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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2019 11:48:34 GMT -5
The play of maya runs deeper than you think. It encompasses all feelings, all senses, all phenomenal arisings.
The breadth and depth of that which is a phenomenal arising within/to that which abides, easily goes unseen, unrealized, even for those who have had a certain degree of spiritual insight....even among those who have 'realized' and seen through to some degree.
If you feel it, sense it, hear it, think it, imagine it, know something about an it, we're talking "The play of maya," and not Truth.
I've come to see, that the distinction between that which abides and the play of maya is a realized, as in, it is a 'seeing of what is not.'
And really, it only happens once abidance in Being happens. It's impossible to see the precise point of phenomenal arising from a position of non-abidance in Being. To see that precise point where mind rises up, requires a vantage point from "beyond mind."
Thus, all experiences where the phenomenal is come to be seen in a new or different way, such as in; 'There are other experiential realms, there is an energy/aliveness to the entire phenomenal world that lies beneath plain sight, there are past, previous life experiences, there is experience that continues on post bodily death', all of those 'pertain' to the experiential, the phenomenal realm, and thus, fall under the umbrella of "The play of maya."
Thus, those seeings/insights/gleanings are not to be relied up as transcendent seeing, Absolute Truth. Despite how compelling they may be....despite how awe-inspiring they may be, they are not actual "Truth realizations".
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Post by krsnaraja on Mar 24, 2019 17:29:44 GMT -5
Brahma said to Narada," Know that the world is a phantasmagoria."
In the dictionary, it means a shifting series of phantasms, illusions, or deceptive appearances, as in a dream or as created by the imagination.
Behind this play of Maya is Krsna, the Truth, the Cause of All causes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2019 18:51:24 GMT -5
Brahma said to Narada," Know that the world is a phantasmagoria." In the dictionary, it means a shifting series of phantasms, illusions, or deceptive appearances, as in a dream or as created by the imagination. Behind this play of Maya is Krsna, the Truth, the Cause of All causes. I was with ya up until the bolded part.  |
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Post by krsnaraja on Mar 24, 2019 19:06:01 GMT -5
Brahma said to Narada," Know that the world is a phantasmagoria." In the dictionary, it means a shifting series of phantasms, illusions, or deceptive appearances, as in a dream or as created by the imagination. Behind this play of Maya is Krsna, the Truth, the Cause of All causes. I was with ya up until the bolded part. About Maya Krishna's illusory energy Maya is Sanskrit for "illusion" as well as "energy." The ultimate source of all energies is the Absolute Truth, God, or Krishna, and maya commonly refers to His external, material energy, under whose illusion we accept the body as the self, and this material world as the all in all. Another definition of maya is "that which is not" (ma = "not," and ya = "there is"). Maya conceals the fact that everything is emanating from the Absolute Truth, and makes the temporary manifestations of material energy look attractive and substantial. Attraction to maya keeps the self in a perpetual cycle of birth and death, in an endless attempt to fulfill desires for temporary things. Becoming free from the negative influence of maya, ironically, involves becoming captivated by another of Krishna's energies, yoga-maya, the spiritual energy which attracts the self again to the natural condition of willful service to the Supreme. From Krishna.Com |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Mar 25, 2019 10:18:20 GMT -5
The play of maya runs deeper than you think. It encompasses all feelings, all senses, all phenomenal arisings.
The breadth and depth of that which is a phenomenal arising within/to that which abides, easily goes unseen, unrealized, even for those who have had a certain degree of spiritual insight....even among those who have 'realized' and seen through to some degree.
If you feel it, sense it, hear it, think it, imagine it, know something about an it, we're talking "The play of maya," and not Truth.
I've come to see, that the distinction between that which abides and the play of maya is a realized, as in, it is a 'seeing of what is not.'
And really, it only happens once abidance in Being happens. It's impossible to see the precise point of phenomenal arising from a position of non-abidance in Being. To see that precise point where mind rises up, requires a vantage point from "beyond mind."
Thus, all experiences where the phenomenal is come to be seen in a new or different way, such as in; 'There are other experiential realms, there is an energy/aliveness to the entire phenomenal world that lies beneath plain sight, there are past, previous life experiences, there is experience that continues on post bodily death', all of those 'pertain' to the experiential, the phenomenal realm, and thus, fall under the umbrella of "The play of maya."
Thus, those seeings/insights/gleanings are not to be relied up as transcendent seeing, Absolute Truth. Despite how compelling they may be....despite how awe-inspiring they may be, they are not actual "Truth realizations".
Very cool, very profound. But then also you have to look at the traditional (Advaita Vedanta) actual meaning of Maya and how it arises. Maya is a (deliberately) formed "link". |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 10:31:43 GMT -5
The play of maya runs deeper than you think. It encompasses all feelings, all senses, all phenomenal arisings.
The breadth and depth of that which is a phenomenal arising within/to that which abides, easily goes unseen, unrealized, even for those who have had a certain degree of spiritual insight....even among those who have 'realized' and seen through to some degree.
If you feel it, sense it, hear it, think it, imagine it, know something about an it, we're talking "The play of maya," and not Truth.
I've come to see, that the distinction between that which abides and the play of maya is a realized, as in, it is a 'seeing of what is not.'
And really, it only happens once abidance in Being happens. It's impossible to see the precise point of phenomenal arising from a position of non-abidance in Being. To see that precise point where mind rises up, requires a vantage point from "beyond mind."
Thus, all experiences where the phenomenal is come to be seen in a new or different way, such as in; 'There are other experiential realms, there is an energy/aliveness to the entire phenomenal world that lies beneath plain sight, there are past, previous life experiences, there is experience that continues on post bodily death', all of those 'pertain' to the experiential, the phenomenal realm, and thus, fall under the umbrella of "The play of maya."
Thus, those seeings/insights/gleanings are not to be relied up as transcendent seeing, Absolute Truth. Despite how compelling they may be....despite how awe-inspiring they may be, they are not actual "Truth realizations".
Very cool, very profound. But then also you have to look at the traditional (Advaita Vedanta) actual meaning of Maya and how it arises. Maya is a (deliberately) formed "link". I simply see it as 'not separate'. What would you say Maya is 'linked' to? That kind of sounds like 'the bridge' between relative truth and absolute Truth I was deliberately trying to create before I clearly saw how uncompromising the distinction actually is between the two. (note; even when we're talking truth (small t) and Truth (big T) they are not separate. But small t never becomes big T.
edit: Oh, and when I use the term "Maya" it references the totality of the phenomenal...all that arises...all that appears. (not sure if that's the same as the texts/teachings you're referencing). Everything I'm saying here is what I can actually see, not what I've read or learned.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Mar 25, 2019 15:48:13 GMT -5
Very cool, very profound. But then also you have to look at the traditional (Advaita Vedanta) actual meaning of Maya and how it arises. Maya is a (deliberately) formed "link". I simply see it as 'not separate'. What would you say Maya is 'linked' to? That kind of sounds like 'the bridge' between relative truth and absolute Truth I was deliberately trying to create before I clearly saw how uncompromising the distinction actually is between the two. (note; even when we're talking truth (small t) and Truth (big T) they are not separate. But small t never becomes big T.
edit: Oh, and when I use the term "Maya" it references the totality of the phenomenal...all that arises...all that appears. (not sure if that's the same as the texts/teachings you're referencing). Everything I'm saying here is what I can actually see, not what I've read or learned.
Hopefully SCA will speak to this. (If not I may have some time later). Essentially, what's pointed to is Krsnaraja's first definition. |
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