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Post by zendancer on Oct 5, 2019 9:54:10 GMT -5
Correct. It's only an insult for people who interpret the Bible literally and in the most cartoonish way. As for as I know, reading and understanding what author really means is a kind of skill. When reading Bible , people tries to find a perfect single meaning from all the books. But people did not realize that books were written at various times by various people. For an example Jesus is God or not is completely depends upon which book you read. If you read first century writting(Mark,Matthew,Luke), then Jesus is a mere a human directly created by God therefore he is a son of God and a ransom for human sin. But if you read Paul epistle(early first century writing) then he is the preexisting son of God but incarnated as a human and also a ransom. If you read second century book like John ,then he may be a God(we can't be sure) and incarnated as a human and also a ransom for human. BIBLE was written before 2000 years ago so it's not easy to read and understand in a single go. I was referring to a different kind of issue. After a deep kensho experience, the NT is understood in a completely different way. This is because people who have never had a ND experience have no reference for what's being pointed to. Most people understand that when Jesus said, "I am the door by which ye enter," his usage of the word "door" was a metaphor, but they never imagine that he probably was using the word "I" in a completely different way than usual. Someone once asked a Zen Master, "How does one enter the transcendental world?" The Zen Master replied, "Do you hear the bubbling creek beside us?" The fellow said, "Yes." The ZM then said, "That is the point of entry." It isn't recorded whether the fellow understood or not. Probably not. That story reminds me of Sokei-an, the first Zen Master to teach in New york about a hundred years ago. He wrote, "People ask me sometimes: 'Sokei-an, you have experienced the transcendental world, and you are still there--how do you feel?' I say, I feel just like this. I got into it in my twenties and I have been there ever since, so I haven't much experience of the other world." How did I get into it? Well, I shall tell you the truth. One day I wiped out all notions from my mind. I gave up all desire. I discarded all the words with which I thought and stayed in quietude. I felt a little strange, as if I were being carried into something, or as if I were touching some power unknown to me. I had been near it before; I had experienced it many times, but each time I had shaken my head and run away from it. This time I decided not to run away, and Ztt!---I entered. I lost the boundary of my physical body. I had my skin of course, but my physical body extended to the corners of the world. ....I had never known this world. I had believed that I was created, but now I had to change my opinion; I had never been created. I was the cosmos; no individual Mr. Sasaki existed. I went to my teacher. He looked at me and said, "Tell me about your new experience, your entering the transcendental world.' If i spoke, I would return to the old world. If I said one word, I would step out of the new world I had entered. I looked at his face. He smiled at me. He also did not say a word. There is only one key that opens the door to the transcendental world. I can find no word for it in English. Zttt!--you enter the transcendental world. In one moment you enter, and in one moment your view becomes entirely different. Then you understand why people build churches and sing hymns and do strange things. Yes, there is another world. I live in one world but you live in a different world."
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Post by lopezcabellero on Oct 5, 2019 11:48:57 GMT -5
On the all programming being God thing, that happens in a round about way. The logic typically goes, if the present moment is all there is, was, or will be, then everything is now and even I am God or at least not separate from creation in any actual way. As such, my past programming doesn't exist in its own right because all is now and all is God. But yea, the way I worded it does sounds silly because it is silly. As far as Mark, and calling him out. Well in terms of evolution being battle tested Mark points out some issues with the absence of evidence thingy. I remember him blathering on about chromosome 2. Now I'm not a geneticist but apparently the presence of this chromosome requires the fusion of two other chromosomes, a fusion that doesn't typically happen in nature. Additionally, there is a complete absence of any transitional fossils, meaning, not one transitional fossil. When we think evolution, I'm sure anyone reading this thinks of the cartoon picture of the caveman evolving and eventually ending up on two feet. But a lot of that is not directly supported by evidence. In terms of the fusion required for chromosome 2, Mark states this is evidence for interference theory. When we leave the box of archaeology and look at the earliest known texts of the Sumerians (have you read the stories of the Anunaki and the two brothers?), in addition to all the other unexplained evidence that is potentially alien in nature, you have at least a case for interference theory, which is to say, that humans were created through the science of a different species, and wouldn't have evolved on their own. And so unlike Darwin, interference theory considers the earliest texts of humankind. Ironically, evolution proponents feel the fusion of chromosome 2 is evidence of evolution itself, while folks who back the creation story take it as evidence that God intervened. They can't all be right. Now, as far as interference theory, there are some gaping holes. Firstly, if a species had the technology to alter DNA and travel great distances if not interdimensionally, why