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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jan 8, 2012 21:01:30 GMT -5
I subscribe to the fact that there is a Supreme Ordering Intelligence, Plotinus called it the One. This is the Unmanifest, the Kabbalah calls it En Sof, Endlessness.
For the One (Tao) to manifest, the Tao Te Ching says the One (Tao) became two (yin & yang), the two became three and the three became the ten thousand things. I would suggest that the Void is between One, and One becoming two.
Pantanjali in his Yoga Sutra, and The Bhagavad Gita, calls them the three the gunas, sattva, calm goodness; rajas, motion and tamas, inertia.
So everything that is is composed of these three. "As above, so below". It's obvious that the movement is from simplicity to complexity. Also, the movement is from the known to the unknown. For me, this is the purpose of creation. God as God alone, knew everything, there was no unknown.
So SOI drew a "line in the sand", in order to manifest a universe of unknown potential. The movement from simplicity to complexity, the downward movement of involution, became *us*, we are a >seed< of potential.
If there is a return to oneness, evolution, there is a point of our seed being buried in materiality at the lowest point of the downward arc. This is our essential nature being buried in ego. Now, we begin the journey upward believing that we are ego. Eventually our inner nature tugs at us and we begin to see that we are not the cultural mask, that our true self is more expansive, more encompassing.
The journey is a movement of our identity (what we say "I" to) from false self as center of gravity to true self as center of gravity. An initial awakening shows what-we-are, ego as false self, and what we can-be, True Self, connected with the whole. Our attention is a plumb-line right through awareness, right up through the vast matrix of complexity of the triads of creation. Our attention is the point of germination of our seed of potential.
Enlightenment is not the end of the journey. We can look "backward", to the whole of what constitutes our being, but complexity increases as the journey continues. Enlightenment is looking into the vast unknown, and not-seeing what we will be. The seed is the movement from the known to the unknown. We can never see what's next, we can't see above our own level of maturity, our own level of being. But complexity continues, it's the spiritual DNA of the seed of True Self unfolding.
But if we think Enlightenment is the end.................
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Mar 6, 2020 18:47:03 GMT -5
But if we think Enlightenment is the end...... I subscribe to the fact that there is a Supreme Ordering Intelligence, Plotinus called it the One. This is the Unmanifest, the Kabbalah calls it En Sof, Endlessness. For the One (Tao) to manifest, the Tao Te Ching says the One (Tao) became two (yin & yang), the two became three and the three became the ten thousand things. I would suggest that the Void is between One, and One becoming two. Pantanjali in his Yoga Sutra, and The Bhagavad Gita, calls them the three the gunas, sattva, calm goodness; rajas, motion and tamas, inertia. So everything that is is composed of these three. "As above, so below". It's obvious that the movement is from simplicity to complexity. Also, the movement is from the known to the unknown. For me, this is the purpose of creation. God as God alone, knew everything, there was no unknown. So SOI drew a "line in the sand", in order to manifest a universe of unknown potential. The movement from simplicity to complexity, the downward movement of involution, became *us*, we are a >seed< of potential. If there is a return to oneness, evolution, there is a point of our seed being buried in materiality at the lowest point of the downward arc. This is our essential nature being buried in ego. Now, we begin the journey upward believing that we are ego. Eventually our inner nature tugs at us and we begin to see that we are not the cultural mask, that our true self is more expansive, more encompassing. The journey is a movement of our identity (what we say "I" to) from false self as center of gravity to true self as center of gravity. An initial awakening shows what-we-are, ego as false self, and what we can-be, True Self, connected with the whole. Our attention is a plumb-line right through awareness, right up through the vast matrix of complexity of the triads of creation. Our attention is the point of germination of our seed of potential. Enlightenment is not the end of the journey. We can look "backward", to the whole of what constitutes our being, but complexity increases as the journey continues. Enlightenment is looking into the vast unknown, and not-seeing what we will be. The seed is the movement from the known to the unknown. We can never see what's next, we can't see above our own level of maturity, our own level of being. But complexity continues, it's the spiritual DNA of the seed of True Self unfolding. But if we think Enlightenment is the end................. |
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Post by zendancer on Mar 6, 2020 20:27:18 GMT -5
