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Post by enigma on Jan 17, 2019 18:53:35 GMT -5
Maybe Uncle Bruce knew your bale throwing limits were psychological rather than physical, and he knew how to demonstrate that to you. After repeatedly throwing 'one more bale', mind would have to reconsider it's declaration that you can't throw one more bale. You see, for me everything comes back to consciousness, because there is only consciousness. Every day consciousness gets trumped, by sleep. Well, everything doesn't come back to individuated consciousness, rather Consciousness as a Whole. (I should have capitalized it that time) Sleep happens in Consciousness. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2019 18:54:51 GMT -5
Physical energy level varies all the time, sometimes for very specific reasons, and sometimes for no discernible reason at all. The "free-flow of energy" I was referring to has nothing to do with physical energy; it refers to the collapse of the psychological boundary between "inside" and "outside" after the illusion of selfhood has been seen through. It's what allows a human to feel at-one with "what is," and it's what the word "flow" points to. But literally everything we deal with in life requires energy. Reading, what you are doing right now requires energy and expends energy. Go to work, energy required. Drive to work, fuel needed. Get out of the vehicle, energy required to walk. Pouring concrete, fuel needed to get it to the job, muscles need energy to finish the concrete. Even digesting food requires energy. Sensing requires energy. Can you name one thing in life that does not require the expenditure of energy? All movement in the universe involves an exchange of energy. There is nothing in the universe that has nothing to do with energy. Even seeing through the illusion of selfhood, requires energy. Everything in the universe is connected BY energy. Manifestation requires energy. Manifesting consciousness requires energy, no energy, no consciousness manifested. (We call that going to sleep). Much more 'energy' goes into maintaining the illusion of self than is ever needed not to move into it. |
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Post by enigma on Jan 17, 2019 18:59:09 GMT -5
Okay, you mean physical limits. So ZD believes there are or aren't physical limits? I'll get around to a reply to him. Basically, there is some link between everything, we don't live in a Cartesian universe where there is (nonmaterial) mind stuff and material body stuff. So you can't really make the division he makes. Yes, he means the psychological boundary between inside and outside. Do you see such a boundary as ultimately actual? If not, the hunt for the ZD disagreement continues. |
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Post by enigma on Jan 17, 2019 19:08:41 GMT -5
It wasn't that you got sick and tired of thinking about the cube after 10 hours straight? No. I used to be a "mechanical" puzzle person, liked doing I guess you would call them 3-D puzzles. It was not unusual for me to work on a puzzle until I got it done. So no, my mind just refused to focus any longer. I'm sure you've worked before to virtual complete exhaustion...maybe meeting a deadline. ?Yes, I have. It was a psychological effect rather than an energy saving, accumulation, transformation issue with one of the sub accumulators. |
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Post by enigma on Jan 17, 2019 19:15:13 GMT -5
Physical energy level varies all the time, sometimes for very specific reasons, and sometimes for no discernible reason at all. The "free-flow of energy" I was referring to has nothing to do with physical energy; it refers to the collapse of the psychological boundary between "inside" and "outside" after the illusion of selfhood has been seen through. It's what allows a human to feel at-one with "what is," and it's what the word "flow" points to. But literally everything we deal with in life requires energy. Reading, what you are doing right now requires energy and expends energy. Go to work, energy required. Drive to work, fuel needed. Get out of the vehicle, energy required to walk. Pouring concrete, fuel needed to get it to the job, muscles need energy to finish the concrete. Even digesting food requires energy. Sensing requires energy. Can you name one thing in life that does not require the expenditure of energy? All movement in the universe involves an exchange of energy. There is nothing in the universe that has nothing to do with energy. Even seeing through the illusion of selfhood, requires energy. Everything in the universe is connected BY energy. Manifestation requires energy. Manifesting consciousness requires energy, no energy, no consciousness manifested. (We call that going to sleep). He said the psychological boundary that he was talking about has nothing to do with physical energy. Given that, is the apparent disagreement now resolved? |
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Post by enigma on Jan 17, 2019 19:34:03 GMT -5
