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Post by laughter on Mar 5, 2019 20:10:59 GMT -5
I was on the doomed ship. We were sinking. In the midst of the the panic, I was trying to convince everyone that it was an illusion, that we were not these bodies, that everything would be okay. They threw me overboard. Have you ever dove into near freezing water? It's not pleasant. Yet I woke up thankfully and discovered it wasn't real. Somehow I think SR can't be the same. In the dream it seemed I was trying to convince myself as much as others. I was using this knowledge to avoid the impending pain and horror instead of surrendering. It seems in hindsight that the knowledge was a trap, a sophisticated form of denial. Ah, now there's some self-honesty. Fwiw, the way I see it (and I've expressed this to you before), the first noble truth is #1 for good reason. Suffering is undeniable. What makes it undeniable is the humanity, the timeless, eternal, conscious presence, of the one suffering. So in that sense, the suffering of a personal titanic goin' down in the ice water is real, precisely because the sufferer, is real. Self-inquiry is an invitation for the individual to discover what that presence is, and when the diaper guy's point to the unreality of the thoughts underlying the emotions and the role of mind in interpreting the the causal chain of events that led to the emotions, they're pointing toward the absolute existential truth of that eternal presence.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2019 9:09:42 GMT -5
I think zazeniac is saying it's not the same because you still wake up every morning and eat breakfast and go to the bathroom and go to work, or not-work if you are smart or lucky, IOW, you still have to deal with duality. (Same point made on other thread). Nisargadatta calls the body a "meat-suit" I think it was. I don't recall exactly. I myself see the body as a kind of space suit, not unlike perhaps what astronauts wear in space, and who are fully reliant on the suit for the maintenance of consciousness while in space. I don't think any astronaut would, however, mistake the suit for who he really is. But seems that peeps do that with the "meat-suit" all the time. Actually, that's the best analogy for the body I've ever heard. Quite awesome, J.
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Post by krsnaraja on Mar 6, 2019 18:20:50 GMT -5
I was on the doomed ship. We were sinking. In the midst of the the panic, I was trying to convince everyone that it was an illusion, that we were not these bodies, that everything would be okay. They threw me overboard. Have you ever dove into near freezing water? It's not pleasant. Yet I woke up thankfully and discovered it wasn't real. Somehow I think SR can't be the same. You must be a reincarnation of Morgan Robertson, author of the book " The Wreck of the Titan ": Or, Futility (originally called Futility) is an 1898 novella The story features the fictional ocean liner Titan, which sinks in the North Atlantic after striking an iceberg. Titan and its sinking have been noted to be very similar to the real-life passenger ship RMS Titanic, which sank fourteen years later. Following the sinking of the Titanic, the novel was reissued with some changes, particularly in the ship's gross tonnage. ( from Wikipedia)
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Post by desertrat on Mar 7, 2019 15:18:02 GMT -5
Some guesses would be its from a book or movie . It could be from a past life . There is an interesting story from a guy that believes he was Thomas Andrews in a past life . One of the builders of the Titanic and went down with the ship . You could try one of the many methods of past life regressing and see . I did past life regression many years ago. Some interesting lives, especially the one before this one. None on the titanic, but possibly. But if this an illusion, then they, the past lives, certainly are as well. I tend to ignore them. Like I ignore visitors I get from time to time. I tell them they're an illusion. They leave me alone then. I have heard that we live in a v.r. universe and ever thing is just code running on a computer some where . Interesting belief , but mine . I just cant think of my self as just lines of code . One of Tom Campbles ideas .
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Post by krsnaraja on Mar 7, 2019 17:54:44 GMT -5
I did past life regression many years ago. Some interesting lives, especially the one before this one. None on the titanic, but possibly. But if this an illusion, then they, the past lives, certainly are as well. I tend to ignore them. Like I ignore visitors I get from time to time. I tell them they're an illusion. They leave me alone then. I have heard that we live in a v.r. universe and ever thing is just code running on a computer some where . Interesting belief , but mine . I just cant think of my self as just lines of code . One of Tom Campbles ideas . In heaven before birth you were already baby - coded. When your parents chose to have a baby, God shopped at the heaven grocery shelves. There God picked you. With a corresponding price on it. So how much are you worth, desert rat?
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Mar 7, 2019 17:58:27 GMT -5
I did past life regression many years ago. Some interesting lives, especially the one before this one. None on the titanic, but possibly. But if this an illusion, then they, the past lives, certainly are as well. I tend to ignore them. Like I ignore visitors I get from time to time. I tell them they're an illusion. They leave me alone then. I have heard that we live in a v.r. universe and ever thing is just code running on a computer some where . Interesting belief , but mine . I just cant think of my self as just lines of code . One of Tom Campbles ideas . That's how the brain essentially works, a neuron either fires or it doesn't, 1 or 0, a signal (electrical components, ions and chemical components, neurotransmitters) either crosses a synaptic gap or it doesn't. We are born with all the neurons we will ever have, actually pruning takes place to eliminate neurons. What we are not born with are connections between neurons, wherein learning takes place. An average adult brain has more connections between neurons than there are stars in the whole universe, on average, one hundred billion x one hundred billion (100,000,000,000 [galaxies] x 100,000,000,000 [stars in each galaxy]). So if you (we) are in a computer simulation we wouldn't be able to know it. When you look out of your eyes and see the world, you are not seeing the world, you are seeing merely your brains representation of what's out there. We can never perceive the world directly, what we perceive is our own brain's creation (in all actuality, a simulation). So for super intelligent beings, creating programs, like us, is probably merely a 9-5 job. You wouldn't even need to make a world for us to experience, just a complicated series of 1's and 0's. Either way, we are merely a bunch of (trillions) off and on switches.
