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Post by jay17 on Dec 31, 2015 15:45:29 GMT -5
Ah, we've got that all the time here. That's the split mind in action, one compartment fighting with another compartment, that's all. Laffy may call it a 'Jay-fight'.  Considering both tano and Envy are working\"fighting" to have me removed from the forum, or censored\forced to change myself to suit another at least...then it seems to me it's tano and Envy who operate from "split mind". ( please note i have no idea of what "split mind" means, other than i assume it's something elitist Advaitaists term as some abhorrant element of human nature that they no longer have because of some mental ritual they have performed on themselves.) |
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Post by laughter on Jan 1, 2016 6:35:37 GMT -5
Ah, we've got that all the time here. That's the split mind in action, one compartment fighting with another compartment, that's all. Laffy may call it a 'Jay-fight'. Considering both tano and E nvy are working\"fighting" to have me removed from the forum, or censored\forced to change myself to suit another at least...then it seems to me it's tano and Envy who operate from "split mind". ( please note i have no idea of what "split mind" means, other than i assume it's something elitist Advaitaists term as some abhorrant element of human nature that they no longer have because of some mental ritual they have performed on themselves.) . I have not asked that you be removed from the forum, only that you regulate your hate speech. |
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Post by jay17 on Jan 1, 2016 9:27:23 GMT -5
Ah, we've got that all the time here. That's the split mind in action, one compartment fighting with another compartment, that's all. Laffy may call it a 'Jay-fight'. Considering both tano and Envy are working\"fighting" to have me removed from the forum, or censored\forced to change myself to suit another at least...then it seems to me it's tano and Envy who operate from "split mind". ( please note i have no idea of what "split mind" means, other than i assume it's something elitist Advaitaists term as some abhorrant element of human nature that they no longer have because of some mental ritual they have performed on themselves.) . I have not asked that you be removed from the forum, only that you regulate your hate speech. Oh, Envy, you're potentially incorrigible. Still leaving out clearly expressed info in order to believe another is wrong. The bolded text clearly shows i am aware of your part in the anti jay drama. If i were ever so inclined to get into formal debating, i would always relish to see you on the opposing team. But even just imagining that scenario does not bode well with me...the thought of beating up another... ...i see no benefit to anyone by thinking i am better than another. And delicious irony coming as you seek to force me to not do what you liberally do. I see balancing contrasts between us. You denigrate me like your life depends on it, and i am not in the least bit offended by your continuing disrespectful behavior. I rarely express myself disrespectfully(whether actual disrespect or another perceives it as such), and you're mainfesting super saiyan rage about it, to the point you literally did not have the capacity to handle the incident and thus sought help from admin. Whatever you're on, path or otherwise, i'm good thanks, and i genuinely hope you develop yourself to the point where... "People are not disturbed by things, but by the views that they take of them." - Epictetus "If you are distressed by anything external, the pain is not due to the thing itself, but to your estimate of it; and this you have the power to revoke at any moment." - Marcus Aurelius "We are no longer puppets being manipulated by outside powerful forces; we become the powerful force ourselves. " - Leo Buscaglia "The self-controlled soul, who moves amongst sense objects, free from either attachment or repulsion, he wins eternal peace." - Bhagavad Gita "Our ultimate freedom is the right and power to decide how anybody or anything outside ourselves will affect us." - Stephen R. Covey "The way of the superior man is threefold, but I am not equal to it. Virtuous, he is free from anxieties; Wise, he is free from perplexities; Bold, he is free from fear." - Confucius "He has great tranquility of heart who cares neither for the praises nor the fault-finding of men." - Honore' de Balzac |
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Post by jay17 on Jan 2, 2016 5:01:55 GMT -5
Jay, one more time... just because I love you. I have no interest in this form of love... Jay, of all the people I have ever interacted with online - you are the most repulsive. There is zero ability on your part to RELATE to anything people say and write to you. All you see is all that your mind conjures up. Your mind is truly sick. There is practically no one left on the Forum, whom you can carry on a conversation with. It doesn't matter what their views and perspectives are.... most of them feel disinclined to continue interactions with you for your absence of courtesy and civility. If not one, not two, not three, but most people feel you better be left alone.... perhaps it's a sign to stop blaming all and have a good hard look in the mirror instead. I will not correspond with you anymore. You are beyond hope. You say ..for if there is nothing wrong with the world, and it's all beautiful, and i am a part of the world, then you should not seek to have me removed, you should be enjoying me because i am beautiful and there's nothing wrong with how