I will give an example from my life. I earned my first dollar forking cow manure on my uncle Bruce's farm. When I was about 12 I helped him get up baled hay, it was just the two of us. He was a massive man, had huge hands. We were almost through, had the last load on the trailer and needed to put it in the barn loft. My job was to get a bale to him, then he picked it up like a marshmallow and threw it up through the loft door. I got incredibly tired, told him so. But he kept saying, just give me one more. So I kept getting him one more. Every time I knew that was the last bale I could get to him, but he kept saying, just give me one more. Then suddenly I was filled with energy, I wasn't tired at all. I finished easily and continued to be filled with energy. The next day I was back to normal but could never forget what had happened. When I was 24 I read In Search of the Miraculous. In it I read where there are accumulators in the human body, two small accumulators for each center (thinking, feeling, moving and instinctive), and these are connected to a large accumulator. When I read that I knew exactly what had happened working for uncle Bruce, I had exhausted an accumulator and then connected to another accumulator. And within six months of reading that book I experienced accumulating finer energies (not directly related to reading the book). ZD says there is a free flow of energy in the universe, no boundaries. I know from direct experience that this is not precisely correct. One can save energy, transform energy and accumulate energy. For me this is not debatable. I don't care to argue this with ZD, but I'm free to express my opinion. "Energy flows where attention goes". What? You mean convinced that your Uncle Bruce's love for his work wasn't real? No, back to believing psychologically formed limitations are actually physical limitations. Uncle Bruce demonstrated that's not so. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jan 18, 2019 9:14:28 GMT -5
I will give an example from my life. I earned my first dollar forking cow manure on my uncle Bruce's farm. When I was about 12 I helped him get up baled hay, it was just the two of us. He was a massive man, had huge hands. We were almost through, had the last load on the trailer and needed to put it in the barn loft. My job was to get a bale to him, then he picked it up like a marshmallow and threw it up through the loft door. I got incredibly tired, told him so. But he kept saying, just give me one more. So I kept getting him one more. Every time I knew that was the last bale I could get to him, but he kept saying, just give me one more. Then suddenly I was filled with energy, I wasn't tired at all. I finished easily and continued to be filled with energy. The next day I was back to normal but could never forget what had happened. When I was 24 I read In Search of the Miraculous. In it I read where there are accumulators in the human body, two small accumulators for each center (thinking, feeling, moving and instinctive), and these are connected to a large accumulator. When I read that I knew exactly what had happened working for uncle Bruce, I had exhausted an accumulator and then connected to another accumulator. And within six months of reading that book I experienced accumulating finer energies (not directly related to reading the book). ZD says there is a free flow of energy in the universe, no boundaries. I know from direct experience that this is not precisely correct. One can save energy, transform energy and accumulate energy. For me this is not debatable. I don't care to argue this with ZD, but I'm free to express my opinion. "Energy flows where attention goes". What? You mean convinced that your Uncle Bruce's love for his work wasn't real? The bold, I meant my energy level was back to normal. Have you ever experienced "second wind"? This was second wind on steroids. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jan 18, 2019 9:20:35 GMT -5
What? You mean convinced that your Uncle Bruce's love for his work wasn't real? No, back to believing psychologically formed limitations are actually physical limitations. Uncle Bruce demonstrated that's not so. I'll ask you the same question, have you ever experienced "second wind"? If you have, multiply that by at least ten. It wasn't a matter of just getting the job done. I was no longer exhausted. Visualize waking up on your best day, multiply that by ten. It was something I will never forget. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jan 18, 2019 9:32:54 GMT -5
But literally everything we deal with in life requires energy. Reading, what you are doing right now requires energy and expends energy. Go to work, energy required. Drive to work, fuel needed. Get out of the vehicle, energy required to walk. Pouring concrete, fuel needed to get it to the job, muscles need energy to finish the concrete. Even digesting food requires energy. Sensing requires energy. Can you name one thing in life that does not require the expenditure of energy? All movement in the universe involves an exchange of energy. There is nothing in the universe that has nothing to do with energy. Even seeing through the illusion of selfhood, requires energy. Everything in the universe is connected BY energy. Manifestation requires energy. Manifesting consciousness requires energy, no energy, no consciousness manifested. (We call that going to sleep). What exactly is energy? Have you ever tried to read a book when you were very sleepy? Your eyes close, your head drops. You wake up a little, try to read some more. You drop to sleep... Energy is what's missing. It's fuel. Ever run out of gas while driving a car? Energy is missing. I think the physics definition is, the ability to do work. There is kinetic energy and potential energy. A boulder rolling down a hill has kinetic energy. If it hits a tree and stops, no kinetic energy but it still has potential energy. An apple has potential energy. That energy actually came from the sun in the form of photons. dot...dot...dot... |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jan 18, 2019 9:34:20 GMT -5
Every day consciousness gets trumped, by sleep. Well, everything doesn't come back to individuated consciousness, rather Consciousness as a Whole. (I should have capitalized it that time) Sleep happens in Consciousness. No problem with that. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jan 18, 2019 9:41:27 GMT -5
