, and all that implanting of stuff is unnecessary. |
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Post by enigma on Mar 31, 2012 1:06:24 GMT -5
Mind identification is implanted from the outside of the brain. So, it can be called a soul, as it is equivalent to what is meant by the soul. The soul is also implanted by God when He creates life, living beings, making them alive, giving them this 'mind' identification. This is what is meant by imagination. Now, at least, we have an official definition of imagination. Hehe. |
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Post by zendancer on Mar 31, 2012 7:37:06 GMT -5
This Oneness which is realized on the level of everyday occurrences is a wonderful thing. I have nothing against it. I only don't understand why it is necessary to attach to it some special meaning which it never has. Or even to try to back it up with philosophizing. It becomes something ridiculous then. I agree with you. There is no special meaning, and there is no reason to back it up with any kind of philosophizing. It is pointed out because it is fun to share common interests and to help other peeps discover that there is a difference between a mind-dominated life and a mind-subservient life. The former usually involves a great deal of psychological suffering, and it's fun telling interested people that an alternative way of life is possible. |
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Post by zendancer on Mar 31, 2012 7:59:45 GMT -5
Being at peace with whatever is happening requires the experience of being at peace with what's happening. How can you be at peace and not experience being at peace? How would you even know? To me anyway, being at peace with what's happening involves a kinda of conceptual remembering, because obviously no one is totally at peace with whatever is happening all the time. I just thought that you meant there was a series of experiences a person went through, finally arriving at the experience of being peaceful, as possible, with whatever was happening. Being at peace, in the way that we are discussing it here, involves no one who is at peace, and no form of conceptual remembering or "checking" on states of mind. It is a kind of flow happening to no one, so there is no gap--no one who is looking back to see how things are going. Sometimes people live life like this for short periods of time--perhaps immediately following an automobile wreck. Peeps become pure action without any reflection. 'Has anybody been hurt?" Get the door open, pull the occupants out, get them away from the car if its on fire, check the bodies for damage, etc. Only later, does the reflective mind reappear and the imagined actor return to the scene. If the imagined actor never returned to check on things or self-reflect, this would be the flow that is being pointed to. In flow there is no idea of projection, inside, or outside because there is no imagining of any separateness. There is just......well.....flow. ;D |
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Post by Beingist on Mar 31, 2012 8:18:09 GMT -5
In flow there is no idea of projection, inside, or outside because there is no imagining of any separateness. There is just......well.....flow. ;D Flow .... works for me!  |
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Post by therealfake on Mar 31, 2012 18:00:45 GMT -5
To me anyway, being at peace with what's happening involves a kinda of conceptual remembering, because obviously no one is totally at peace with whatever is happening all the time. Yeah, I also thought that you meant there was a series of experiences a person went through, finally arriving at the experience of being peaceful, as possible, with whatever was happening. Being at peace, in the way that we are discussing it here, involves no one who is at peace, and no form of conceptual remembering or "checking" on states of mind. It is a kind of flow happening to no one, so there is no gap--no one who is looking back to see how things are going. Sometimes people live life like this for short periods of time--perhaps immediately following an automobile wreck. Peeps become pure action without any reflection. 'Has anybody been hurt?" Get the door open, pull the occupants out, get them away from the car if its on fire, check the bodies for damage, etc. Only later, does the reflective mind reappear and the imagined actor return to the scene. If the imagined actor never returned to check on things or self-reflect, this would be the flow that is being pointed to. In flow there is no idea of projection, inside, or outside because there is no imagining of any separateness. There is just......well.....flow. ;D Yeah, I also thought that what was being discussed here for some time was that we are the peace, we are the happiness, and as you say we are the flow. There is no one here that is at peace or not at peace, happy or not happy, or in or out of the flow. And within the dream there are times when there doesn't seem to be peace or happiness or being in the flow. But the catalyst for setting the perspective right, is a mind-fullness or remembering of the fact that there's no one here. And it seems to me, without that remembering I prolong the perception that happiness, or peace isn't here. In Buddhism, they say that when it is sunny, the rain is here and when it is raining the sun is here. To align with that thought one has to be mindful. That which we are seems more like the equilibrium between the opposites, rather than one polarity or the other. It cares not which polarity is being experienced, because they are both essentially of the same source. Remembering that whatever is seen to be happening, as sunshine or as the rain is really the same thing, Oneness, and as you say the flow. |
