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Post by Reefs on Oct 18, 2018 9:18:07 GMT -5
I found this in one of Adyashanti's books. It basically covers everything we are discussing here in just a few paragraphs. It's a good summary of a perspective I share as well:
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Post by siftingtothetruth on Oct 18, 2018 9:54:15 GMT -5
Sorry, but Adya is speaking gibberish. As for so many, he reveals his true colors when it gets down to brass tacks. The true and absolutely radical nature of no-mind is too much to take, so he dilutes it with speak about "living from oneness."
There is no one alive; never has been, never will be.
Awakening is to realize this, to realize one's effortless freedom and perfection, freedom from all ideas of how to live, "with your whole being" or otherwise. The only 'new way of life' is that there appears to be a progressive relaxing of all habits based on the old, wrong beliefs. Even this is only superficial.
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Post by Reefs on Oct 18, 2018 10:19:28 GMT -5
Sorry, but Adya is speaking gibberish. As for so many, he reveals his true colors when it gets down to brass tacks. The true and absolutely radical nature of no-mind is too much to take, so he dilutes it with speak about "living from oneness." There is no one alive; never has been, never will be. Awakening is to realize this, to realize one's effortless freedom and perfection, freedom from all ideas of how to live, "with your whole being" or otherwise. The only 'new way of life' is that there appears to be a progressive relaxing of all habits based on the old, wrong beliefs. Even this is only superficial. Ever heard of the advaita trap?
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Post by siftingtothetruth on Oct 18, 2018 10:21:44 GMT -5
Sorry, but Adya is speaking gibberish. As for so many, he reveals his true colors when it gets down to brass tacks. The true and absolutely radical nature of no-mind is too much to take, so he dilutes it with speak about "living from oneness." There is no one alive; never has been, never will be. Awakening is to realize this, to realize one's effortless freedom and perfection, freedom from all ideas of how to live, "with your whole being" or otherwise. The only 'new way of life' is that there appears to be a progressive relaxing of all habits based on the old, wrong beliefs. Even this is only superficial. Ever heard of the advaita trap? ‘fraid not...
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Post by Reefs on Oct 18, 2018 10:33:32 GMT -5
Jeff Foster once wrote a funny dialog about it. Here it is as a cartoon:
Does this somehow match your perspective?
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Post by siftingtothetruth on Oct 18, 2018 11:47:31 GMT -5
Jeff Foster once wrote a funny dialog about it. Here it is as a cartoon: Does this somehow match your perspective? Ha, well I couldn’t watch more than about 45 seconds of the computer-voiced dialogue, but then I just read it. It doesn’t match my perspective at all. I’m perfectly happy to say that there’s a beautiful tree in ordinary conversation. And I don’t go around trying to convert random people to non-duality. But if we’re talking truth among those interested in it (presumably that’s what this forum is), I’m definitely going to reject the all-too-common dilutions and distortions represented by the Adya quote above.
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Post by zendancer on Oct 18, 2018 11:53:15 GMT -5
I found this in one of Adyashanti's books. It basically covers everything we are discussing here in just a few paragraphs. It's a good summary of a perspective I share as well: Totally agree with this quote.
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Post by Reefs on Oct 18, 2018 12:05:29 GMT -5
Jeff Foster once wrote a funny dialog about it. Here it is as a cartoon: Does this somehow match your perspective? Ha, well I couldn’t watch more than about 45 seconds of the computer-voiced dialogue, but then I just read it. It doesn’t match my perspective at all. I’m perfectly happy to say that there’s a beautiful tree in ordinary conversation. And I don’t go around trying to convert random people to non-duality. But if we’re talking truth among those interested in it (presumably that’s what this forum is), I’m definitely going to reject the all-too-common dilutions and distortions represented by the Adya quote above. Okay, I see. You said something about no one existing and similar things and that seemed familiar. But I don't know you well enough. So that's why I was asking if that matches your perspective or not. Never mind.
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Post by laughter on Oct 18, 2018 23:16:23 GMT -5
I found this in one of Adyashanti's books. It basically covers everything we are discussing here in just a few paragraphs. It's a good summary of a perspective I share as well: It's an impassioned and profound pointing, but he both calls for people to wake up and challenges them to deepen into that awakening after. It works, it's fine, but if someone deepens into a unrealized life thinking that the search is over, they've missed an opportunity.
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Post by tenka on Oct 19, 2018 2:51:12 GMT -5
I found this in one of Adyashanti's books. It basically covers everything we are discussing here in just a few paragraphs. It's a good summary of a perspective I share as well: .. What does this actual reflect though? What is realized? This has been my point made since the invention of the wheel lol .. If a peep supposedly realizes there is no-one here, all is a dream blah blah blah, then to express, act and do what you realize must then reflect this, but as far as I can tell by what I have seen in these instances has been oh, it's not real I might as well enjoy the dream for what it is .. butt I am still not going to walk in front of a bus because I am not drawn to do that This to me is not living what was supposedly realized . I have also said that what is realized is a mental interpretation so one can only really live what one has concluded .
