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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2015 7:23:41 GMT -5
If you delete your post, I'll delete this one and if he deletes his, and you delete yours, I'll delete mine  but no, it would be better to just report it. I doubt ZD will ban this joker, but Peter might.. if you force him to read enough of those passive aggressive ramblings |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2015 11:54:18 GMT -5
and if he deletes his, and you delete yours, I'll delete mine but no, it would be better to just report it. I doubt ZD will ban this joker, but Peter might.. if you force him to read enough of those passive aggressive ramblings Thanks, Farmer. He doesn't know what he does.  forgive him if you want, Father, but I'll prolly just keep mocking the troll |
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Post by jay17 on Dec 26, 2015 14:37:12 GMT -5
But Envy, you are missing the point, as does tano and all the others who dislike me and\or my thoughts...well either missing the point or strongly disturbed and choosing to avoid it. If you hurl enough insults at someone, and they react to you, all it really means is that they've decided not to tolerate your insults. You draw fantastic conclusions that have little to do with what's actually been written on the dialog, and it's based on images you're projecting onto people that have nothing to do with any other fact than they've decided not to tolerate the insults. The point is, if tano is adversely disturbed by me...so much for tano's lofty spiritual claim... And another point... there is nothing wrong with the world we live in. It is beautiful and full of contrasts. ...if tano actually lived what she proclaims, she would not be adversely affected by anything i say. I see no rational behind proclaiming something about existence but not being a living example of it. |
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Post by Theodore on Dec 26, 2015 15:32:51 GMT -5
But Envy, you are missing the point, as does tano and all the others who dislike me and\or my thoughts...well either missing the point or strongly disturbed and choosing to avoid it. If you hurl enough insults at someone, and they react to you, all it really means is that they've decided not to tolerate your insults. You draw fantastic conclusions that have little to do with what's actually been written on the dialog, and it's based on images you're projecting onto people that have nothing to do with any other fact than they've decided not to tolerate the insults. The point is, if tano is adversely disturbed by me...so much for tano's lofty spiritual claim... And another point... there is nothing wrong with the world we live in. It is beautiful and full of contrasts. ...if tano actually lived what she proclaims, she would not be adversely affected by anything i say. I see no rational behind proclaiming something about existence but not being a living example of it. Maybe the adversion is part of the beauty and the contrast. I see no inconsistency. Also, even if there was... I like those sayings: *"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" *"Q: You smoke? M: My body kept a few habits which may as well continue till it dies. There is no harm in them. Q: You eat meat? M: I was born among meat-eating people and my children are eating meat. I eat very little -- and make no fuss. Q: Meat-eating implies killing. M: Obviously. I make no claims of consistency. You think absolute consistency is possible; prove it by example. Don't preach what you do not practise." Nothing is consistent, and why it should be? Every moment brings something new to be taken into account. To ignore that would really be foolish. (Not that I disagree with all you're saying jay, nor do I necessarily think you are a malicious troll  ) |
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Post by jay17 on Dec 26, 2015 15:40:56 GMT -5
... When someone tells me they see nothing wrong with war, murder, rape, pedophilia, and other such horrid behavior humans inflict on each other, and state all that is beautiful, i consider a few options... - the person is consciously trolling...saying idiotic things to incite outrage and start a conversation where they can continue trolling and keep the disingenuous convo going, usually for their own enjoyment. - the person actually has a very low level of intellect, which can be coupled with a low level of self awareness, so that they may not have the ability to think things through and realize or be aware of what they have said. - they are so heavily indoctrinated by a religion or philosophy, that the idiotic statements they make actually appears profound to them. ... Please either delete this post or I'm going to report it. You've essentially called tano an idiotic elitist troll with a low level of intellect who says idiot things to incite outrage and/or is so heavily indoctrinated by religion or philosophy that her idiotic statements appear profound to her. You've hidden it behind "when someone tells me they see nothing wrong with war then this person", but it's obviously a sham. If you delete your post, I'll delete this one, but not only does this not belong outside the Unmoderated section of the site, it's bordering on the type of abuse and hate speech that is prohibited by proboards. I genuinely appreciate your