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Post by tenka on Mar 29, 2019 9:18:26 GMT -5
Truth relates to an association doesn't it. If there is no association there cannot be any truth. A concept can be used as a pointer, but in the context of being told a truth, then yep, it relates to an association. So if the association is false / illusory then so is the truth that has been appointed .. This is the same scenario as the dream character speaking the truth or being outside the dream, it doesn't work. This is why foundations have to be rock solid.
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Post by andrew on Mar 29, 2019 9:20:40 GMT -5
A concept can be used as a pointer, but in the context of being told a truth, then yep, it relates to an association. So if the association is false / illusory then so is the truth that has been appointed ..
This is the same scenario as the dream character speaking the truth or being outside the dream, it doesn't work.This is why foundations have to be rock solid. If I am understanding you right, I agree.
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Post by siftingtothetruth on Mar 29, 2019 9:23:49 GMT -5
Right, I could give you the commonsense answer and say yes, but it wouldn't be true. Which do you want -- the answer you expect, or the truth? The truth is that there is no such thing called brushing your teeth. If there is no such thing as brushing your teeth how do you have a reference for it? How do you know what I am talking about. When I ask you about brushing teeth you know I don't mean wiping your butt, right? So lets relate to what you know I am saying and from that level of understanding, was there the brushing of teeth. You say there is no such thing but did you taste the toothpaste? Don't tell me there is no such thing as taste either and yet you can tell apart the taste of toothpaste from dirt right? If there is no such thing as brushing your teeth, there's no such thing as me, there's no such thing as having a reference for it, and there's no such thing as knowing what you're talking about. These aren't words I'm writing. Doesn’t that follow?
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Post by siftingtothetruth on Mar 29, 2019 9:25:11 GMT -5
Right, I could give you the commonsense answer and say yes, but it wouldn't be true. Which do you want -- the answer you expect, or the truth? The truth is that there is no such thing called brushing your teeth. I think consistency here demands then that there's no truth either Even that would be a statement making a claim as to truth, though, wouldn't it? That "there is no truth."
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Post by andrew on Mar 29, 2019 9:28:59 GMT -5
I think consistency here demands then that there's no truth either Even that would be a statement making a claim as to truth, though, wouldn't it? That "there is no truth." yeah, any claim/statement would be misconceived. Even this one. D'oh!
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Post by tenka on Mar 29, 2019 9:29:21 GMT -5
If there is no such thing as brushing your teeth how do you have a reference for it? How do you know what I am talking about. When I ask you about brushing teeth you know I don't mean wiping your butt, right? So lets relate to what you know I am saying and from that level of understanding, was there the brushing of teeth. You say there is no such thing but did you taste the toothpaste? Don't tell me there is no such thing as taste either and yet you can tell apart the taste of toothpaste from dirt right? If there is no such thing as brushing your teeth, there's no such thing as me, there's no such thing as having a reference for it, and there's no such thing as knowing what you're talking about. These aren't words I'm writing. Doesn’t that follow? Did who taste the toothpaste? There's no such thing as me; haven't I already said that? But there is .. So all your doing is saying that it didn't happen when it did . It's not a great foundation you have in my opinion. The fact that we are talking about it must ring some bells? You can also say that there is no 'you' to taste toothpaste and yet you' still keep brushing .. why is that?I would believe you somewhat if you genuinely asked me what teeth are .. but all you are doing is pointing away from what you are experiencing with holding onto a belief that there is no you here. The convo with andy just now regarding truth relates to an association and a belief. You say there is no you and no beliefs but you continue to hold a certain position that relates to no you lol. It doesn't add up . You don't continue to hold a position if there is no you to hold a position.
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Post by siftingtothetruth on Mar 29, 2019 9:37:26 GMT -5
If there is no such thing as brushing your teeth, there's no such thing as me, there's no such thing as having a reference for it, and there's no such thing as knowing what you're talking about. These aren't words I'm writing. Doesn’t that follow? Did who taste the toothpaste? There's no such thing as me; haven't I already said that? But there is .. So all your doing is saying that it didn't happen when it did . It's not a great foundation you have in my opinion. The fact that we are talking about it must ring some bells? You can also say that there is no 'you' to taste toothpaste and yet you' still keep brushing .. Clearly if there is no you to taste toothpaste there is no brushing going on either. There appears to you to be brushing going on. It may appear to you that I am brushing if you watched me. But that is wrong. The image and interpretation you have are wrong. It may appear to you that I am taking a position. That too is wrong. No, it is not a belief. Holding a position is not holding a position. Read those words again. That's the truth.
