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Post by etolle on Dec 25, 2018 13:45:44 GMT -5
as time goes on it's plain that I have no beliefs at all and that sure is different..not just religion or politics but good bad right wrong,etc..it's an entirely new way of seeing life. it is also the most natural I've ever felt... said all that to get to this. are all religious folks delusional?..i know some wonderful "Christians" but they think these stories in their head (tolle) are who they are.lol…..wish everyone merry Christmas. i'm here with the little dog (mia) cookin a big ham I like your post, a new diection. But doesn't the post, the question it asks, imply a belief? The belief that having no beliefs is the way. I find myself thinking often that the goal of enlightenment is not unlike the goal of heaven. I feel the hypocrite at times. When I look askance at Chistians, I keep hearing words from the religion of my childhood, "there but for the grace of God go I." I have come to view words, language, as the main obstacle to expressing what I am. They seem to construct barriers and fall short with few exceptions like "love your enemies," "do good to those that harm you," and some others that obliterate separation. I don't "believe" I have no beliefs and I don't have a goal,all of that stuff is in the head,ego...i'm also not talkin about words i'm talkin about experiential knowing....yes I was raised on all that religious separation stuff which from tns pov it seems delusional..i want to connect with these folks on the deeper level but I guess that is not gonna happen......heres my question again..can you be free and have a belief that other people need to change and be like you?..i do not want my Christian friends to change just want to have real connection... |
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Post by etolle on Dec 25, 2018 13:55:48 GMT -5
do people with"beliefs" get the sense of who they are from the thoughts in their head?..the reason I know about this is I lived that way all my life until recently and always felt,knew that somethin was wrongut ddnt know what it was..
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2018 16:13:13 GMT -5
I like your post, a new diection. But doesn't the post, the question it asks, imply a belief? The belief that having no beliefs is the way. I find myself thinking often that the goal of enlightenment is not unlike the goal of heaven. I feel the hypocrite at times. When I look askance at Chistians, I keep hearing words from the religion of my childhood, "there but for the grace of God go I." I have come to view words, language, as the main obstacle to expressing what I am. They seem to construct barriers and fall short with few exceptions like "love your enemies," "do good to those that harm you," and some others that obliterate separation. I don't "believe" I have no beliefs and I don't have a goal,all of that stuff is in the head,ego...i'm also not talkin about words i'm talkin about experiential knowing....yes I was raised on all that religious separation stuff which from tns pov it seems delusional..i want to connect with these folks on the deeper level but I guess that is not gonna happen......heres my question again..can you be free and have a belief that other people need to change and be like you?.. i do not want my Christian friends to change just want to have real connection... Your wanting to have real connection with your friends is best said to them. Understanding what they really mean with their words may shine a light on the reality that they want the same as you. |
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Post by penny on Dec 25, 2018 20:12:57 GMT -5
as time goes on it's plain that I have no beliefs at all and that sure is different..not just religion or politics but good bad right wrong,etc..it's an entirely new way of seeing life. it is also the most natural I've ever felt... said all that to get to this. are all religious folks delusional?..i know some wonderful "Christians" but they think these stories in their head (tolle) are who they are.lol…..wish everyone merry Christmas. i'm here with the little dog (mia) cookin a big ham As far as beliefs go my answer is always neither. I neither do nor do not believe. This is usually in answer to religious queries which is really the only question I get in regards to beliefs. They’re just things to think about and we can’t avoid thinking so.... I used to see religious people as delusional, I no longer do mostly because I no longer care what people believe. It doesn’t matter. |
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Post by etolle on Dec 25, 2018 21:39:38 GMT -5
as time goes on it's plain that I have no beliefs at all and that sure is different..not just religion or politics but good bad right wrong,etc..it's an entirely new way of seeing life. it is also the most natural I've ever felt... said all that to get to this. are all religious folks delusional?..i know some wonderful "Christians" but they think these stories in their head (tolle) are who they are.lol…..wish everyone merry Christmas. i'm here with the little dog (mia) cookin a big ham As far as beliefs go my answer is always neither. I neither do nor do not believe. This is usually in answer to religious queries which is really the only question I get in regards to beliefs. They’re just things to think about and we can’t avoid thinking so.... I used to see religious people as delusional, I no longer do mostly because I no longer care what people believe. It doesn’t matter. penny when functioning from tns (and this is my experience only) there are no beliefs there. all of that superficial head stuff is meaningless from that pov...what I'm getting at is connecting on a deeper level than thought before all the hindu,baptist,catholic,republican,democrat stuff comes into play..today,all of that is nothing more than imagination. |
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Post by penny on Dec 25, 2018 22:08:26 GMT -5