politeness, Envy, rare that it is. Perhaps the good nature of myself and others here is rubbing off on you. However, i see no reason to delete my post, and by all means, report it if you feel so inclined...if you are so deeply disturbed...and if zendancer judges it should be deleted then deleted it shall be and i shall not be disturbed by the decision. Envy, you are of course free and entitled to interpret my post anyway you choose. If you interpret i have essentially called tano those things cited, then that is what it looks like to you, and may your conclusions serve you well. My interpretation is different from yours though. I have clearly expressed them as three options - possibilities. I have no idea which one is correct or if any are correct. They are simply my theories\speculations of why tano (or anyone else, as i have seen a few others say the same thing) would state that there's nothing wrong with war, murder, rape and pedophilia, and they are beautiful experiences. I stand by my theories as to why she would say such a thing. I am not disturbed by her statement, i simply ponder what kind of mentality\mindset is operating to utter such a thing. Perhaps tano has another explanation why she would say what i think is an idiotic statement..but she has declined. I responded to tano's various claims and statements here <---the bad norty post that you want removed. I ended it with this... Either way, i do not expect to have sensible convos with people who have mindsets as expressed above. What i expect is more of the same; a self righteous elitist response where anything contrary to the beliefs securely held in their mindtanks, or the person who expresses contrary thoughts, is treated dismissively, condescendingly, or flat out verbally attacked...and sometimes they express either a genuine or disingenuous compassion towards the other for not knowing or perceiving existence as enlightened as they perceive themselves to be. ...and sure enough, this is the response i received...
Jay, of all the people I have ever interacted with online - you are the most repulsive. There is zero ability on your part to RELATE to anything people say and write to you. All you see is all that your mind conjures up. Your mind is truly sick. There is practically no one left on the Forum, whom you can carry on a conversation with. It doesn't matter what their views and perspectives are.... most of them feel disinclined to continue interactions with you for your absence of courtesy and civility. If not one, not two, not three, but most people feel you better be left alone.... perhaps it's a sign to stop blaming all and have a good hard look in the mirror instead. I will not correspond with you anymore. You are beyond hope. ...no discussion of the subject matter, just a slew of denigrative comments about my self. Which has nothing to do with the topics being discussed, and i interpret character attacks as simply a defence mechanism to avoid them And like i said way back in my first encounter with tano, i do not see i will be having any rational discussions with her. |
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Post by jay17 on Dec 26, 2015 16:07:23 GMT -5
But Envy, you are missing the point, as does tano and all the others who dislike me and\or my thoughts...well either missing the point or strongly disturbed and choosing to avoid it.The point is, if tano is adversely disturbed by me...so much for tano's lofty spiritual claim......if tano actually lived what she proclaims, she would not be adversely affected by anything i say. I see no rational behind proclaiming something about existence but not being a living example of it. Maybe the adversion is part of the beauty and the contrast. I see no inconsistency. Also, even if there was... I like those sayings: (Not that I disagree with all you're saying jay, nor do I necessarily think you are a malicious troll) Adversely affected - aggrieved, hurt, ill-treated, impaired, innlicted with injury, injured, wronged. If a person perceives suffering as beautiful, i see no reason to interfere with how they choose to live. But if a person tries to make me or those i love suffer because they think it will be a beautiful experience for me\us, i will intercede. I will not allow another to inflict pain on me or those i love, regardless of how good and beautiful they believe it to be. I've slowly learnt\developed and now have a beneficial relationship with my pain system, but i do not regard it as rational, beneficial or loving to go out of my way to inflict pain on my being and on others. Theowhy, feel free to express your true thoughts and feelings about me, be they pos or neg, i don't mind at all. "He has great tranquility of heart who cares neither for the praises nor the fault-finding of men." - Honore' de Balzac I have already shared a coupla indepth posts about trolling and people accusing others of being so. History is full of people here having the capacity to accuse me of being a troll, but lacking the capacity to indepthly discuss their accusation to see if it's true or not. |
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Post by Theodore on Dec 26, 2015 16:59:50 GMT -5