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Post by lolly on Oct 19, 2018 3:13:40 GMT -5
I found this in one of Adyashanti's books. It basically covers everything we are discussing here in just a few paragraphs. It's a good summary of a perspective I share as well: Great introduction, or overview. It will interesting to hear the elaborations.
The first paragraph stresses the age old know thyself, but this could be both knowing the essential self and knowing your own mind. I guess that's the way to Adya's message here - walk the talk.
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Post by Reefs on Oct 19, 2018 5:41:50 GMT -5
I found this in one of Adyashanti's books. It basically covers everything we are discussing here in just a few paragraphs. It's a good summary of a perspective I share as well: .. What does this actual reflect though? What is realized? This has been my point made since the invention of the wheel lol .. If a peep supposedly realizes there is no-one here, all is a dream blah blah blah, then to express, act and do what you realize must then reflect this, but as far as I can tell by what I have seen in these instances has been oh, it's not real I might as well enjoy the dream for what it is .. butt I am still not going to walk in front of a bus because I am not drawn to do that This to me is not living what was supposedly realized . I have also said that what is realized is a mental interpretation so one can only really live what one has concluded . Correct. The realization doesn't actually seem to carry over into 'real' life for those who have 'realized' that everything is just appearances. The everyday pre-SR experience and the everyday post-SR experience seem to be identical. So the realization didn't even make a dent in practical terms. That's why I remain highly doubtful that this should be even called a realization. It's actually more like an insight, which is only memory based. Which means as long as you make an effort to consciously remember it, you'll act accordingly. But as soon as you get distracted and sucked into what's happening, you'll forget what you've 'realized' and act as if nothing ever had actually been realized. A realization, on the other hand, will be realized with your entire being, down to every cell in your body. Realizations have real consequences. This so-called realization obviously doesn't. So from my perspective, it's not worth calling a realization at all. So this will also explain why they obviously are going to disagree with Adya on this point, i.e. that you should be what you have realized.
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Post by Reefs on Oct 19, 2018 5:50:36 GMT -5
I found this in one of Adyashanti's books. It basically covers everything we are discussing here in just a few paragraphs. It's a good summary of a perspective I share as well: Great introduction, or overview. It will interesting to hear the elaborations. The first paragraph stresses the age old know thyself, but this could be both knowing the essential self and knowing your own mind. I guess that's the way to Adya's message here - walk the talk.
I think the first paragraph is what we essentially all agree upon and probably the reason why we are all here. To me, the walk/talk aspect of it is where it's actually at. And I take Adya's position on this as something similar to the alignment stuff I've been talking about or the integration process they talk about in Zen.
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Post by tenka on Oct 19, 2018 7:06:22 GMT -5
.. What does this actual reflect though? What is realized? This has been my point made since the invention of the wheel lol .. If a peep supposedly realizes there is no-one here, all is a dream blah blah blah, then to express, act and do what you realize must then reflect this, but as far as I can tell by what I have seen in these instances has been oh, it's not real I might as well enjoy the dream for what it is .. butt I am still not going to walk in front of a bus because I am not drawn to do that This to me is not living what was supposedly realized . I have also said that what is realized is a mental interpretation so one can only really live what one has concluded . Correct. The realization doesn't actually seem to carry over into 'real' life for those who have 'realized' that everything is just appearances. The everyday pre-SR experience and the everyday post-SR experience seem to be identical. So the realization didn't even make a dent in practical terms. That's why I remain highly doubtful that this should be even called a realization. It's actually more like an insight, which is only memory based. Which means as long as you make an effort to consciously remember it, you'll act accordingly. But as soon as you get distracted and sucked into what's happening, you'll forget what you've 'realized' and act as if nothing ever had actually been realized. A realization, on the other hand, will be realized with your entire being, down to every cell in your body. Realizations have real consequences. This so-called realization obviously doesn't. So from my perspective, it's not worth calling a realization at all. So this will also explain why they obviously are going to disagree with Adya on this point, i.e. that you should be what you have realized. In a way I would say that it quite impossible to not live by what is realized . I would wonder why on earth one would try and pretend and deny what was concluded . I mean your not going to have a Self realized peep become a suicide bomber for example . This is why I have been adamant that it's no good guessing your partner is real, it's no good marrying them if you believe what they are is of no real substance . You just wouldn't do it if this was a Truthy realization . If there is no peep present that is potentially not even perceiving / feeling etc, then there would be no-one there so to speak to have their feelings hurt lol . This is the craziness of it all . These so called realizations as you say are not realizations and I have emphasised this before . It's just armchair philosophy .
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Post by explorer on Oct 19, 2018 7:13:49 GMT -5
Awww....Surely there is a place for kindness........
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