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Post by krsnaraja on Mar 7, 2019 18:12:05 GMT -5
I have heard that we live in a v.r. universe and ever thing is just code running on a computer some where . Interesting belief , but mine . I just cant think of my self as just lines of code . One of Tom Campbles ideas . That's how the brain essentially works, a neuron either fires or it doesn't, 1 or 0, a signal (electrical components, ions and chemical components, neurotransmitters) either crosses a synaptic gap or it doesn't. We are born with all the neurons we will ever have, actually pruning takes place to eliminate neurons. What we are not born with are connections between neurons, wherein learning takes place. An average adult brain has more connections between neurons than there are stars in the whole universe, on average, one hundred billion x one hundred billion (100,000,000,000 [galaxies] x 100,000,000,000 [stars in each galaxy]). So if you (we) are in a computer simulation we wouldn't be able to know it. When you look out of your eyes and see the world, you are not seeing the world, you are seeing merely your brains representation of what's out there. We can never perceive the world directly, what we perceive is our own brain's creation (in all actuality, a simulation). So for super intelligent beings, creating programs, like us, is probably merely a 9-5 job. You wouldn't even need to make a world for us to experience, just a complicated series of 1's and 0's. Either way, we are merely a bunch of (trillions) off and on switches. True. Yet we are not the brain. We are present in the heart as the atma. Side by side with the Paramatma. They operate the brain, a super computer.
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Post by desertrat on Mar 7, 2019 21:54:12 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 8:57:41 GMT -5
I did past life regression many years ago. Some interesting lives, especially the one before this one. None on the titanic, but possibly. But if this an illusion, then they, the past lives, certainly are as well. I tend to ignore them. Like I ignore visitors I get from time to time. I tell them they're an illusion. They leave me alone then. I have heard that we live in a v.r. universe and ever thing is just code running on a computer some where . Interesting belief , but mine . I just cant think of my self as just lines of code . One of Tom Campbles ideas . Though this mind is quite curious about the mechanics and substance or lack thereof of the universe, ultimately that and my past lives and nightly visitors are distractions. Like one of the Zen priests once told me:"the most important thing is how the tea dishes are stored," in others words, the mundane, the ordinary, what mind finds boring.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 9:01:16 GMT -5
In the dream it seemed I was trying to convince myself as much as others. I was using this knowledge to avoid the impending pain and horror instead of surrendering. It seems in hindsight that the knowledge was a trap, a sophisticated form of denial. Ah, now there's some self-honesty. Fwiw, the way I see it (and I've expressed this to you before), the first noble truth is #1 for good reason. Suffering is undeniable. What makes it undeniable is the humanity, the timeless, eternal, conscious presence, of the one suffering. So in that sense, the suffering of a personal titanic goin' down in the ice water is real, precisely because the sufferer, is real. Self-inquiry is an invitation for the individual to discover what that presence is, and when the diaper guy's point to the unreality of the thoughts underlying the emotions and the role of mind in interpreting the the causal chain of events that led to the emotions, they're pointing toward the absolute existential truth of that eternal presence. Self inquiry is being in a circular room, knowing it's circular and being told to sit in the corner. I'd rather chew leather.
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Post by laughter on Mar 8, 2019 12:14:43 GMT -5
Ah, now there's some self-honesty. Fwiw, the way I see it (and I've expressed this to you before), the first noble truth is #1 for good reason. Suffering is undeniable. What makes it undeniable is the humanity, the timeless, eternal, conscious presence, of the one suffering. So in that sense, the suffering of a personal titanic goin' down in the ice water is real, precisely because the sufferer, is real. Self-inquiry is an invitation for the individual to discover what that presence is, and when the diaper guy's point to the unreality of the thoughts underlying the emotions and the role of mind in interpreting the the causal chain of events that led to the emotions, they're pointing toward the absolute existential truth of that eternal presence. Self inquiry is being in a circular room, knowing it's circular and being told to sit in the corner. I'd rather chew leather. Well, maybe the problem with the term "self-inquiry" is the word "self". It's at once completely impersonal, and yet, at the same time, implicates your deepest inner-center. With the right frame of body/mind, you can sort of directly "perceive yourself" in anything and everything you see, hear, taste and feel, especially as you're out in motion in the world. All it takes is concurrent sustained inner stillness, utter and complete openness, and intense, engaged curiosity. Perhaps, rather than thinking of it as asking "who am I?", a better question would be "what in the blazes is goin' on?? "
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2019 7:50:49 GMT -5
Self inquiry is being in a circular room, knowing it's circular and being told to sit in the corner. I'd rather chew leather. Well, maybe the problem with the term "self-inquiry" is the word "self". It's at once completely impersonal, and yet, at the same time, implicates your deepest inner-center. With the right frame of body/mind, you can sort of directly "perceive yourself" in anything and everything you see, hear, taste and feel, especially as you're out in motion in the world. All it takes is concurrent sustained inner stillness, utter and complete openness, and intense, engaged curiosity. Perhaps, rather than thinking of it as asking "who am I?", a better question would be "what in the blazes is goin' on?? "
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