But literally everything we deal with in life requires energy. Reading, what you are doing right now requires energy and expends energy. Go to work, energy required. Drive to work, fuel needed. Get out of the vehicle, energy required to walk. Pouring concrete, fuel needed to get it to the job, muscles need energy to finish the concrete. Even digesting food requires energy. Sensing requires energy. Can you name one thing in life that does not require the expenditure of energy? All movement in the universe involves an exchange of energy. There is nothing in the universe that has nothing to do with energy. Even seeing through the illusion of selfhood, requires energy. Everything in the universe is connected BY energy. Manifestation requires energy. Manifesting consciousness requires energy, no energy, no consciousness manifested. (We call that going to sleep). Much more 'energy' goes into maintaining the illusion of self than is ever needed not to move into it. Agree that most of our energy goes into maintaining self. But I'm not talking about the illusion that there is a self. Sure, we can have an insight into that, but self, the manifestation of self, can just go rolling along. I'm talking about taking the energy out of the manifestation. Escape velosity is a good analogy for that, you have to have enough energy to overcome gravity. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jan 18, 2019 9:52:04 GMT -5
He spoke to that. I'll get around to a reply to him. Basically, there is some link between everything, we don't live in a Cartesian universe where there is (nonmaterial) mind stuff and material body stuff. So you can't really make the division he makes. Yes, he means the psychological boundary between inside and outside. Do you see such a boundary as ultimately actual? If not, the hunt for the ZD disagreement continues. Yes, there is a functional boundary. There is a practical boundary. The boundary isn't just psychological. Yes, I agree, there is oneness, wholeness, but you still have to get up on Monday morning and earn your bread. If you don't eat, you will disappear into the oneness...as basically fertilizer. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jan 18, 2019 9:55:26 GMT -5
No. I used to be a "mechanical" puzzle person, liked doing I guess you would call them 3-D puzzles. It was not unusual for me to work on a puzzle until I got it done. So no, my mind just refused to focus any longer. I'm sure you've worked before to virtual complete exhaustion...maybe meeting a deadline. ?Yes, I have. It was a psychological effect rather than an energy saving, accumulation, transformation issue with one of the sub accumulators. Have you ever actually fallen asleep while working? I have. Have you ever fallen asleep while driving? I have. If you haven't, yes, easy to call it psychological. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jan 18, 2019 10:00:35 GMT -5
But literally everything we deal with in life requires energy. Reading, what you are doing right now requires energy and expends energy. Go to work, energy required. Drive to work, fuel needed. Get out of the vehicle, energy required to walk. Pouring concrete, fuel needed to get it to the job, muscles need energy to finish the concrete. Even digesting food requires energy. Sensing requires energy. Can you name one thing in life that does not require the expenditure of energy? All movement in the universe involves an exchange of energy. There is nothing in the universe that has nothing to do with energy. Even seeing through the illusion of selfhood, requires energy. Everything in the universe is connected BY energy. Manifestation requires energy. Manifesting consciousness requires energy, no energy, no consciousness manifested. (We call that going to sleep). He said the psychological boundary that he was talking about has nothing to do with physical energy. Given that, is the apparent disagreement now resolved? He had to have a functioning consciousness in a functioning body to have that realization, otherwise he would have been unconscious, and you don't have realizations while unconscious. There is nothing in the universe that is not some movement of energy, that does not depend upon energy. (Where is Tenka when I need him? :-) ...) |
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Post by enigma on Jan 18, 2019 12:38:45 GMT -5
No, back to believing psychologically formed limitations are actually physical limitations. Uncle Bruce demonstrated that's not so. I'll ask you the same question, have you ever experienced "second wind"? If you have, multiply that by at least ten. It wasn't a matter of just getting the job done. I was no longer exhausted. Visualize waking up on your best day, multiply that by ten. It was something I will never forget. I wasn't talking about getting the job done, just releasing psychological barriers. That's what a second wind is. Everything comes back to Consciousness, because there is only Consciousness. If we want a contextually limited explanation, I'm sure there's a biochemical one, and I wouldn't have anything to say, but your 'energy accumulators' are in a larger context that means to transcend the physical, so I get chatty. There may be agreement that Consciousness transcends the physical, but it also means there is a path by which the physical can be 'explained' that takes one through mind and progressively more subtle levels of thought and feeling until one arrives in Rome, because there is only Rome. If something happens in the body, look to the mind for your next clue. (They aren't actually separate) If the path leads to energy accumulators, I say the traveller got pulled off the main road into a cul-de-sac. |
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