I subscribe to the fact that there is a Supreme Ordering Intelligence, Plotinus called it the One. This is the Unmanifest, the Kabbalah calls it En Sof, Endlessness. For the One (Tao) to manifest, the Tao Te Ching says the One (Tao) became two (yin & yang), the two became three and the three became the ten thousand things. I would suggest that the Void is between One, and One becoming two. Pantanjali in his Yoga Sutra, and The Bhagavad Gita, calls them the three the gunas, sattva, calm goodness; rajas, motion and tamas, inertia. So everything that is is composed of these three. "As above, so below". It's obvious that the movement is from simplicity to complexity. Also, the movement is from the known to the unknown. For me, this is the purpose of creation. God as God alone, knew everything, there was no unknown. So SOI drew a "line in the sand", in order to manifest a universe of unknown potential. The movement from simplicity to complexity, the downward movement of involution, became *us*, we are a >seed< of potential. If there is a return to oneness, evolution, there is a point of our seed being buried in materiality at the lowest point of the downward arc. This is our essential nature being buried in ego. Now, we begin the journey upward believing that we are ego. Eventually our inner nature tugs at us and we begin to see that we are not the cultural mask, that our true self is more expansive, more encompassing. The journey is a movement of our identity (what we say "I" to) from false self as center of gravity to true self as center of gravity. An initial awakening shows what-we-are, ego as false self, and what we can-be, True Self, connected with the whole. Our attention is a plumb-line right through awareness, right up through the vast matrix of complexity of the triads of creation. Our attention is the point of germination of our seed of potential. Enlightenment is not the end of the journey. We can look "backward", to the whole of what constitutes our being, but complexity increases as the journey continues. Enlightenment is looking into the vast unknown, and not-seeing what we will be. The seed is the movement from the known to the unknown. We can never see what's next, we can't see above our own level of maturity, our own level of being. But complexity continues, it's the spiritual DNA of the seed of True Self unfolding. But if we think Enlightenment is the end................. Thinking divides, but silence unifies. At a certain point in what we call "the journey" or "the pathless path" it can be realized that there is no one capable of journeying anywhere because there is only THIS, and THIS is always here and now being what it is. What we call "the journey of seeking" comes to an end when the imaginary seeker is discovered by THIS to have been imaginary. What we call "enlightenment" is simply THIS recognizing Itself as the only actor on the stage and the only thingless thing that looks out of all eyes. The observer and the observed are one and the same, and there is no end to the limit of Self-discovery when THIS, as a human, leaves thinking behind. |
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Post by shadowplay on Mar 7, 2020 12:04:13 GMT -5
I subscribe to the fact that there is a Supreme Ordering Intelligence, Plotinus called it the One. This is the Unmanifest, the Kabbalah calls it En Sof, Endlessness. For the One (Tao) to manifest, the Tao Te Ching says the One (Tao) became two (yin & yang), the two became three and the three became the ten thousand things. I would suggest that the Void is between One, and One becoming two. Pantanjali in his Yoga Sutra, and The Bhagavad Gita, calls them the three the gunas, sattva, calm goodness; rajas, motion and tamas, inertia. So everything that is is composed of these three. "As above, so below". It's obvious that the movement is from simplicity to complexity. Also, the movement is from the known to the unknown. For me, this is the purpose of creation. God as God alone, knew everything, there was no unknown. So SOI drew a "line in the sand", in order to manifest a universe of unknown potential. The movement from simplicity to complexity, the downward movement of involution, became *us*, we are a >seed< of potential. If there is a return to oneness, evolution, there is a point of our seed being buried in materiality at the lowest point of the downward arc. This is our essential nature being buried in ego. Now, we begin the journey upward believing that we are ego. Eventually our inner nature tugs at us and we begin to see that we are not the cultural mask, that our true self is more expansive, more encompassing. The journey is a movement of our identity (what we say "I" to) from false self as center of gravity to true self as center of gravity. An initial awakening shows what-we-are, ego as false self, and what we can-be, True Self, connected with the whole. Our attention is a plumb-line right through awareness, right up through the vast matrix of complexity of the triads of creation. Our attention is the point of germination of our seed of potential. Enlightenment is not the end of the journey. We can look "backward", to the whole of what constitutes our being, but complexity increases as the journey continues. Enlightenment is looking into the vast unknown, and not-seeing what we will be. The seed is the movement from the known to the unknown. We can never see what's next, we can't see above our own level of maturity, our own level of being. But complexity continues, it's the spiritual DNA of the seed of True Self unfolding. But if we think Enlightenment is the end................. Thinking divides, but silence unifies. At a certain point in what we call "the journey" or "the pathless path" it can be realized that there is no one capable of journeying anywhere because there is only THIS, and THIS is always here and now being what it is. What we call "the journey of seeking" comes to an end when the imaginary seeker is discovered by THIS to have been imaginary. What we call "enlightenment" is simply THIS recognizing Itself as the only actor on the stage and the only thingless thing that looks out of all eyes. The observer and the observed are one and the same, and there is no end to the limit of Self-discovery when THIS, as a human, leaves thinking behind. This talk of imaginary is interesting. Just what is it that