Adversely affected - aggrieved, hurt, ill-treated, impaired, innlicted with injury, injured, wronged. If a person perceives suffering as beautiful, i see no reason to interfere with how they choose to live. But if a person tries to make me or those i love suffer because they think it will be a beautiful experience for me\us, i will intercede. I will not tolerate people trying to enforce their beliefs upon me and those i love. I've slowly learnt\developed and now have a beneficial relationship with my pain system, but i do not regard it as rational, beneficial or loving to go out of my way to inflict pain on my being and on others. Theowhy, feel free to express your true thoughts and feelings about me, be they pos or neg, i don't mind at all. "He has great tranquility of heart who cares neither for the praises nor the fault-finding of men." - Honore' de Balzac I have already shared a coupla indepth posts about trolling and people accusing others of being so. History is full of people here having the capacity to accuse me of being a troll, but lacking the capacity to indepthly discuss their accusation to see if it's true or not. My thought right now is that it's a great aspiration to have, what de Balzac writes. I was dancing yesterday, and a guy stood by the sidelines and started to personally comment on my dancing behavior very negatively. I think I heard him threatening to fight me (we have a bit of history). It kind of shook me up, ruined the dance a bit, I was ready to go and confront him (I mean ask him what he's doing). But after the dance I got better, and started thinking (slowly, consciously) how to deal with this. Maybe I'll have to confront him for his aggresiveness, but the point is, there is power to not being affected by such matters. It also means you are not identifying with image. Anyways, the person trying to inflict pain on me and others, principally has the pain himself. It's his burden. If there is strong disturbance from his behavior on my part, that's my burden, self-inflicted or not, it's irrelevant. Nothing is self-inflicted, but on a certain level it's on me to handle (on another level, all is on god,and there is only this another level). It's on me to learn to handle that, both internally and externally. On that level, my business is to change if needed my behavior, and the other's business... well the other's business is not my business. |
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Post by laughter on Dec 26, 2015 22:11:00 GMT -5
If you delete your post, I'll delete this one and if he deletes his, and you delete yours, I'll delete mine but no, it would be better to just report it. I doubt ZD will ban this joker, but Peter might.. if you force him to read enough of those passive aggressive ramblings Yeah, Peter's our man here, but given that this is the "Spiritual Teachers" section we might even be able to get Shawn's interest. |
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Post by laughter on Dec 27, 2015 1:45:50 GMT -5
When someone tells me they see nothing wrong with war, murder, rape, pedophilia, and other such horrid behavior humans inflict on each other, and state all that is beautiful, i consider a few options... - the person is consciously trolling...saying idiotic things to incite outrage and start a conversation where they can continue trolling and keep the disingenuous convo going, usually for their own enjoyment. - the person actually has a very low level of intellect, which can be coupled with a low level of self awareness, so that they may not have the ability to think things through and realize or be aware of what they have said. - they are so heavily indoctrinated by a religion or philosophy, that the idiotic statements they make actually appears profound to them. Either way, i do not expect to have sensible convos with people who have mindsets as expressed above. What i expect is more of the same; a self righteous elitist response where anything contrary to the beliefs securely held in their mindtanks, or the person who expresses contrary thoughts, is treated dismissively, condescendingly, or flat out verbally attacked...and sometimes they express either a genuine or disingenuous compassion towards the other for not knowing or perceiving existence as enlightened as they perceive themselves to be. So I've reported this post. As this process isn't one that that's visible to the subject of the report, I'll share the report here, as I'd rather that I not keep it a secret from Jay. That said, I'm not interested in polluting this thread any further than that, and will respond, if at all, on the topic over in UM. I'd both respectfully request and encourage anyone else to do the same rather than disrupt the Jed thread any further. My apologies to everyone involved for the clutter. I've also PM'd Peter with cc to Shawn and ZD on the matter, specifically requesting Peter's attention to it. ---------- Jay essentially calls tano an "idiotic elitist troll with a low level of intellect who says idiotic things to incite outrage and/or is so heavily indoctrinated by religion or philosophy that her idiotic statements appear profound to her." He's hidden it behind "when someone tells me they see nothing wrong with war then this person", but it's obviously a sham. It seems to me, at the very least, that this doesn't belong outside of UM by the new standards of respect that we've been asked to maintain. But worst case, especially given Jay's frequent reference to "Advaitists" (see