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Post by laughter on Oct 1, 2019 9:43:54 GMT -5
Well, that's an interesting way to look at it. We could also say, for example, that there are zero cobblestones on I-95.  Personally, I see it as a fallacy. Lucy looks more like a human than she does a gorilla. She has what's recognizable as a ribcage, pelvis, shins, thighs, etc. Point being that Anunaki folk claim Lucy or a hominid was fused with Anunaki genes to make humans. Watching my son age from 2 into his 3s I cannot deny he is a little šµ monkey. Anyway, going on quick vacay for few days Andrew gotta discuss these channeling very interesting phenomenon once heard the Plaedians are 6th dimensional human spirits that sometimes say their from a different world but will discuss later Convincing other people that you're channeling higher beings conveys an economic advantage, potentially based on deception, that leads me to be naturally suspicious of the claim.  |
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Post by laughter on Oct 1, 2019 9:48:46 GMT -5
Is that because, ultimately, the stories of human origin, are just .. well .. you know .. stories? yay! we have common-ground!  |
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Post by laughter on Oct 1, 2019 10:01:46 GMT -5
Yes, and the fossil evidence has expanded rapidly over the last year or so, and paleontologists are beginning to get a much clearer picture of how the australopithicines migrated out of Africa and what happened to the various species sequentially. When I get a chance, I'll post some of the recent discoveries and some of the websites where up-to-date info can be found. The crux of the matter here is how to correctly date what's been excavated. Not just fossils, but also artifacts and entire cities. That's where the confusion is. I'm not claiming to have the answer, but it's pretty clear to me that lines between fact and fiction disappeared at some point and need to be redrawn. Well, the thing is that there are at least two different methods of dating, that if you can get them to agree, they're pretty convincing. One is radioactive decay, and the other is sedimentary lines - look, for example, at the pictures from the Grand Canyon. Then there are additional methods that can pile on like ice cores and tree rings. So, for example, you can date a volcanic eruption by it's dust in an ice core, correlate that with the cooling it caused by tree-ring patterns, and, if that is recent enough, further correlate it with written sources. Obviously no written sources going that far back, but all the physical methods apply. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2019 10:52:49 GMT -5
Point being that Anunaki folk claim Lucy or a hominid was fused with Anunaki genes to make humans. Watching my son age from 2 into his 3s I cannot deny he is a little šµ monkey. Anyway, going on quick vacay for few days Andrew gotta discuss these channeling very interesting phenomenon once heard the Plaedians are 6th dimensional human spirits that sometimes say their from a different world but will discuss later Convincing other people that you're channeling higher beings conveys an economic advantage, potentially based on deception, that leads me to be naturally suspicious of the claim. The percent of ancient ruling classes claiming divine, heavenly, origins is not low. This is wishful thinking, a la "Jesus walked on water." True the evolutionary saga is incomplete, but it is headed there rapidly, especially with the advent of mitochondrial dna research. |
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Post by zendancer on Oct 1, 2019 11:08:48 GMT -5
Convincing other people that you're channeling higher beings conveys an economic advantage, potentially based on deception, that leads me to be naturally suspicious of the claim. The percent of ancient ruling classes claiming divine, heavenly, origins is not low. This is wishful thinking, a la "Jesus walked on water." True the evolutionary saga is incomplete, but it is headed there rapidly, especially with the advent of mitochondrial dna research. Yes, indeed. Those who are interested can google "Top 5 human evolution discoveries in 2018" and "Top 5 in 2017," to get a sense of how rapidly this field is advancing. When I was in school, there were only two good dating methods (carbon 14 up to 50,000 years and potassium argon isotope relationship dating capable of going back hundreds of thousands of years), but now there are at least 8 or 10 other methods that are similarly precise compared to things like tree rings, ice cores, and stratigraphic sequences. Most researchers in this field now try to get three datings using different methods that closely agree before stating the age of a fossil. Mitochondrial dna research is what determined that a Neanderthal female mated with a Denisovan male to produce the child whose teeth were recently discovered. Mitochondrial dna is transmitted by the mother. |
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Post by andrew on Oct 1, 2019 11:55:55 GMT -5
yes partly, though that doesn't adequately explain why I engage a lot in political stories. So partly it's also about the fact that I don't have my hands in the dirt like someone like David Wilco.ck does. I can't back up the ideas that resonate with me beyond, 'well, I think it's true' lol. Whereas I can back up current political stuff to a much greater extent and depth. yay! we have common-ground!  |
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Post by andrew on Oct 1, 2019 12:05:04 GMT -5