is imaginary? And why is it so hard to see? The way I express it is that it’s the ‘happened self’ that is imaginary (or a delusion.) What I mean by this is the self that is not here, now - the psychological self - the memory-constructed self (of the past and future) which is upheld in narrative mind. But in the absence of this phantom self, the matrix of body-mind-activity still endures and its biological proclivities still arise. There is still an individuated matrix that we just can’t reason away or trust that it will disappear when our narratives and memory are let go of. It persists in the same way as a tree persists or a bird or a stone etc. But like the tree and the stone it has no inherent existence or self-origination and therefore no ultimate reality - it is (and I suspect that the neo-solipsists will object to this type of description) activity, expression, patterning (there’s no good description) of THIS - of wholeness. As you say, THIS or wholeness is the only actor. But it acts (in the case of a doing, for instance) VIA the individuated matrix. Do you acknowledge this ‘individuated matrix’? How would you express this? |
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Post by zendancer on Mar 7, 2020 12:47:17 GMT -5
Thinking divides, but silence unifies. At a certain point in what we call "the journey" or "the pathless path" it can be realized that there is no one capable of journeying anywhere because there is only THIS, and THIS is always here and now being what it is. What we call "the journey of seeking" comes to an end when the imaginary seeker is discovered by THIS to have been imaginary. What we call "enlightenment" is simply THIS recognizing Itself as the only actor on the stage and the only thingless thing that looks out of all eyes. The observer and the observed are one and the same, and there is no end to the limit of Self-discovery when THIS, as a human, leaves thinking behind. This talk of imaginary is interesting. Just what is it that is imaginary? And why is it so hard to see? The way I express it is that it’s the ‘happened self’ that is imaginary (or a delusion.) What I mean by this is the self that is not here, now - the psychological self - the memory-constructed self (of the past and future) which is upheld in narrative mind. But in the absence of this phantom self, the matrix of body-mind-activity still endures and its biological proclivities still arise. There is still an individuated matrix that we just can’t reason away or trust that it will disappear when our narratives and memory are let go of. It persists in the same way as a tree persists or a bird or a stone etc. But like the tree and the stone it has no inherent existence or self-origination and therefore no ultimate reality - it is (and I suspect that the neo-solipsists will object to this type of description) activity, expression, patterning (there’s no good description) of THIS - of wholeness. As you say, THIS or wholeness is the only actor. But it acts (in the case of a doing, for instance) VIA the individuated matrix. Do you acknowledge this ‘individuated matrix’? How would you express this? Yes, I would absolutely acknowledge that. I would express it by holding up one finger in silence (or making some other sort of physical response), and waiting to see if the questioner understood. What is it that is imaginary? All conceptualized boundaries that define abstract "things." |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Mar 7, 2020 13:53:38 GMT -5
I subscribe to the fact that there is a Supreme Ordering Intelligence, Plotinus called it the One. This is the Unmanifest, the Kabbalah calls it En Sof, Endlessness. For the One (Tao) to manifest, the Tao Te Ching says the One (Tao) became two (yin & yang), the two became three and the three became the ten thousand things. I would suggest that the Void is between One, and One becoming two. Pantanjali in his Yoga Sutra, and The Bhagavad Gita, calls them the three the gunas, sattva, calm goodness; rajas, motion and tamas, inertia. So everything that is is composed of these three. "As above, so below". It's obvious that the movement is from simplicity to complexity. Also, the movement is from the known to the unknown. For me, this is the purpose of creation. God as God alone, knew everything, there was no unknown. So SOI drew a "line in the sand", in order to manifest a universe of unknown potential. The movement from simplicity to complexity, the downward movement of involution, became *us*, we are a >seed< of potential. If there is a return to oneness, evolution, there is a point of our seed being buried in materiality at the lowest point of the downward arc. This is our essential nature being buried in ego. Now, we begin the journey upward believing that we are ego. Eventually our inner nature tugs at us and we begin to see that we are not the cultural mask, that our true self is more expansive, more encompassing. The journey is a movement of our identity (what we say "I" to) from false self as center of gravity to true self as center of gravity. An initial awakening shows what-we-are, ego as false self, and what we can-be, True Self, connected with the whole. Our attention is a plumb-line right through awareness, right up through the vast matrix of complexity of the triads of creation. Our attention is the point of germination of our seed of potential. Enlightenment is not the end of the journey. We can look "backward", to the whole of what constitutes our being, but complexity increases as the journey continues. Enlightenment is looking into the vast unknown, and not-seeing what we will be. The seed is the movement from the known to the unknown. We can never see what's next, we can't see above our own level of maturity, our own level of being. But complexity continues, it's the spiritual DNA of the seed of True Self unfolding. But if we think Enlightenment is the end................. Thinking divides, but silence unifies. At a certain point in what we call "the journey" or "the pathless path" it can be realized that there is no one capable of journeying anywhere because there is only THIS, and THIS is always here and now being what it is. What we call "the journey of seeking" comes to an end when the imaginary seeker is discovered by THIS to have been imaginary. What we call "enlightenment" is simply THIS recognizing Itself as the only actor on the stage and the only thingless thing that looks out of all eyes. The observer and the observed are one and the same, and there is no end to the limit of Self-discovery when THIS, as a human, leaves thinking behind. sdp makes a good straight man. Eh? |