i express myself. A rock falls on my head from the side of the mountain. I don't perceive it as having a malicious intent, it simply fell on my head unconsciously. I cannot scold it - it will not understand me. I cannot be angry with it - it was not the rock's fault. It fell simply because the laws of physics conspired in such a way at that particular moment in time. But it doesn't mean I should choose to stand by the side of that mountain under the shower of rocks. I have enough common sense to move out of the way and let them fall, but NOT on top of me. I don't have to enjoy what is not enjoyable. You are not ugly or wrong. You are what you are. You are that rock. 1. You may say you have enough common sense to avoid a falling rock that has no malicious intent, yet clearly evidenced by your actions, you do not use it...for instead of avoiding the rock's non malicious behavior, you seek to remove the rock from your environment, as you seek to have me removed from this forum. Are you even self aware enough to perceive that your actions do not align with your words. 2. If you perceive\judge\conclude there is no malicious intent in my forum behavior, why state these things about me... Jay, of all the people I have ever interacted with online - you are the most repulsive. There is zero ability on your part to RELATE to anything people say and write to you. All you see is all that your mind conjures up. Your mind is truly sick. There is practically no one left on the Forum, whom you can carry on a conversation with. It doesn't matter what their views and perspectives are.... most of them feel disinclined to continue interactions with you for your absence of courtesy and civility. If not one, not two, not three, but most people feel you better be left alone.... perhaps it's a sign to stop blaming all and have a good hard look in the mirror instead. I will not correspond with you anymore. You are beyond hope. 3. You claim you cannot scold me for my non malicious forum behavior, yet the evidence is clearly seen(above) that you have. 4. You say, "I don't have to enjoy what is not enjoyable." How can you say there are things in the world that you perceive\judge\conclude are not enjoyable when you previously stated everything in the world is right and beautiful.... And another point... there is nothing wrong with the world we live in. It is beautiful and full of contrasts. ...your statements continue to either conflict with other statments you make or with your actions. I love you in the same way I love all that exists in this world. I have no interest in your form of love, tano. For if you love all that exists in this world, the logical conclusion is you also love war, murder, rape and pedophilia. The world may not always be pleasant or agreeable, but it is what it is. How can this be when you previously stated, and have not recanted this claim, that... And another point... there is nothing wrong with the world we live in. It is beautiful and full of contrasts. I can take action when things go out of hand. I can step away from falling rocks. Yet you do not, you seek to have the rocks removed from your environment. So.. Why should you be removed? Well... rocks never want to or need to become anything more than rocks. Putting aside your claim you know the true nature of actual rocks...why should a non malicious rock be removed when you state you have the ability to simply avoid them. If a rock non maliciously just falls down on the ground due to the natural forces of reality, and does not roll around after you once it's landed, your desire to have this rock removed from your environment suggests you are deeply offended or frightened this rock will leap up and attack you. You are content with your state of being, right? Yep, i used to be severely messed up, wounded, dysfunctional, fearful, confused, struggling to cope with normal day to day living, severe depression and anxiety, suicidal since i was 7...started my "Know Thyself " journey back in my early 20's, got deeply serious about it in my early 30's, close to fully sorted mid 2009..so yeah, very content with the results of my years of dedicated self healing efforts...and am still continuing on this journey. Why are you here in this Forum? To hang with my fellow human being travellers. You disagree with most things expressed here. If that's what you see, then that's what you see. I see it differently. I disagree with things i disagree with, and i agree with things i agree with. You may keep score if you need or desire to, it is of no concern to me. You argue with people. It goes against your inner understandings and perceptions... Well it seems logical that i will disagree with their statements that do not align with my current understanding and perception. Why, have you encountered people who disagree with things they agree with? you said there are other Forums you can participate in... why be here? Like Benjamin Mee said in 'We bought a Zoo'...why not? Do you have a problem with me being here and expressing my self equally as others do? Why are you here? Be honest. You seem to me to be under the impression i have been dishonest during my time here. Tarot Hermit is about understanding Solitude and LEARNING to transmit whatever understandings were gained - to others. To be locked in an introspection mode without capacity for that transmission to another - is the Hermit's suffering and the limitation to be overcome. Those statements are far removed from my understanding of the hermit nature. I asked you to step back into Solitude for a short while, to make things seen more clearly, for that's where you gain most. Not for me - for you. Can you do that? Yes, you do seem to have a propensity to think you know the state of a person's being and then tell them what they need to do. It seems to me that one possible reason why you percieve\judge\conclude i am not seeing clearly is because my thoughts do not align with yours, when i do not accept yours, when i disagree with you. It goes something like this,"Oh, jay does not see what i see, this can only mean he has sight issues, i will tell him this because i know what i see is the absolute truth about existence, and he and everyone else here needs to hear it." Feel free to express yourself in any way you need or desire to, tano. I will read what you have said and may express my thoughts on them. If you do not like it if i disagree with you, or i challenge or deeply analyse your claims, ask for clarification or evidence to back them up, then simply avoid interacting with me. Most people in this forum know i am not a fanboy of Advaita, or any philosophy that claims this reality is an illusion, or any anti Mind or Ego philosophies. If these are your favs and you are easily offended when i don't appreciate them as you do, then simply avoid interacting with me...or continue as you have and utter all manner of arrogant self righteous denigration of me and my thoughts...i will not try to stop you. |
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Post by jay17 on Jan 2, 2016 5:16:55 GMT -5
I've skim read the gist of it, so apologies if my understanding isn't totally on the mark. Apology sincerely accepted. I have expressed my thoughts on trolling and the trolling accusations against me in the response PM to you, Peter, i have nothing further to add. Plus, the last tano response i just posted, that's from a few days ago. I've said all i wanted to say to tano in this thread. |
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Post by starship on Jan 21, 2016 5:28:49 GMT -5
Laughter pulled me in to this thread. I've skim read the gist of it, so apologies if my understanding isn't totally on the mark. As far as the Laughter's complaint about Jay's not-very-veiled insulting post goes, I thought that Tano gave as good as she got in reply, so I'll judge that one a draw. How he managed to go from this... "And another point... there is nothing wrong with the world we live in. It is beautiful and full of contrasts. There is no knowing peace without knowing war."... to that... "When someone tells me they see nothing wrong with war, murder, rape, pedophilia, and other such horrid behavior humans inflict on each other, and state all that is beautiful, i consider a few options..."
... is beyond me. Well it's a straw man argument. I thought your point Tano was well made - we need to have seen the darkness in order to appreciate the light. Contrast as you say; I agree. You did not say there's nothing wrong with it, and you didn't say war was beautiful. Jay distorted and polarised what you said so that he'd have something to disagree with. I don't know if he's aware of doing that or not. I suspect not, and it's a common internet game to then say "AH HA! You feel into my trap". For me, this subject gets to the heart of the spiritual life: Is the world perfect as it is, or do we work to try and change it to how we think it "should be" ? Both Jay and SDP get points in my book for reflecting back to Tano that she flip-flopped from one to the other, which I don't think she's seen yet. My view is that Jay - and this is reminding me of our one time contributor Q -is trolling and then making the suggestion that he's performing a service to his victim in reflecting their hypocrisy, ego and myopia back to them. Which he is, true yes, but the method is flawed. When the egos have become engaged during trolling, it's next to impossible to step back from that and see the truth of the matter. I think. So Jay, two things come to mind: - Needing recognition from others, be it spiritual or intellectual, is probably going to cause you to engage in mind games that other people don't enjoy playing.
- Pricking the balloon of another's claims to spiritual attainment is going to cause arguments. It can be done - with great care - but if someone isn't ready to see it, they won't see it. The wise man would walk away at that point, I think.
Our Guidelines for forum behaviour are clear so, Jay, you can either stop the trolling or leave the board. Peter PS Tano, at 857 posts and a Senior Member you cannot be considered a "Poor wee Newbie" (I paraphrase), so that plea doesn't wash. I think you're quite able to look after yourself as far as trolling and insulting are concerned - as your attempts to have a member banned by sending PMs to Moderators show. You're a main player too. Read more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/user/3/recent#ixzz3xsCquICynot my experience at all--once you are free, you completely forget your former ego, your troubles...there is only this delicious freedom-- only those still steeped in duality make such remarks--i gather you both are,tano and peter, which is no shame , it just isnt as you think-- even when you still see folk suffer around you, you also see it is just a tiny thing they carry around with them which seems to make their life so hard. And in no way does it affect your freedom.And in no way you appreciate the freedom BECAUSE others suffer...it is your natural state--you feel, you know , you´ve always been like that--free.  |
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Post by laughter on Jan 22, 2016 16:37:51 GMT -5
ok, so now that that's over, I have a question about Jed's books for anyone that's read past the first one.