link: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/search/results?who_at_least_one=1723&captcha_id=captcha_search&what_at_least_one=advaitist+advaida&who_only_made_by=0&display_as=0&search=Search), it violates the Proboard terms of service (link: www.proboards.com/tos ) and community guidelines (link: www.proboards.com/community-guidelines ). Advaita is a cultural artifact that some might identify with, and what Jay has written about Advaita and "Advaitists" (including characterizing them as "fanatics", see link: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/post/257331/thread ) over the months here is, arguably quite hateful. In what he wrote to tano, he's suggesting that it is her Advaitist indoctrination which leads her to write idiotic things that she mistakes for profundity. Jay has, in fact, linked his opinions about faith and religion specifically to tano: If you do not have any proof of your claims, then to me it is simply just another faith based religion\philosophy\belief system. There are thousands of these things in the world, all claiming to be the truth about many or all elements of existence. Section 18(e) of the terms of service prohibits this, a prohibition which is repeated in the Community Guidlines:
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You represent and warrant that you shall not use the Website or Services to upload, post, transmit, display, perform or distribute any content, information or materials that: (e) promote or glorify racial intolerance, use hate and/or racist terms, or signify hate towards any person or group of peopleJay's abusive insults above, seem to me to be motivated by his negative opinion of a group of people, all identified by a religious label. Thank you for your attention to this matter. I do regret having to appeal to authority and have no particular expectation as to outcome and will of course accept your decision without serious objection or appeal, but not, perhaps, without comment in an appropriate venue. |
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Post by Reefs on Dec 27, 2015 5:32:05 GMT -5
So I've reported this post. As this process isn't one that that's visible to the subject of the report, I'll share the report here, as I'd rather that I not keep it a secret from Jay. That said, I'm not interested in polluting this thread any further than that, and will respond, if at all, on the topic over in UM. I'd both respectfully request and encourage anyone else to do the same rather than disrupt the Jed thread any further. My apologies to everyone involved for the clutter. I've also PM'd Peter with cc to Shawn and ZD on the matter, specifically requesting Peter's attention to it. ---------- Jay essentially calls tano an "idiotic elitist troll with a low level of intellect who says idiotic things to incite outrage and/or is so heavily indoctrinated by religion or philosophy that her idiotic statements appear profound to her." He's hidden it behind "when someone tells me they see nothing wrong with war then this person", but it's obviously a sham. It seems to me, at the very least, that this doesn't belong outside of UM by the new standards of respect that we've been asked to maintain. But worst case, especially given Jay's frequent reference to "Advaitists" (see link: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/search/results?who_at_least_one=1723&captcha_id=captcha_search&what_at_least_one=advaitist+advaida&who_only_made_by=0&display_as=0&search=Search), it violates the Proboard terms of service (link: www.proboards.com/tos ) and community guidelines (link: www.proboards.com/community-guidelines ). Advaita is a cultural artifact that some might identify with, and what Jay has written about Advaita and "Advaitists" (including characterizing them as "fanatics", see link: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/post/257331/thread ) over the months here is, arguably quite hateful. In what he wrote to tano, he's suggesting that it is her Advaitist indoctrination which leads her to write idiotic things that she mistakes for profundity. Jay has, in fact, linked his opinions about faith and religion specifically to tano: Section 18(e) of the terms of service prohibits this, a prohibition which is repeated in the Community Guidlines:
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You represent and warrant that you shall not use the Website or Services to upload, post, transmit, display, perform or distribute any content, information or materials that: (e) promote or glorify racial intolerance, use hate and/or racist terms, or signify hate towards any person or group of peopleJay's abusive insults above, seem to me to be motivated by his negative opinion of a group of people, all identified by a religious label. Thank you for your attention to this matter. I do regret having to appeal to authority and have no particular expectation as to outcome and will of course accept your decision without serious objection or appeal, but not, perhaps, without comment in an appropriate venue. How he managed to go from this... "And another point... there is nothing wrong with the world we live in. It is beautiful and full of contrasts. There is no knowing peace without knowing war."... to that... "When someone tells me they see nothing wrong with war, murder, rape, pedophilia, and other such horrid behavior humans inflict on each other, and state all that is beautiful, i consider a few options..."
