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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 0:07:49 GMT -5
Please try! You as Awareness is observing and also you made it clear that this knowing is inseparable from awareness, If so who is creating? Awareness? Creation and perception are the same. This is true in one sense! But let's dive bit deeply here.
Are you creating your perception or perceiving your perception? You are perfectly perceiving what's arising or you are in a passive witnessing mode, that's what you say you are the not doer,no?
If you are creating then you must be having freewill to certain sense,eh?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 0:09:13 GMT -5
Yes, appearance is the creation. What is creation? What you are perceiving is creation because it is being created.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 0:10:20 GMT -5
An appearance that has only recently appeared. Recently appeared was created already. But what's appearing is being created and that's the creation.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 0:11:22 GMT -5
Creation and perception are the same. If they are the same, in other words, two words which have the same meaning, then I prefer to use only one word and that is appearance. How come two words creation and perception have the same meaning in English? Both have different meaning. But here he meant to say what's appearing is being created so both are same.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 0:12:44 GMT -5
An appearance that has only recently appeared. Creation implies there is a creator? If not then there is simply something appearing. Something appears from where? what else exist other than awareness? If it has to appear to you, then it must be from awareness,eh? If it's appearing from awareness then awareness is creating,yes?
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Post by satchitananda on Dec 1, 2019 0:13:29 GMT -5
What you are perceiving is creation because it is being created. What I know is that something appears. If you want to call that creation then who am I to argue with you. I don't know what creation means, but I do know when something appears. I cannot say how it appears or why it appears. It just appears and then disappears.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 0:13:59 GMT -5
Creation implies there is a creator? If not then there is simply something appearing. Creator implies an entity and those can't be found. So yes, creation is just what seems to have appeared. No no! Something or nothing or whatever it is that has to create it, otherwise how come something can simply appear? What is that which is creating your perception?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 0:15:54 GMT -5
Creator implies an entity and those can't be found. So yes, creation is just what seems to have appeared. There seems to be two kinds of creation. One is when something appears from nothing and the other is when one form changes into another form, like a lump of clay changing into a pot. So this Mr.Nothing is the creator? Tell me whether Nothingness is the awareness? Or Nothingness is different from awareness? If it's different then perception is coming from nothingness and arriving at your awareness? Very bad logic,eh?
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Post by satchitananda on Dec 1, 2019 0:16:46 GMT -5
There seems to be two kinds of creation. One is when something appears from nothing and the other is when one form changes into another form, like a lump of clay changing into a pot. So this Mr.Nothing is the creator? Tell me whether Nothingness is the awareness? Or Nothingness is different from awareness? If it's different then perception is coming from nothingness and arriving at your awareness? Very bad logic,eh? Logic has no part to play here. Logic is just for the mind.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 0:19:59 GMT -5
If they are the same, in other words, two words which have the same meaning, then I prefer to use only one word and that is appearance. They don't have the same meaning, which is why I can point out that ultimately they refer to the same process. Glad you've embraced the 'appearance' term. Yes, perfectly!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 0:22:39 GMT -5
So this Mr.Nothing is the creator? Tell me whether Nothingness is the awareness? Or Nothingness is different from awareness? If it's different then perception is coming from nothingness and arriving at your awareness? Very bad logic,eh? Logic has no part to play here. Logic is just for the mind. I am just confirming whether you believe that way. I am just confirming whether you believe that way?
Because you said you are not a doer, you can't agree with me now that awareness is the creator, If awareness is not the creator , then who is creating the perception in your awareness? You know nothing exist other awareness, eh?
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Post by satchitananda on Dec 1, 2019 0:24:39 GMT -5
Logic has no part to play here. Logic is just for the mind. I am just confirming whether you believe that way. I am just confirming whether you believe that way?
Because you said you are not a doer, you can't agree with me now that awareness is the creator, If awareness is not the creator , then who is creating the perception in your awareness? You know nothing exist other awareness, eh?
Is a creator an entity? Is awareness an entity?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 0:27:23 GMT -5
I am just confirming whether you believe that way. I am just confirming whether you believe that way?
Because you said you are not a doer, you can't agree with me now that awareness is the creator, If awareness is not the creator , then who is creating the perception in your awareness? You know nothing exist other awareness, eh?
Is a creator an entity? Is awareness an entity? You tell me what's this awareness because you say you have some kind of deep realization, I am a kind of guy who is interested in how universe unfolds . So you tell me what's this awareness and whether it's creating your perception?
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Post by satchitananda on Dec 1, 2019 0:29:19 GMT -5
Is a creator an entity? Is awareness an entity? You tell me what's this awareness because you say you have some kind of deep realization, I am a kind of guy who is interested in how universe unfolds with my illusion. So you tell me what's this awareness and whether it's creating your perception? I cannot tell you. I can only experience awareness. I'm not going to talk to you about beliefs or speculation or theories.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 2:09:38 GMT -5
You tell me what's this awareness because you say you have some kind of deep realization, I am a kind of guy who is interested in how universe unfolds with my illusion. So you tell me what's this awareness and whether it's creating your perception? I cannot tell you. I can only experience awareness. I'm not going to talk to you about beliefs or speculation or theories. This is not about speculation. If something is showing up in your awareness, it has to be created, no? Who else is creating if not awareness?
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