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Post by Peter on Jan 16, 2012 3:33:12 GMT -5
Well well, the board is getting VERY personal these days with these eponymous threads. StevenC, at the risk of leaving my self open to accusations of attachment to name and form, what prompted you to change your username? Some people think a rose by any other name etc, but personally I think names are important and subtly telling in their own way. Nice to be able to ask an exactly "on topic" question for a change.  PS Zendancer> I'm reading " Dropping Ashes on the Buddha" just now - both enjoying and being annoyed by it. I don't think me and Zen Masters would get on; nice to be able to get a taste for how an interview might go from a safe distance without the stick. Thanks for the recommendation. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 16, 2012 3:36:41 GMT -5
I think we are naturally moved to be of service, or offerance, to those who face similar challenges to the ones we have faced. This feeling and movement to be of service in that way is 'joy', and the good news about joy is that it is a very powerful creative force. I guess what Im saying is that I reckon its a case of....trust your heart, and in doing so you will find that enlightenment happens, though it wont be that relevant because you will be too busy following your heart to notice. Tat has been giving you some excellent tools to take with you whatever you do.
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Post by enigma on Jan 16, 2012 3:56:05 GMT -5
I think we are naturally moved to be of service, or offerance, to those who face similar challenges to the ones we have faced. This feeling and movement to be of service in that way is 'joy', and the good news about joy is that it is a very powerful creative force. I guess what Im saying is that I reckon its a case of....trust your heart, and in doing so you will find that enlightenment happens, though it wont be that relevant because you will be too busy following your heart to notice. Tat has been giving you some excellent tools to take with you whatever you do. You sound muffled, Andrew. You okay? |
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Post by andrew on Jan 16, 2012 4:06:51 GMT -5
I think we are naturally moved to be of service, or offerance, to those who face similar challenges to the ones we have faced. This feeling and movement to be of service in that way is 'joy', and the good news about joy is that it is a very powerful creative force. I guess what Im saying is that I reckon its a case of....trust your heart, and in doing so you will find that enlightenment happens, though it wont be that relevant because you will be too busy following your heart to notice. Tat has been giving you some excellent tools to take with you whatever you do. You sound muffled, Andrew. You okay? Im fine thanks mate. What do you mean 'muffled'? Subdued? By the way, I appreciated the last thing you said to me on the 'Reincarnation' thread but it seems as if that thread is kind of dying and I didnt want to drag it back to life just to say 'cool'! |
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Post by gypsywind on Jan 16, 2012 10:12:29 GMT -5
Well well, the board is getting VERY personal these days with these eponymous threads. StevenC, at the risk of leaving my self open to accusations of attachment to name and form, what prompted you to change your username? Some people think a rose by any other name etc, but personally I think names are important and subtly telling in their own way. Nice to be able to ask an exactly "on topic" question for a change. PS Zendancer> I'm reading " Dropping Ashes on the Buddha" just now - both enjoying and being annoyed by it. I don't think me and Zen Masters would get on; nice to be able to get a taste for how an interview might go from a safe distance without the stick. Thanks for the recommendation. I guess I wasn't a nickname kinda guy today Peter ;-) I like this, Steven. I kinda figured Peter would get it. He interacts with others as, Peter. Descriptive labels as reference points do have a tendency to shape people's expressions, like an incantation. Tathagata implied a simple, kind image for me, whereas something like- exactamente- just made me feel tired. ;D |
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Post by nobody on Jan 16, 2012 10:22:11 GMT -5
I don't think me and Zen Masters would get on; nice to be able to get a taste for how an interview might go from a safe distance without the stick. Thanks for the recommendation. Zen masters are great! I think they are rather cool to talk to. Their presence is so strong, they can burn a hole through you with their eyes. It's pretty wild how attentive they are. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 16, 2012 10:42:40 GMT -5
Stop being in such a hurry to get somewhere or cross some imagined finish line brother Life is what happens while you are making other plans Just enjoy the ride, and the unfolding discovery Life is an unfolding....why dwell on the past, you can't live in two places at once....either you are living in the past or you are living in the right now You should go to school Freejoy, continue with your meditating, and above all, continue being aware of your awareness in every activity, but do life activities....with your history I have no doubt that you can pursue a formal education for free What I would really like you to do as an excersize, is to make a mediation practice of researching how you may get you GED for free if you don't have it, or how you may go to college for free, but do it all while making it an excersize in being aware of awareness continously while you do it. I think your pointing me in the right direction here. First I have to work with integrity within myself. I've seen certain suffering and I feel it's my duty the help them. It's my karma probably. See I don't need to own anything. I think I've figured out a way to end homeless and make a profit out of it. Make it profitable and homelessness will end. The Bible says something like, "you'll know a people by the way they treat the least among themselves." I think