... is beyond me. Ah, we've got that all the time here. That's the split mind in action, one compartment fighting with another compartment, that's all. Laffy may call it a 'Jay-fight'. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2015 9:17:46 GMT -5
Yeah, Peter's our man here, but given that this is the "Spiritual Teachers" section we might even be able to get Shawn's interest. I asked ZD to remove Jay from the Forum. Every interaction he has - starts OK and gradually degenerates to flaming. Newbees like myself get caught, unaware of this. It doesn't effect me, but I see no benefit to keep this going. Unless, of course.... it provides a contrast here. Maybe, Jay's expression should be put up as a sticky... how NOT to communicate with fellow human beings I never read a single word of his posts. As soon as I see his name, I scroll through the entire post. I identified him as an obnoxious troll a long time ago. His presence always leaves a bad after taste. It's unfortunate but that's just the way it is. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Dec 27, 2015 10:02:58 GMT -5
Adversely affected - aggrieved, hurt, ill-treated, impaired, innlicted with injury, injured, wronged. If a person perceives suffering as beautiful, i see no reason to interfere with how they choose to live. But if a person tries to make me or those i love suffer because they think it will be a beautiful experience for me\us, i will intercede. I will not tolerate people trying to enforce their beliefs upon me and those i love. I've slowly learnt\developed and now have a beneficial relationship with my pain system, but i do not regard it as rational, beneficial or loving to go out of my way to inflict pain on my being and on others. Theowhy, feel free to express your true thoughts and feelings about me, be they pos or neg, i don't mind at all. "He has great tranquility of heart who cares neither for the praises nor the fault-finding of men." - Honore' de Balzac I have already shared a coupla indepth posts about trolling and people accusing others of being so. History is full of people here having the capacity to accuse me of being a troll, but lacking the capacity to indepthly discuss their accusation to see if it's true or not. My thought right now is that it's a great aspiration to have, what de Balzac writes. I was dancing yesterday, and a guy stood by the sidelines and started to personally comment on my dancing behavior very negatively. I think I heard him threatening to fight me (we have a bit of history). It kind of shook me up, ruined the dance a bit, I was ready to go and confront him (I mean ask him what he's doing). But after the dance I got better, and started thinking (slowly, consciously) how to deal with this. Maybe I'll have to confront him for his aggresiveness, but the point is, there is power to not being affected by such matters. It also means you are not identifying with image. Anyways, the person trying to inflict pain on me and others, principally has the pain himself. It's his burden. If there is strong disturbance from his behavior on my part, that's my burden, self-inflicted or not, it's irrelevant. Nothing is self-inflicted, but on a certain level it's on me to handle (on another level, all is on god,and there is only this another level). It's on me to learn to handle that, both internally and externally. On that level, my business is to change if needed my behavior, and the other's business... well the other's business is not my business. Most excellent. That's a place most difficult to get to for most people. |
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Post by jay17 on Dec 27, 2015 14:10:41 GMT -5
Adversely affected - aggrieved, hurt, ill-treated, impaired, innlicted with injury, injured, wronged. If a person perceives suffering as beautiful, i see no reason to interfere with how they choose to live. But if a person tries to make me or those i love suffer because they think it will be a beautiful experience for me\us, i will intercede. I will not tolerate people trying to enforce their beliefs upon me and those i love. I've slowly learnt\developed and now have a beneficial relationship with my pain system, but i do not regard it as rational, beneficial or loving to go out of my way to inflict pain on my being and on others. Theowhy, feel free to express your true thoughts and feelings about me, be they pos or neg, i don't mind at all. "He has great tranquility of heart who cares neither for the praises nor the fault-finding of men." - Honore' de Balzac I have already shared a coupla indepth posts about trolling and people accusing others of being so. History is full of people here having the capacity to accuse me of being a troll, but lacking the capacity to indepthly discuss their accusation to see if it's true or not. My thought right now is that it's a great aspiration to have, what de Balzac writes. I was dancing yesterday, and a guy stood by the sidelines and started to personally comment on my dancing behavior very negatively. I think I heard him threatening to fight