penny when functioning from tns (and this is my experience only) there are no beliefs there. Neither is the absence of both belief and non belief because neither one is. It’s not an absence or a presence of belief. Neither to that as well. Meaning is something we do as well as assigning meaninglessness, it’s a function of the mind/body which can’t help but be what it is and can’t help but do what it does. It’s all perfectly natural. Not trying to be argumentative but it seems as if you have swung from one end of the spectrum to the other and neither is, nor is not as well as everything in between which leaves everything as is. Which means we can do or think what ever in the hell we want.  |
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Post by etolle on Dec 25, 2018 22:44:00 GMT -5
penny when functioning from tns (and this is my experience only) there are no beliefs there. Neither is the absence of both belief and non belief because neither one is. It’s not an absence or a presence of belief. Neither to that as well. Meaning is something we do as well as assigning meaninglessness, it’s a function of the mind/body which can’t help but be what it is and can’t help but do what it does. It’s all perfectly natural. Not trying to be argumentative but it seems as if you have swung from one end of the spectrum to the other and neither is, nor is not as well as everything in between which leaves everything as is. Which means we can do or think what ever in the hell we want. penny I must admit I have no idea what you just said ..lol merry Christmas to you my friend! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2018 3:38:50 GMT -5
As far as beliefs go my answer is always neither. I neither do nor do not believe. This is usually in answer to religious queries which is really the only question I get in regards to beliefs. They’re just things to think about and we can’t avoid thinking so.... I used to see religious people as delusional, I no longer do mostly because I no longer care what people believe. It doesn’t matter. penny when functioning from tns (and this is my experience only) there are no beliefs there. all of that superficial head stuff is meaningless from that pov...what I'm getting at is connecting on a deeper level than thought before all the hindu,baptist,catholic,republican,democrat stuff comes into play..today,all of that is nothing more than imagination. People wear their traditional clothes because that's what they are bred to do, if you want to stay within another's presence then don't jump up every time they put a hat on. Saying that their hats and traditions and lineage are imagination is a little short sighted. As is the idea that you're not already connected on a 'deeper level'. |
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Post by etolle on Dec 26, 2018 11:47:58 GMT -5
penny when functioning from tns (and this is my experience only) there are no beliefs there. all of that superficial head stuff is meaningless from that pov...what I'm getting at is connecting on a deeper level than thought before all the hindu,baptist,catholic,republican,democrat stuff comes into play..today,all of that is nothing more than imagination. People wear their traditional clothes because that's what they are bred to do, if you want to stay within another's presence then don't jump up every time they put a hat on. Saying that their hats and traditions and lineage are imagination is a little short sighted. As is the idea that you're not already connected on a 'deeper level'. jaspa that's an excellent observation of what this thread is about. now here is my question to you. aren't all beliefs imagination?.an image in our mind?.created by our conditioned mind?.aren't "core beliefs" the only thing that separates us?. I know experientially that we are all connected on the reality level and that is my point. ..I WILL BE INTERESTED IN YOUR ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION RIGHT HERE. HOW WOULD YOU RESPOND TO A FRIEND WHO TELLS YOU EVERY DAY THAT YER "JUST NOT THERE YET".....LOL... what is ego and what is real?...I very much enjoy havin all you folks to interact with |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2018 13:16:59 GMT -5
People wear their traditional clothes because that's what they are bred to do, if you want to stay within another's presence then don't jump up every time they put a hat on. Saying that their hats and traditions and lineage are imagination is a little short sighted. As is the idea that you're not already connected on a 'deeper level'. jaspa that's an excellent observation of what this thread is about. now here is my question to you. aren't all beliefs imagination?.an image in our mind?.created by our conditioned mind?.aren't "core beliefs" the only thing that separates us?. I know experientially that we are all connected on the reality level and that is my point. ..I WILL BE INTERESTED IN YOUR ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION RIGHT HERE. HOW WOULD YOU RESPOND TO A FRIEND WHO TELLS YOU EVERY DAY THAT YER "JUST NOT THERE YET".....LOL... what is ego and what is real?...I very much enjoy havin all you folks to interact with What do you believe is the question you want answered, because I can see at least seven questions in your post?  |
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Post by etolle on Dec 26, 2018 14:16:55 GMT -5
what about the 1st one?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2018 14:47:40 GMT -5
Aren't all beliefs imagination? |
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Post by etolle on Dec 26, 2018 15:01:32 GMT -5
I have obviously confused you.lol….
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Post by etolle on Dec 26, 2018 15:05:14 GMT -5
from here on out,whenever you see a question mark  ?? THAT WILL BE A QUESTION.LOL.... |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2018 15:28:21 GMT -5
I have obviously confused you.lol…. If you were to check closely you will find that this is a belief. |
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?? THAT WILL BE A QUESTION.LOL....