In the course of the forum dialog I got the impression that Jed had written in some depth about the process of becoming conscious, and had termed it something along the lines of coming into human adulthood. Now, in the first book, this is mentioned, but essentially only in passing. I got the first book for Sue -- a story I related deep in the endless megathread -- and she really both enjoyed it, and seemed to have been changed by it.
So my question is, does Jed write more about the process of becoming conscious in the 2nd and 3rd books of the trilogy?
Thanks in advance.
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Post by Theodore on Jan 22, 2016 21:40:23 GMT -5
ok, so now that that's over, I have a question about Jed's books for anyone that's read past the first one. In the course of the forum dialog I got the impression that Jed had written in some depth about the process of becoming conscious, and had termed it something along the lines of coming into human adulthood. Now, in the first book, this is mentioned, but essentially only in passing. I got the first book for Sue -- a story I related deep in the endless megathread -- and she really both enjoyed it, and seemed to have been changed by it. So my question is, does Jed write more about the process of becoming conscious in the 2nd and 3rd books of the trilogy? Thanks in advance. Not in terrible detail. Most of it is stories. Useful stories. If you mean stories about becoming conscious, about the process generally, yes, yet he doesn't delve into details terribly much. They are pretty enjoyable, and if you enjoy his style and are interested in his message, you'll find a lot of information into it. The 'Theory of Everything' book is probably the most technical one of the bunch. His forum is down right now, by the way. From the looks of it, he must have just blown it up. ps: I'm interested in reading that endless megathread Sue story (who's Sue?) |
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Post by laughter on Jan 23, 2016 3:31:00 GMT -5
ok, so now that that's over, I have a question about Jed's books for anyone that's read past the first one. In the course of the forum dialog I got the impression that Jed had written in some depth about the process of becoming conscious, and had termed it something along the lines of coming into human adulthood. Now, in the first book, this is mentioned, but essentially only in passing. I got the first book for Sue -- a story I related deep in the endless megathread -- and she really both enjoyed it, and seemed to have been changed by it. So my question is, does Jed write more about the process of becoming conscious in the 2nd and 3rd books of the trilogy? Thanks in advance. Not in terrible detail. Most of it is stories. Useful stories. If you mean stories about becoming conscious, about the process generally, yes, yet he doesn't delve into details terribly much. They are pretty enjoyable, and if you enjoy his style and are interested in his message, you'll find a lot of information into it. The 'Theory of Everything' book is probably the most technical one of the bunch. His forum is down right now, by the way. From the looks of it, he must have just blown it up. ps: I'm interested in reading that endless megathread Sue story (who's Sue?) Thanks for the summary. Sue's my wife. The story is here. |
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Post by Reefs on Jan 25, 2016 9:09:02 GMT -5
Ah, we've got that all the time here. That's the split mind in action, one compartment fighting with another compartment, that's all. Laffy may call it a 'Jay-fight'. Considering both tano and Envy are working\"fighting" to have me removed from the forum, or censored\forced to change myself to suit another at least...then it seems to me it's tano and Envy who operate from "split mind". ( please note i have no idea of what "split mind" means, other than i assume it's something elitist Advaitaists term as some abhorrant element of human nature that they no longer have because of some mental ritual they have performed on themselves.) Hey Jay, what's up? How's the crusading going? Making any headway? |
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Post by jay17 on Jan 25, 2016 15:52:23 GMT -5
Hey Jay, what's up? How's the crusading going? Making any headway? 1. - a direction - a word - title of a movie - the number of ST sock puppets and internet clowns. - not my IQ since interacting-listening to you, enigma, Robert Paulson, gopal, slap panda and most other Advaita devotees. - i'm about to embark on a pointless 15 page answering frenzy ( i confident Robert Paulson will win, but not against me...hmm, me wonder if he will take this bait) 2. which crusade are you referring to as there are many occuring throughtout the world. 3. i am progressing quite well on my life journey, thanks for asking. |
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Post by laughter on Jan 25, 2016 15:57:56 GMT -5
Hey Jay, what's up? How's the crusading going? Making any headway? 1. - a direction - a word - title of a movie - the number of ST sock puppets and internet clowns. - not my IQ since interacting-listening to you, enigma, Robert Paulson, gopal, slap panda and most other Advaita devotees. - i'm about to embark on a pointless 15 page answering frenzy ( i confident Robert Paulson will win, but not against me...hmm, me wonder if he will take this bait)
2. which crusade are you referring to as there are many occuring throughtout the world. 3. i am progressing quite well on my life journey, thanks for asking. Please either delete this post or I'll report it. You'e been warned about trolling in this thread once already, and while you were clearly provoked, it wasn't by me. |
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Post by jay17 on Jan 25, 2016 17:44:34 GMT -5
Please go ahead and report me, you do what your feelings are urging you to do.