me (we have a bit of history). It kind of shook me up, ruined the dance a bit, I was ready to go and confront him (I mean ask him what he's doing). But after the dance I got better, and started thinking (slowly, consciously) how to deal with this. Maybe I'll have to confront him for his aggresiveness, but the point is, there is power to not being affected by such matters. It also means you are not identifying with image. And not a power in the conventional sense...as 'power' is normally considered as some type of force one can use to change something in the environment. The type of power you mentioned is simply the innate power\energy of one's being to change an aspect of oneself so as to no longer be influenced against one's will by external forces. With utilizing power outwardly, it's often accompanied by emotions and thoughts of superiority, of winning, of wanting to beat an opponent, ( be it another person or a physical challenge). But with the inwardly directed power of not being offended\disturbed by externals, there is usually a deep calm and joy, and if the external force is a disrespectful person, genuine compassion for them. My experience is, when a human journeys within and finally has sorted enough of their issues out that self is no longer troubled by the behavior of others, you, the self, have developed that state of being due to understanding why you were once a person who behaved horribly towards others, and seeing the self created and inflicted hell you were encased in and how you resolved it, can lead to genuine compassion for others who are still entrapped in their own self created hells. There is no feeling of superiority or getting off on a power rush when not being offended by the harsh behavior of others. The externally directed power of changing or standing against an external force is like the huge rush of water of a waterfall, while the inward power of not being offended is like the vastness of an ocean. The waterfall, though a river's volume is great, the power is concentrated into a small area and directed against the rocks below, there's lots of movement, noise, there's a strong impact between two elements. The ocean energy, an ocean undisturbed by strong winds, though eleventee hundreds times greater that the largest river, barely makes a sound, and apart from a miniscule amount manifesting as waves on shores, an ocean is calm, relaxed, peaceful, undisturbed by external forces. Anyways, the person trying to inflict pain on me and others, principally has the pain himself. It's his burden. If there is strong disturbance from his behavior on my part, that's my burden, self-inflicted or not, it's irrelevant. Nothing is self-inflicted, but on a certain level it's on me to handle (on another level, all is on god,and there is only this another level). It's on me to learn to handle that, both internally and externally. On that level, my business is to change if needed my behavior, and the other's business... well the other's business is not my business. I assume you are an Advaita path walker, thus you will have different conclusions\understanding of the human being and attitudes towards it, so we will most likely disagree on some points. Suffice to say i share similar thoughts to yours regarding the experience of being hurt by another's unloving behavior, how i decided to not hate the other, but instead looked within to see why i was reacting so, to understand my inner being and see if i can change, of which i did on all counts, and now respond differently to rude, troubled people in the hope of helping them see their own issues and support them on their own healing journey. Of course, if they are at that place on their own journey where they either are not interested is self healing\development or cannot see they require it and remain in their disrespectful state, i simply leave them be without harboring any ill feeling towards them. Regarding the water metaphors, if the journey of life is like sailing on an ocean, we, the sailor, the operator of the 'human being' vehicle that traverses this existence...if we do not, or perceive we do not have a sound vehicle, if we lack or think we lack the ability to successfully traverse the sometimes harsh seas, we will be disturbed by the experiences, we will doubt our ability to cope, we will feel threatened, unsafe, we will sometimes rage against that which we struggle to cope with...often including anyone in our sights. But when we are deeply secure that our boat\vehicle\our being can handle any storm, that we know we have the soul capacity and skill to traverse any harsh conditions\events\experiences, then the harshest storm will be met with deep inner calm and joy. There are no adverse responses\sensations when experiencing problems because we have the capacity to deal with them, and this capacity is far greater than the capacity of the problem. Many people think if they look and sound like a skilled sailor, if they have spend their whole lives learning about it, if they have years worth of head knowledge about it and appear to be all knowing on the subject of traversing life, a storm will always show what they really are. Their external coverings will be blown off very quickly, revealing their real nature that is within. And it is these types that lash out against others when they are presented with even the slightest foul weather. |