not use robotics to accomplish whatever was desired to be accomplished? Meaning, is DNA technology dependent on other technology? Second, there is no tangible evidence or fossil records of these beings, which of course doesn't mean they didn't exist. But as far as Darwin being battle tested, if there is clear and convincing evidence that the fusion required for chromosome 2 happened naturally, I'm curious to hear about that. As of now, it seems mostly like speculation to support a desired conclusion, which has ego written all over it. I mean, how horrifying would it be to find out the human race is a pod race? And say what you will about the similarities to chimps, at the end of the day, how do you explain the differences, which are also staggering in number? Personally, as far as we can tell creation could have started 5 minutes ago and everything anyone can remember about anything could just be an experiential implant from a creative source. When you get down to how shaky is the foundation to all knowledge, what can really be known? But simply because you can't actually know what we're talking about, every human could believe something that's not true, and it is these very beliefs that form the backbone for spirit cloaking and mind control that perpetuates division and degradation, which we all agree is happening. To dismiss the worst case scenario, that you and I are pods, may not be the most intelligent thing to do until we've looked at this from every angle. But of course, life rolls on. I appreciate the research and information other great thinkers are able to provide. Nature can be cruel, you're right, and as the development of human empathy unravels so will the universe which we know change. The mind identification complex involves the repression of pain and unwanted emotion, and to the extent that complex may involve emotions about God abandonment based on being a pod, I'm open to a bat maybe existing in the belfry. I think some of us are so disillusioned we are able to laugh at the prospect, which doesn't mean nightmare scenarios which may create or even represent the bulk of humanity's pain need to be true. Meaning, one common dynamic in people that have had a rough go of it is the unconscious compulsion to want others to suffer pain, as a twisted form of divine justice. And in my opinion, this is where I am leaning with interference theory. But it's certainly not a fore drawn conclusion. What say you? Circa 2006-2009, I was reading a lot of channelings and stuff generally related to the creation of the human species. It's quite a pleasure to revisit these ideas, I haven't thought about it in a while, my attention is normally wrapped up in the relatively mundane world of british politics. Anyway, my understanding was (and is) that the human species was indeed an experiment by our galactic family. Our genes are partially derived from a mixture of our galactic neighbours, including Arcturian, Syrian, Reptilian and others. Not all humans were created with the same blueprint, the 'elites' over the centuries know this, and hence why they try to keep their bloodline pure (but unfortunately for them, after many years, it's all beginning to look a bit 'Deliverance'). There was a reason for the experiment. Several 'alien' races (including reptilians) have been stuck at a particular level of evolution for a long time and are seeking to evolve. By studying human evolution, they could acquire the necessary knowledge that could help them to evolve. Specifically, the test was to see if humans could awaken to their true nature over a period of time. They were given the apparatus and conditions to make them unconscious BUT they were also given 'access' to higher intelligence through dreams, intuition and imagination. In a sense, the test was to see if this 'access' would be enough to ensure their awakening as a species. There have been difficulties during the experiment that have had to be addressed. Those with stronger reptilian bloodline basically became a bit big for their boots and began to seek ultimate control of the earth. They see their bloodline as superior and consider themselves to be the true inheritors. They believe that it is both right and compassionate for the rest of the species to basically be their slaves. So, to counter this problem, several highly evolved beings were sent to earth, that had little 'human experience' but didn't need it. Buddha, Jesus etc are these beings. In addition, a bunch of beings were nominated with the role of balancing the troublesome beings by holding the energy of love and acceptance. These beings are often living normal lives, in the 'shadows'. They can probably be found on spiritual forums, but they aren't necessarily obviously 'spiritual' in their thoughts, they could be the drunk on the street. Over a very long period, the experiment has been a success. Awakening is happening. In addition, our genes are no longer exactly the same as they were 5000 years ago, or even 500 years ago, so the beings born today are much more receptive to awakening. Often we hear spiritual folks talk about this in terms of 'indigo' or 'crystal' or 'rainbow' children. I have no idea what the current label is. But of course the elites still exist and are using all the tricks they have. The 'war' of energy is over at the higher levels of evolution, but it's still playing out on earth. Personally, my opinion is that it is useful for people to know the truth of their galactic origins. When we know that we have family in the stars, that life is multi-dimensional, that we're not isolated and alone on a rock with limited and scarce resources, it will resolve a great deal of people's existential issues. Simply, it's just not good for us to live a lie. In addition, the knowledge will give us permission to really begin to tune into the value of dreams, intuition and imagination. And also, the idea