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Post by tenka on Mar 29, 2019 9:44:59 GMT -5
But there is .. So all your doing is saying that it didn't happen when it did . It's not a great foundation you have in my opinion. The fact that we are talking about it must ring some bells? You can also say that there is no 'you' to taste toothpaste and yet you' still keep brushing .. Clearly if there is no you to taste toothpaste there is no brushing going on either. There appears to you to be brushing going on. It may appear to you that I am brushing if you watched me. But that is wrong. The image and interpretation you have are wrong. It may appear to you that I am taking a position. That too is wrong. So talk me through the procedure in regards to this appearance of brushing teeth. How does the toothbrush end up in the appearance of a mouth.No, it is not a belief. It is a belief . You believe something to be true and that is based upon a belief. You cannot say there is no one to brush teeth but there is this truth present. if there is no-one brushing teeth there is no-one that truth pertains too. How has this truth managed to flow through your appearance of lips and voice box?
Holding a position is not holding a position. Read those words again. That's the truth.Who's truth? How did it come by you? Why is this truth not my truth?
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Post by siftingtothetruth on Mar 29, 2019 9:46:42 GMT -5
Who's truth? How did it come by you? It's no one's truth and it did not come by me.
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Post by tenka on Mar 29, 2019 9:48:08 GMT -5
Who's truth? How did it come by you? It's no one's truth and it did not come by me. But how can it flow through your appearance and not mine? Why does this truth exist when there is nobody here to say it or hear it or know it lol. It's exactly what I referred to earlier the peeps that say no-one is here and they go and write a book so peeps can buy it and read it.
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Post by siftingtothetruth on Mar 29, 2019 9:52:35 GMT -5
It's no one's truth and it did not come by me. But how can it flow through your appearance and not mine? Why does this truth exist when there is nobody here to say it or hear it or know it lol. It's exactly what I referred to early the peeps that say no-one is here and they go and write a book so peeps can by it and read it. Right, you don't understand the logic of it. That's because it goes beyond logic. If you really want to understand rather than just continuously talking about how it doesn’t make sense, look deeply into the "I" who has all these questions.
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Post by tenka on Mar 29, 2019 9:58:49 GMT -5
But how can it flow through your appearance and not mine? Why does this truth exist when there is nobody here to say it or hear it or know it lol. It's exactly what I referred to early the peeps that say no-one is here and they go and write a book so peeps can by it and read it. Right, you don't understand the logic of it. That's because it goes beyond logic. If you really want to understand rather than just continuously talking about how it doesn’t make sense, look deeply into the "I" who has all these questions. Nooooooo Nooooooo Noooooooo .... There is nobody here or there to look deeply into 'I' there is no-one looking, searching finding.. You can't use an illusory 'I' to look anywhere using your own foundation when there is no-one brushing teeth. There is just the appearance of looking, seeking .. This is where you trip up because you relate to an 'I' one minute when it suits you then you dismiss it when it comes to you brushing your teeth lol . The illusory 'I' cannot look deeply into anything .. Butt what happens is I can look deeply into myself and I can realize what I am .. Your premise is built upon an illusion and there can never come anything real from it. It's all illusory even any so called truths that flow from illusory lips. The foundation is illusory to begin with ..
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Post by siftingtothetruth on Mar 29, 2019 10:14:42 GMT -5
Right, you don't understand the logic of it. That's because it goes beyond logic. If you really want to understand rather than just continuously talking about how it doesn’t make sense, look deeply into the "I" who has all these questions. Nooooooo Nooooooo Noooooooo .... There is nobody here or there to look deeply into 'I' there is no-one looking, searching finding.. You can't use an illusory 'I' to look anywhere using your own foundation when there is no-one brushing teeth. No, but if you believe there is an I, which you clearly do, then you should do that. The one who claims this should look into their I. Right, so why don't you do that?
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Post by tenka on Mar 29, 2019 10:20:25 GMT -5
Nooooooo Nooooooo Noooooooo .... There is nobody here or there to look deeply into 'I' there is no-one looking, searching finding.. You can't use an illusory 'I' to look anywhere using your own foundation when there is no-one brushing teeth. No, but if you believe there is an I, which you clearly do, then you should do that. What do you mean 'No'? lol, you have asked me to look deeply into me but there is no me here. Saying that if I believe in an "I" would just be an illusory character looking into an illusory character. It doesn't work. How can an illusory character appearance hold beliefs that there is an 'I'. None of it makes sense mate.The one who claims this should look into their I. There is no one to claim ownership of anything. Your working against your own premise here again .Right, so why don't you do that? Been there done that ..
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Post by tenka on Mar 29, 2019 10:22:04 GMT -5
It's no one's truth and it did not come by me. But how can it flow through your appearance and not mine? Why does this truth exist when there is nobody here to say it or hear it or know it lol.It's exactly what I referred to earlier the peeps that say no-one is here and they go and write a book so peeps can buy it and read it. Can you answer this?
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