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Post by shadowplay on Mar 7, 2020 14:39:22 GMT -5
This talk of imaginary is interesting. Just what is it that is imaginary? And why is it so hard to see? The way I express it is that it’s the ‘happened self’ that is imaginary (or a delusion.) What I mean by this is the self that is not here, now - the psychological self - the memory-constructed self (of the past and future) which is upheld in narrative mind. But in the absence of this phantom self, the matrix of body-mind-activity still endures and its biological proclivities still arise. There is still an individuated matrix that we just can’t reason away or trust that it will disappear when our narratives and memory are let go of. It persists in the same way as a tree persists or a bird or a stone etc. But like the tree and the stone it has no inherent existence or self-origination and therefore no ultimate reality - it is (and I suspect that the neo-solipsists will object to this type of description) activity, expression, patterning (there’s no good description) of THIS - of wholeness. As you say, THIS or wholeness is the only actor. But it acts (in the case of a doing, for instance) VIA the individuated matrix. Do you acknowledge this ‘individuated matrix’? How would you express this? Yes, I would absolutely acknowledge that. I would express it by holding up one finger in silence (or making some other sort of physical response), and waiting to see if the questioner understood. What is it that is imaginary? All conceptualized boundaries that define abstract "things." Yes. There can be the seeing of things or the seeing of THIS. That doesn’t mean that things disappear. The chair becomes THIS chair-ing, the curtain becomes THIS curtain-ing… and so on. Never not THIS - without separation. But there is a difference between the psychological self/happened self and the body-mind-individuated-matrix. The psychological self is utterly non-existent and is therefore a delusion - which can be seen through and dissolved. The b-m-individuated matrix has a relative existence which endures after it has been re-contextualized (as in the example of the chair and curtain above.) |
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Post by zendancer on Mar 7, 2020 15:15:43 GMT -5
Thinking divides, but silence unifies. At a certain point in what we call "the journey" or "the pathless path" it can be realized that there is no one capable of journeying anywhere because there is only THIS, and THIS is always here and now being what it is. What we call "the journey of seeking" comes to an end when the imaginary seeker is discovered by THIS to have been imaginary. What we call "enlightenment" is simply THIS recognizing Itself as the only actor on the stage and the only thingless thing that looks out of all eyes. The observer and the observed are one and the same, and there is no end to the limit of Self-discovery when THIS, as a human, leaves thinking behind. sdp makes a good straight man. Eh? Perfect!  |
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Post by zendancer on Mar 7, 2020 15:16:30 GMT -5
Yes, I would absolutely acknowledge that. I would express it by holding up one finger in silence (or making some other sort of physical response), and waiting to see if the questioner understood. What is it that is imaginary? All conceptualized boundaries that define abstract "things." Yes. There can be the seeing of things or the seeing of THIS. That doesn’t mean that things disappear. The chair becomes THIS chair-ing, the curtain becomes THIS curtain-ing… and so on. Never not THIS - without separation. But there is a difference between the psychological self/happened self and the body-mind-individuated-matrix. The psychological self is utterly non-existent and is therefore a delusion - which can be seen through and dissolved. The b-m-individuated matrix has a relative existence which endures after it has been re-contextualized (as in the example of the chair and curtain above.) Yes. |
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Post by andrew on Mar 8, 2020 5:46:31 GMT -5
Thinking divides, but silence unifies. At a certain point in what we call "the journey" or "the pathless path" it can be realized that there is no one capable of journeying anywhere because there is only THIS, and THIS is always here and now being what it is. What we call "the journey of seeking" comes to an end when the imaginary seeker is discovered by THIS to have been imaginary. What we call "enlightenment" is simply THIS recognizing Itself as the only actor on the stage and the only thingless thing that looks out of all eyes. The observer and the observed are one and the same, and there is no end to the limit of Self-discovery when THIS, as a human, leaves thinking behind. sdp makes a good straight man. Eh? I LOL'ed at your reply! Cheers. |
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