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Post by arisha on Mar 31, 2012 21:56:41 GMT -5
Doesn't matter how to call it. I just use a term, soul, to be able to speak on the subject. It is more convinient to use this short word than a whole definition of what is meant in case we speak about the inner condition. Mind identification is implanted from the outside of the brain. So, it can be called a soul, as it is equivalent to what is meant by the soul. The soul is also implanted by God when He creates life, living beings, making them alive, giving them this 'mind' identification. All these speculations about spiritual things are always highly metaphorical, and cannot be other than that. Doesn't matter what you cal it. You invented sumthin that implanted sumthin else in the brain, and all that implanting of stuff is unnecessary. So, you think the stuff in your brain is not implanted. But the recent researches have proved that it is. |
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Post by arisha on Mar 31, 2012 21:58:11 GMT -5
Mind identification is implanted from the outside of the brain. So, it can be called a soul, as it is equivalent to what is meant by the soul. The soul is also implanted by God when He creates life, living beings, making them alive, giving them this 'mind' identification. This is what is meant by imagination. And what about the above? Isn't it also imagination then? |
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Post by arisha on Mar 31, 2012 22:02:32 GMT -5
This Oneness which is realized on the level of everyday occurrences is a wonderful thing. I have nothing against it. I only don't understand why it is necessary to attach to it some special meaning which it never has. Or even to try to back it up with philosophizing. It becomes something ridiculous then. I agree with you. There is no special meaning, and there is no reason to back it up with any kind of philosophizing. It is pointed out because it is fun to share common interests and to help other peeps discover that there is a difference between a mind-dominated life and a mind-subservient life. The former usually involves a great deal of psychological suffering, and it's fun telling interested people that an alternative way of life is possible. It is not about Oneness which is a philosophical concept, and is not so simple at all. |
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Post by Beingist on Mar 31, 2012 22:18:36 GMT -5
I agree with you. There is no special meaning, and there is no reason to back it up with any kind of philosophizing. It is pointed out because it is fun to share common interests and to help other peeps discover that there is a difference between a mind-dominated life and a mind-subservient life. The former usually involves a great deal of psychological suffering, and it's fun telling interested people that an alternative way of life is possible. It is not about Oneness which is a philosophical concept, and is not so simple at all. Sure it is. The person, though, the mind, wants to understand it as a philosophical concept, rather than allow it to simply be What It is. |
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Post by therealfake on Mar 31, 2012 22:26:08 GMT -5
To me anyway, being at peace with what's happening involves a kinda of conceptual remembering, because obviously no one is totally at peace with whatever is happening all the time. Conceptual remembering of what? That separation doesn't exist. |
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Post by arisha on Mar 31, 2012 22:26:39 GMT -5
It is not about Oneness which is a philosophical concept, and is not so simple at all. Sure it is. The person, though, the mind, wants to understand it as a philosophical concept, rather than allow it to simply be What It is. What is it for to bring down a philosophical concept, and make it become from a philosophical concept some absurd concept? |
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Post by Beingist on Mar 31, 2012 22:52:40 GMT -5
Sure it is. The person, though, the mind, wants to understand it as a philosophical concept, rather than allow it to simply be What It is. What is it for to bring down a philosophical concept, and make it become from a philosophical concept some absurd concept? Sorry, I don't understand this question.  |
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Post by enigma on Mar 31, 2012 22:54:34 GMT -5
Doesn't matter what you cal it. You invented sumthin that implanted sumthin else in the brain, and all that implanting of stuff is unnecessary. So, you think the stuff in your brain is not implanted. But the recent researches have proved that it is. If you want to talk about scientific research, talk to Question, though I doubt that he will agree that science has concluded that God implants stuff in souls. |
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