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Post by jay17 on Dec 28, 2015 6:24:06 GMT -5
I never read a single word of his posts. As soon as I see his name, I scroll through the entire post. I identified him as an obnoxious troll a long time ago. His presence always leaves a bad after taste. It's unfortunate but that's just the way it is. I've learned my lessons Ah yes, satchitananda, the bloke who publicly stated in this forum that his role in spiritual society is to slap people down in order to awaken them, but only people he judges as being spiritually inferior to himself. He's also one of the folks i mentioned who has the capacity to accuse me of being a troll, but lacks the capacity to maturely and respectfully discuss it, to provide evidence or give a detailed account of how he reached that conclusion. Nah, what he did was become offended because i asked him a couple of questions about his statements, or i expressed my interpretation of them and\or sought clarification. Instead of simply responding to resolve any real or imagined issues between us, due to near instantly being offended, his reasoning was, "Oh, he's upset me, therefore he's a troll because that's what trolls do, they say things in order to upset people." I then explained that just because someone gets upset does not automatically mean the other is a troll\intentionally trying to upset them, it also could mean the person has wounds and is easily offended. But he had already locked the troll judgement into his mindtank, and after he left the conversation, he spent a few days publicly chatting with others talking about what a nasty troll i am. Apparently he had to reinforce this belief within himself and others and possibly reassure himself he's spiritually superior to me. And here he is still doing it. And as i have always said to the people here who have a propensity to denigrate me, may those beliefs serve them well...and i can't recall if i asked him or another, that as they keep sharing their disparaging thoughts about me, what would they like me to do with the information...they seem to have a huge use for it as they keep a strong hold on them, but i am at a loss as to what they want me to do with their thoughts about me. Not one of them has divulged what they would like me to do with the info. I acknowledge and understand the info they share, but i have no use for it, so it seems odd they keep sharing it with me. And if it's simply for their benefit, to make them feel good, feel better about themselves, then i always tell them to please keep expressing it, i won't mind. Perhaps tano, you can join their anti Jay17 club...i mean, you even created a thread dedicated to me, that's passion and commitment right there, you could be the club president. And when any of you are feeling unsettled, invite me to your Jay thread, have a jolly good vent at me and i will joyfully listen to everything you folks have to say, and if i respond as i make an effort to comprehend the interesting behavior, you can lash out at me some more. It's a win-win. I get to observe human nature and you folks get to hate and feel superior. |
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Post by jay17 on Dec 28, 2015 16:55:53 GMT -5
My thought right now is that it's a great aspiration to have, what de Balzac writes. I was dancing yesterday, and a guy stood by the sidelines and started to personally comment on my dancing behavior very negatively. I think I heard him threatening to fight me (we have a bit of history). It kind of shook me up, ruined the dance a bit, I was ready to go and confront him (I mean ask him what he's doing). But after the dance I got better, and started thinking (slowly, consciously) how to deal with this. Maybe I'll have to confront him for his aggresiveness, but the point is, there is power to not being affected by such matters. It also means you are not identifying with image. Anyways, the person trying to inflict pain on me and others, principally has the pain himself. It's his burden. If there is strong disturbance from his behavior on my part, that's my burden, self-inflicted or not, it's irrelevant. Nothing is self-inflicted, but on a certain level it's on me to handle (on another level, all is on god,and there is only this another level). It's on me to learn to handle that, both internally and externally. On that level, my business is to change if needed my behavior, and the other's business... well the other's business is not my business. Most excellent. That's a place most difficult to get to for most people. I think very close to near impossible for people who believe they don't exist...well, as long as they hold to that belief of course. |
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