that we evolved directly from chimps seems quite ludicrous to me. I think we accept it on the basis that we don't have a better idea, and the elites have done a great job of ridiculing the idea of 'believing in aliens', though these days, it seems a great many do believe. There's a decent docu on Netflix called 'Unacknowledged'. Well, I don't really see awakening as the purpose of human creation, as awakening is so often brought about through the inability to function unconsciously as opposed to a desire for greater consciousness. Meaning, people prefer to remain within personality addictions than to release the pain driving these addictions. Although if you're talking about a divine purpose, that's fine. I just don't see the rationale behind an alien species creating humans so that we could transcend our own retardation. There's a book called the Twelfth Planet provides a theory as to how humans were created and why the fossil record is incomplete, if not illogical in its conclusions. I read about 30 pages last night. It reads a bit like a history book, but it's been informative for me as to what archaeology actually entails, as well as things like translation of texts from tablets and things of the sort. It seems there is a general consensus that human writing began with Sumerians, and that the Bible, and many of its stories, are at the very least watered down versions of things that exist in the historical record many years prior. When I finish (if i do) the book I'll post back anything insightful I'm able to draw. Something mentioned in the book as well as by Passio is the Sumerian tablet of the head with something that appear like 'goggles'. And this was created by or around the time of a ruler who credits his ability to win battles to Enlil who he thinks of as a god.
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Post by lopezcabellero on Oct 5, 2019 12:05:04 GMT -5
Sure, but if you look at the early drawings of the Anunaki from our earliest known human ancestors, we could say we look more like them than Lucy. The absence of transitional fossils means just that, no human bones in the hominid species. As far as what differentiates Lucy’s shin from ours, I’ll have to check the sacred texts. But maybe you’re right, maybe the Anunaki folk are splitting hairs. Most such folk date their arrival and departure to be around 400 to 200,000 years ago. Most of my Mark viewing is 2-3 years in the rear view, so I’m certainly not the best person to make the case. But bulk of the evidence comes from the Sumerian texts, which basically posits hybridization and humans having masters, which is an interesting story for them to just make up. Which is why the best way to tackle a collective delusion, if it is one, may be through a two prong approach including ancient psychology and modern archaeology, not to mention that fusion of chromosome 2 that some experts claim cannot happen without an intervening cause. Write back in a few days... Starfish dude. Explain me away the 5-thingy before I read Sumerian texts. Just because Lucy's finger isn't exactly Home Sapien, the fact that her spine is unlike any ape's but more like an H.S. is proof enough for me of the likely relationship -- though of course, I don't own a time machine. Neither do the Anunaki proponents. If you're happy with "channeled" interpretations of ancient texts as supportive of their position, that's fine, but I can certainly understand why they don't accept that in academia. So I did some research into chromosome two and the fusion apparently necessary for its creation. Basically, apes and our predecessors had 24 pairs of chromosomes while humans as we know possess only 23. Chromosome 2 in the human helix was discovered in 1991 to be a fusion between 2 of our assumed predecessors chromosomes. There are a few types of fusion scenarios in living animals. All known fusions involving living animals fall into the fusion of satellite DNA with satellite DNA, or with satellite DNA and telomere DNA. Telomeres are the regions at the end of chromosomes that contain thousands of repeats of the DNA sequence. In the case of chromosome 2, strangely, we see a telomere - telomere fusion. If real, this would be the first documented case ever seen in nature. Which begs the question, what are the causal forces behind this type of fusion? There is some existing debate of the fusion actually is telomere-telomere, but reagardless of the expert, it seems they agree the fusion involved the loss and rearrangement of part of the genetic material. It's also said that a 46 chromosome hominid or species could not mate with a 48 chromosome species. So there is a theory that the fusion acted as a prevention mechanism against humans breeding with apes, and of course a theory that a more intelligent being intervened. With intervention theory, you do have some supporting evidence even in the bible, where it is said, There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. The first mention of "sons of God" in the Hebrew Bible occurs at Genesis 6:1–4
So, for those who believe in Darwinian evolution, there is an obvious need to explain chromosome 2 fusion.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2019 22:29:25 GMT -5