Convincing other people that you're channeling higher beings conveys an economic advantage, potentially based on deception, that leads me to be naturally suspicious of the claim. The percent of ancient ruling classes claiming divine, heavenly, origins is not low. This is wishful thinking, a la "Jesus walked on water." True the evolutionary saga is incomplete, but it is headed there rapidly, especially with the advent of mitochondrial dna research. There's certainly overwhelming evidence, today and in the past, that the elites have dabbled in the occult. 'Dabbled' is an understatement. It could of course just be a mental way of handling the very odd position of being 'royal'. How does one justify to themselves, their position? There's a level at which they would have to believe they deserve it, or that it's a rightful position. Just as a billionaire has to justify their wealth to themselves. |
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Post by laughter on Oct 1, 2019 12:22:25 GMT -5
yay! we have common-ground!  |
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Post by laughter on Oct 1, 2019 12:26:25 GMT -5
Convincing other people that you're channeling higher beings conveys an economic advantage, potentially based on deception, that leads me to be naturally suspicious of the claim. . This is wishful thinking, a la "Jesus walked on water." True the evolutionary saga is incomplete, but it is headed there rapidly, especially with the advent of mitochondrial dna research. Where's Madam DeFarge when ya' need her? |
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Post by lopezcabellero on Oct 1, 2019 20:10:02 GMT -5
Sure, but if you look at the early drawings of the Anunaki from our earliest known human ancestors, we could say we look more like them than Lucy. The absence of transitional fossils means just that, no human bones in the hominid species. As far as what differentiates Lucyās shin from ours, Iāll have to check the sacred texts. But maybe youāre right, maybe the Anunaki folk are splitting hairs. Most such folk date their arrival and departure to be around 400 to 200,000 years ago. Most of my Mark viewing is 2-3 years in the rear view, so Iām certainly not the best person to make the case. But bulk of the evidence comes from the Sumerian texts, which basically posits hybridization and humans having masters, which is an interesting story for them to just make up. Which is why the best way to tackle a collective delusion, if it is one, may be through a two prong approach including ancient psychology and modern archaeology, not to mention that fusion of chromosome 2 that some experts claim cannot happen without an intervening cause. Write back in a few days... Starfish dude. Explain me away the 5-thingy before I read Sumerian texts. Just because Lucy's finger isn't exactly Home Sapien, the fact that her spine is unlike any ape's but more like an H.S. is proof enough for me of the likely relationship -- though of course, I don't own a time machine. Neither do the Anunaki proponents. If you're happy with "channeled" interpretations of ancient texts as supportive of their position, that's fine, but I can certainly understand why they don't accept that in academia.  Iāll look into the starfish thing, but didnāt mean to imply anything from Mark or Annunaki stuff is channeled. The Sumerian texts are the first know human writings. Andrew mentioned palaedians and reptilians, and that stuff comes from channels, and a lot of it is distorted, which is what I was trying to draw attention to. The Palaedians and reptilians stuff has little to do with the Annunaki for the most part,and Iāve heard else where that the Palaedians are humans that lived on Earth. This, they far post date the Annunaki. Also, you go to Church sometimes, and Iām sure youāre familiar with Adam and Eve. āAdamaā is in the Sumerian texts. The whole Adamand Eve story is in there, except the creator isnāt God but highly intellectual but unempathetic madman, according to the interpretations I read. Regardless, Iām still unsure how starfish have anything to do with this, but Iāll reread your other post and see if youāre onto something. Anyway, gotta boogie. Hey reefs how ya been?! Iāll check the drawing thing I think I remember hearing that. |
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Post by andrew on Oct 2, 2019 2:53:53 GMT -5
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Post by laughter on Oct 2, 2019 2:57:18 GMT -5
Starfish dude. Explain me away the 5-thingy before I read Sumerian texts. Just because Lucy's finger isn't exactly Home Sapien, the fact that her spine is unlike any ape's but more like an H.S. is proof enough for me of the likely relationship -- though of course, I don't own a time machine. Neither do the Anunaki proponents. If you're happy with "channeled" interpretations of ancient texts as supportive of their position, that's fine, but I can certainly understand why they don't accept that in academia. Iāll look into the starfish thing, but didnāt mean to imply anything from Mark or Annunaki stuff is channeled. The Sumerian texts are the first know human writings. Andrew mentioned palaedians and reptilians, and that stuff comes from channels, and a lot of it is distorted, which is what I was trying to draw attention to. The Palaedians and reptilians stuff has little to do with the Annunaki for the most part,and Iāve heard else where that the Palaedians are humans that lived on Earth. This, they far post date the Annunaki. Also, you go to Church sometimes, and Iām sure youāre familiar with Adam and Eve. āAdamaā is in the Sumerian texts. The whole Adamand Eve story is in there, except the creator isnāt God but highly intellectual but