I am well aware i have been warned and accused of trolling.
I remind you i have chosen to dismiss the warning as none of my accusers, including Peter, have chosen to discuss their accusation with me to determine accuracy, and you must know my attitude by now that i have no problem in allowing others to say whatever they want or need to about me.
Reefs, enigma, you, or any of the other folks here who construct their identities based on their beliefs, do not wield anything that i judge provocative that i would uncontrolably react to.
Reefs is simply being his typical immature smarta$$ self, so i have responded in kind, as it seems that's what he's into, that's the kind of dialogue he prefers with people who do not share his beliefs or he does not like.
And Robert Paulson, please stick to the role you are good at, as impartial mediator is not your strong suit.
Unless you are working towards change, and if so, it will take a whle to undo the years of damage done by your usual behavior.
You do realise an actual troll will not publicly state they are baiting, right?
The whole point of trolling is to maintain a kayfabe of not being one.
You simply can't genuinely troll others if you publicly state you are one, people will no longer give you the genuine responses you want or need.
Perhaps this is like when a chick tells another chick to go find another corner to work on, perhaps i am stepping on the toes of people who have claimed ST is their corner of cyberspace, and they feel threatened by my presence...who can say for sure, but it's always fascinating when you, reefs, enigma or farmer stick their noses in something that is none of their business and post a smarta$$ comment.
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Post by Peter on Jan 25, 2016 21:03:22 GMT -5
I'm aware I'm due you a reply Jay and you made some good points in your PM. I asked Laughter about one in particular. To be honest that wall-o-text you sent my way was quite overwhelming and - you may not know - I do like to address every point that someone makes but in this case it may not be possible.
You've been accused of being "Q" haven't you? You've got a lot in common with him. Same lack of claim to "attainment" and lack of tolerance of those who do.
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Post by laughter on Jan 26, 2016 0:31:02 GMT -5
I'm aware I'm due you a reply Jay and you made some good points in your PM. I asked Laughter about one in particular. To be honest that wall-o-text you sent my way was quite overwhelming and - you may not know - I do like to address every point that someone makes but in this case it may not be possible. You've been accused of being "Q" haven't you? You've got a lot in common with him. Same lack of claim to "attainment" and lack of tolerance of those who do. P I'll refrain from the formal report at this point Peter, thanks for your ongoing attention to the thread. To be clear, what I'm complaining about in this instance isn't all that extreme by any yardstick, but in this: if he will take this bait .. jay made his intentions very clear, and rather than let the slipperly-slope slide happen I'd rather bring it to your attention now instead of when it really goes off the rails. If he'd written it to me in private or in UM of course I wouldn't have thought twice about it. But historically, the foodfights have never been a part of the Spiritual Teachers section of the forum. Maxdprophet once commented on how the quality of the content in this section was, in his opinion, in parts, "pure gold". Please notice that there was no reason for jay to involve me in his response to reefs, and no, jay isn't the new member that I guessed might have been Q'. Also, if you'll notice, after your warning, jay never really stopped: i have no idea of what "split mind" means, other than i assume it's something elitist Advaitaists term as some abhorrant element of human nature that they no longer have because of some mental ritual they have performed on themselves. |
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