As for as I know, reading and understanding what author really means is a kind of skill. When reading Bible , people tries to find a perfect single meaning from all the books. But people did not realize that books were written at various times by various people. For an example Jesus is God or not is completely depends upon which book you read. If you read first century writting(Mark,Matthew,Luke), then Jesus is a mere a human directly created by God therefore he is a son of God and a ransom for human sin. But if you read Paul epistle(early first century writing) then he is the preexisting son of God but incarnated as a human and also a ransom. If you read second century book like John ,then he may be a God(we can't be sure) and incarnated as a human and also a ransom for human. BIBLE was written before 2000 years ago so it's not easy to read and understand in a single go. Any non-zealot who has not smoked a pound of ganja will read an English translation of the Old or New Testament, especially the Old, and say WTF. People living inside whales. Talking snakes. Stoning kids to death. Boat with ALL species. Horns that knock down walls. Disney couldn't even come close to a fantasy ride that far out. See unless you get tired of this crazy world, like I do, it's important to keep those distinctions twixt the real and imaginary hard. Like some folks find solace in calling the real imaginary. Seems like pot would be better for that than crazy talk. What makes you to think that I am inside this crazy world?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2019 22:34:38 GMT -5
As for as I know, reading and understanding what author really means is a kind of skill. When reading Bible , people tries to find a perfect single meaning from all the books. But people did not realize that books were written at various times by various people. For an example Jesus is God or not is completely depends upon which book you read. If you read first century writting(Mark,Matthew,Luke), then Jesus is a mere a human directly created by God therefore he is a son of God and a ransom for human sin. But if you read Paul epistle(early first century writing) then he is the preexisting son of God but incarnated as a human and also a ransom. If you read second century book like John ,then he may be a God(we can't be sure) and incarnated as a human and also a ransom for human. BIBLE was written before 2000 years ago so it's not easy to read and understand in a single go. I was referring to a different kind of issue. After a deep kensho experience, the NT is understood in a completely different way. This is because people who have never had a ND experience have no reference for what's being pointed to. Most people understand that when Jesus said, "I am the door by which ye enter," his usage of the word "door" was a metaphor, but they never imagine that he probably was using the word "I" in a completely different way than usual. Someone once asked a Zen Master, "How does one enter the transcendental world?" The Zen Master replied, "Do you hear the bubbling creek beside us?" The fellow said, "Yes." The ZM then said, "That is the point of entry." It isn't recorded whether the fellow understood or not. Probably not. That story reminds me of Sokei-an, the first Zen Master to teach in New york about a hundred years ago. He wrote, "People ask me sometimes: 'Sokei-an, you have experienced the transcendental world, and you are still there--how do you feel?' I say, I feel just like this. I got into it in my twenties and I have been there ever since, so I haven't much experience of the other world." How did I get into it? Well, I shall tell you the truth. One day I wiped out all notions from my mind. I gave up all desire. I discarded all the words with which I thought and stayed in quietude. I felt a little strange, as if I were being carried into something, or as if I were touching some power unknown to me. I had been near it before; I had experienced it many times, but each time I had shaken my head and run away from it. This time I decided not to run away, and Ztt!---I entered. I lost the boundary of my physical body. I had my skin of course, but my physical body extended to the corners of the world. ....I had never known this world. I had believed that I was created, but now I had to change my opinion; I had never been created. I was the cosmos; no individual Mr. Sasaki existed. I went to my teacher. He looked at me and said, "Tell me about your new experience, your entering the transcendental world.' If i spoke, I would return to the old world. If I said one word, I would step out of the new world I had entered. I looked at his face. He smiled at me. He also did not say a word. There is only one key that opens the door to the transcendental world. I can find no word for it in English. Zttt!--you enter the transcendental world. In one moment you enter, and in one moment your view becomes entirely different. Then you understand why people build churches and sing hymns and do strange things. Yes, there is another world. I live in one world but you live in a different world." You might have had bigger realization, I don't doubt that. But when you take Bible verse to assist some of your realization, you terribly go wrong. When Jesus says I am the door, he is saying believing his death for sins of humanity and the resurrection is the only way to the Father, nothing else. He clearly believes in Personal God whom he consider as his own Father. He believes that every miracle he had done in his life time is actually done by the one who is within him. He might have misunderstood the unversal power as his Father but he believes in Personal God. There is no second thought there. Meet you again if any Bible conversation raised up here. Until then bye.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2019 22:47:49 GMT -5
Any non-zealot who has not smoked a pound of ganja will read an English translation of the Old or New Testament, especially the Old, and say WTF. People living inside whales. Talking snakes. Stoning kids to death. Boat with ALL species. Horns that knock down walls. Disney couldn't even come close to a fantasy ride that far out. See unless you get tired of this crazy world, like I do, it's important to keep those distinctions twixt the real and imaginary hard. Like some folks find solace in calling the real imaginary. Seems like pot would be better for that than crazy talk. What makes you to think that I am inside this crazy world? Don't you get tired of saying stuff like "the world is inside me." All this ND palavering.