unempathetic madman, according to the interpretations I read. Regardless, Iām still unsure how starfish have anything to do with this, but Iāll reread your other post and see if youāre onto something. Anyway, gotta boogie. Hey reefs how ya been?! Iāll check the drawing thing I think I remember hearing that. ok, gotcha' on the distinction between the Ananuki and channeled material. I was aware from other sources that many of the parables in the bible were old stories taken from elsewhere - certainly in the new testament, say, for instance, the virgin birth, which I guess came from Persia. And, if I'm not mistaken, the Hebrew culture that wrote down the Adam and Eve story emerged several thousand years into the story of the region, so, it wouldn't surprise me if that was derivative as well. But what if the idea of the overlords as being non-human was the result of a game of historical telephone? What if, instead, they were colonists or refugees from a human civilization that was more technically advanced than the ancient Sumerians? Compare that notion, say, to the way the Aztec's reportedly related the arrival of the Spanish to their lore about the coming of one of their "Gods". Here's the significance of starfish. If you notice, your body has five branching points: two arms, two legs, and a head. Your face, which branches from your head, has: two eyes, two nostrils and a mouth. Each of your appendages has five branches into fingers/toes. The similarity with the starfish is no accident, it's genetic. So if an antelope is related to something as simple as a starfish this way, it seems to suggest to me that the evolution of H.S. from something chimp-like into us is even less of a change, most of it being in terms of mind. This isn't to preclude the possibility of alien interference, simply to point out that, in the grand sweep of all the planet flora, generally, evolution is sufficient to explain the diversity without any need for that interference. |
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Post by Reefs on Oct 3, 2019 10:58:58 GMT -5
So, Atlantis = Hawaii?  Compare that to Seth's take on the Atlantis story here. |
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Post by Reefs on Oct 3, 2019 11:27:39 GMT -5
The crux of the matter here is how to correctly date what's been excavated. Not just fossils, but also artifacts and entire cities. That's where the confusion is. I'm not claiming to have the answer, but it's pretty clear to me that lines between fact and fiction disappeared at some point and need to be redrawn. Well, the thing is that there are at least two different methods of dating, that if you can get them to agree, they're pretty convincing. One is radioactive decay, and the other is sedimentary lines - look, for example, at the pictures from the Grand Canyon. Then there are additional methods that can pile on like ice cores and tree rings. So, for example, you can date a volcanic eruption by it's dust in an ice core, correlate that with the cooling it caused by tree-ring patterns, and, if that is recent enough, further correlate it with written sources. Obviously no written sources going that far back, but all the physical methods apply. There are a lot more methods of dating. And usually they are combined. The biggest problem here is confirmation bias. And the Grand Canyon is an interesting example on many counts. There was a recent case in Alaska I think where a volcanic eruption created a Grand-Canyon-like scenery within a couple of days instead of millions of years. So, imagine your wedding ring would have got lost there in the sediments that day and a hundred years later they dig it up, unaware of what happened a hundred years ago in this place, and started determining its age based on their current sedimentary lines theory... What would be the 'scientific' age of your wedding ring?  |
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Post by andrew on Oct 3, 2019 11:59:23 GMT -5
So, Atlantis = Hawaii? Compare that to Seth's take on the Atlantis story here. This was Kryon in the link I gave: ''There are those who would confuse Lemuria with what you have called Atlantis. Now here is information that many won't believe. For not much is really known about Atlantis. Your historians are guessing. Let me tell you about Atlantis. There are two of them - old Atlantis and young Atlantis. They are far, far apart, both physically and in time. The one that is being searched for now is much younger than you might think. For the new Atlantis civilization had a great deal of similarity to the Egyptian civilization at the same time. One was a result of evolution of men from Western Europe, and the other was a result of evolution of men from the Middle East. "Kryon, where is the most recent Atlantis?" Well, let me give you a hint: It is close by. Look for it on the other side of the boot. That's all I'm going to say. [Remember that this channelling was being given in the western Mediterranean Sea, so these referenced directions are from where the cruise ship was in the ocean at that moment. The other side of the boot (other side of the bottom of Italy), from where the ship was sailing, places it near Greece and Crete. The cruise ship had just left Rome when this information was given.] "Kryon, where is old Atlantis?" The answer is that it was in the Pacific, far from the newer one, and ancient in comparison. It was a settlement of Lemuria, and did not hold the Lemurian consciousness for long. It became the model for slavery and decadence. Technology was misused. It is not for me to give more about that now.'' |
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