so. What I've been hearing is that college graduates aren't really getting jobs they expect and they are being hit with a lot of student load debts. College takes what, 2, 4, 6, years? Then you have to get a regular job. Plus maybe debt too. I went to a six mouth accounting course in 1984. College has crossed my mind too thou. Then I might just let life take me. Like a river. Those seem like my choices. No matter looks like this body is going to be moving around while it's living. It's going to seek enlightenment until it finds it too. I don't see anyone on the forum with ill intent. I don't need protected that much. :> But anyhow, I'd have to think it over. Ive just been thinking about what you said here. I see this as a positive shift, a step towards the enlightenment you seek. Things may not be unfolding in the way you expected, or even the way that Steven expected (I dont know), but nevertheless, to me you sound more grounded, present and more....'grown up' than when you came to the forum. Based on what I see here, credit to Steven for the advice he has given you thus far and credit to you for the self-discipline. |
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Post by Peter on Jan 16, 2012 12:35:51 GMT -5
I guess I wasn't a nickname kinda guy today Peter ;-) wasn't a nickname though, was it? I see you've stopped lol'ing and hehehe'ing. |
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Post by enigma on Jan 16, 2012 13:03:52 GMT -5
You sound muffled, Andrew. You okay? Im fine thanks mate. What do you mean 'muffled'? Subdued? No, I actually mean your voice in my head. Hehe. Glad yer okay. Don't remember it right now, but thanks. |
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Post by silence on Jan 16, 2012 13:04:53 GMT -5
Yes, I'm not the surrendering kind of guy. Do you think you personally are the one doing most of the work? |
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Post by andrew on Jan 16, 2012 13:11:50 GMT -5
Ive just been thinking about what you said here. I see this as a positive shift, a step towards the enlightenment you seek. Things may not be unfolding in the way you expected, or even the way that Steven expected (I dont know), but nevertheless, to me you sound more grounded, present and more....'grown up' than when you came to the forum. Based on what I see here, credit to Steven for the advice he has given you thus far and credit to you for the self-discipline. Yes, I'm not the surrendering kind of guy. It's probably going to take some work. Osho talks about in his book. Steven has 'helped' me but so has most everyone here. I don't know about some grandiose thing about saving all the homeless people thou :) But yes I'm more clear now, must be the water. he he I've had glimpses already so I need to calm down. I don't know about helping people in general either. The Tao says, "Because he has given up helping, he is people's greatest help." So I really never 'try' to help people. I've thought about what it means a lot. Hawkins says raising ones consciousness is more help than feeding people. But I guess one can feed people and raise ones consciousness. Yes, raising one consciousness is a powerful thing. I think there is a fine line between wanting to rescue people and being in a state of 'offerance' or 'service'. The former is fear and the latter is joy. To give an example.... helping in a soup kitchen, or working in a charity shop, or spending time at a hospice, isnt my kind of thing, it would really just be a chore for me. My 'joyful service' needs to be expressed in more the way you talked about on the other thread. We are each different and I think its important to look at what works for each of us. I do think you are very much a service-orientated kind of guy though. |
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Post by silence on Jan 16, 2012 13:27:25 GMT -5
Do you think you personally are the one doing most of the work? Yes, that's my experience. Sad but true. :) It doesn't have to be sad. But it may be helpful to look with some real honesty and see if that is true. |
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Post by Peter on Jan 16, 2012 13:37:13 GMT -5
I like this, Steven. I kinda figured Peter would get it. He interacts with others as, Peter. Descriptive labels as reference points do have a tendency to shape people's expressions, like an incantation. Tathagata implied a simple, kind image for me, whereas something like- exactamente- just made me feel tired. ;D Well I wouldn't want to make an assumption about his reason(s). That sort of thing (making assumptions about other people's motives) almost always ends with me being given a "life lesson". Like Andrew I also have a sense of a positive shift in StevenC although it may not feel like one to him this week. I'm interested to see if he's able to share what's going on for him with the board. |
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Post by popee2 on Jan 16, 2012 13:57:09 GMT -5
Like Andrew I also have a sense of a positive shift in StevenC although it may not feel like one to him this week. I'm interested to see if he's able to share what's going on for him with the board. lol |
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Post by gypsywind on Jan 17, 2012 8:17:15 GMT -5
Well I wouldn't want to make an assumption about his reason(s). That sort of thing (making assumptions about other people's motives) almost always ends with me being given a "life lesson". Like Andrew I also have a sense of a positive shift in StevenC although it may not feel like one to him this week. I'm interested to see if he's able to share what's going on for him with the board. Well, he did answer your question. He gave you his reason, which I'm sure you read before creating this post. Obviously the reason wasn't satisfactory, or you wouldn't have written- reason(s). Which is another assumption. We all spill soup. No exceptions. Andrew is good company Flowers, like Steven's, are fully open at each step of the blossoming. There will never be an "us" if I play small. Thanks for the opportunity. Have a good day. |
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