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Post by satchitananda on Oct 5, 2019 23:41:03 GMT -5
What makes you to think that I am inside this crazy world? Don't you get tired of saying stuff like "the world is inside me." All this ND palavering. Tell him there's no inside or outside. That'll stop him in his tracks. You can counter ndSpeak with ndSpeak!
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Post by satchitananda on Oct 5, 2019 23:54:17 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2019 4:33:16 GMT -5
What makes you to think that I am inside this crazy world? Don't you get tired of saying stuff like "the world is inside me." All this ND palavering. Don't get confused with my philosophical topic with religious topic. I am interested in religious and also I am interested in how consciousness creates the reality.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2019 4:37:39 GMT -5
Don't you get tired of saying stuff like "the world is inside me." All this ND palavering. Tell him there's no inside or outside. That'll stop him in his tracks. You can counter ndSpeak with ndSpeak! Self-aware entity that believes it is a person in a world full of people, history, and particular physics. But such a person - let's say you - is only full of all the knowledge and experiences because you are made that way. There is nothing really there but your self-awareness.So no outer world exist in itself.
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Post by andrew on Oct 6, 2019 4:41:55 GMT -5
What makes you to think that I am inside this crazy world? Don't you get tired of saying stuff like "the world is inside me." All this ND palavering. ''Please, don't talk to me about 'Pure Awareness' or 'Dwelling in the Absolute'. I want to see how you treat your partner, your kids, your parents, your friends, your precious body. Please, don't lecture me about 'the illusion of the separate self' or how you achieved permanent bliss in just 7 days. I want to feel a genuine warmth radiating from your heart.I want to hear how well you listen, take in information that doesn't fit your personal philosophy. I want to see how you deal with people who disagree with you. Don't tell me how awakened you are, how free you are from ego. I want to know you beneath the words. I want to know what you're like when troubles befall you. If you can fully allow your pain and not pretend to be invulnerable. If you can feel your anger yet not step into violence. If you can grant safe passage to your sorrow yet not be its slave. If you can feel your shame and not shame others: If you can fuck up, and admit it. If you can say 'sorry', and really mean it. If you can be fully human in your glorious divinity. Don't talk to me about your spirituality, friend. I'm really not that interested. I only want to meet YOU. Know your precious heart. Know the beautiful human struggling for the light. Before 'the spiritual one'. Before all the clever words.'' - Jeff Foster
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Post by andrew on Oct 6, 2019 4:43:15 GMT -5
Tell him there's no inside or outside. That'll stop him in his tracks. You can counter ndSpeak with ndSpeak! Self-aware entity that believes it is a person in a world full of people, history, and particular physics. But such a person - let's say you - is only full of all the knowledge and experiences because you are made that way. There is nothing really there but your self-awareness.So no outer world exist in itself. There's no inner world exist itself. Either inner and outer exist together. Or neither exist.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2019 4:48:27 GMT -5
Self-aware entity that believes it is a person in a world full of people, history, and particular physics. But such a person - let's say you - is only full of all the knowledge and experiences because you are made that way. There is nothing really there but your self-awareness.So no outer world exist in itself. There's no inner world exist itself. Either inner and outer exist together. Or neither exist. I just want to let you know that I don't want to continue any philosophical topic like this in ST. I want to continue that kind of topic in Gap. I am looking into ST regularly for a good religious conversation. For an example If somebody is interested to discuss about Bible or Jesus. I replied to Satch because he had a wrong thought about my idea
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Post by andrew on Oct 6, 2019 4:50:07 GMT -5
There's no inner world exist itself. Either inner and outer exist together. Or neither exist. I just want to let you know that I don't want to continue any philosophical topic like this in ST. I want to continue that kind of topic in Gap. I am looking into ST for a good religious conversation. I replied to Watch because he had a wrong thought about my idea Who is Watch? Zaz?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2019 4:51:23 GMT -5
I just want to let you know that I don't want to continue any philosophical topic like this in ST. I want to continue that kind of topic in Gap. I am looking into ST for a good religious conversation. I replied to Watch because he had a wrong thought about my idea Who is Watch? Zaz? I corrected that mistake but you are so fast to reply me.
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