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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jun 29, 2018 12:55:38 GMT -5
The great Joe Montana said that at times while he was playing, time slowed down and it seemed he had all the time in the world to pick out an open receiver (when you usually really have only 3, 4, or sometimes 5, or 6 seconds). The great Johnny Bench said that sometimes when he was hitting, the baseball was as big as a basketball and he couldn't miss (heard him in an interview once, he meant it actually looked that big). I just started a book, Why Time Flies. The author poses all the usual questions about the personal subjective nature of time (Why does time speed up the older we get? , Why does time slow down or speed up depending on our activity, what we are doing?) Physiologically, time is perceived differently by our different centers, whether we are thinking, feeling, sensing or actively moving, or not moving, IOW, the passage of time is different for the different functions of the centers.
Peter Ralston, the first western winner of the World Kung Fu Championship in the '70's, writes about how he learned to practice Judo in his mind, thus doubling his rate of increase of proficiency. This eventually evolved into being able to anticipate the moves of his opponent, so he was always ready for any attack, which he credits for winning the Championship (above).
Anyone wish to share their alternative instances of the perception of time? (Including movement into either the past, or more importantly, the future).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2018 13:19:01 GMT -5
The great Joe Montana said that at times while he was playing, time slowed down and it seemed he had all the time in the world to pick out an open receiver (when you usually really have only 3, 4, or sometimes 5, or 6 seconds). The great Johnny Bench said that sometimes when he was hitting, the baseball was as big as a basketball and he couldn't miss (heard him in an interview once, he meant it actually looked that big). I just started a book, Why Time Flies. The author poses all the usual questions about the personal subjective nature of time (Why does time speed up the older we get? , Why does time slow down or speed up depending on our activity, what we are doing?) Physiologically, time is perceived differently by our different centers, whether we are thinking, feeling, sensing or actively moving, or not moving, IOW, the passage of time is different for the different functions of the centers.
Peter Ralston, the first western winner of the World Kung Fu Championship in the '70's, writes about how he learned to practice Judo in his mind, thus doubling his rate of increase of proficiency. This eventually evolved into being able to anticipate the moves of his opponent, so he was always ready for any attack, which he credits for winning the Championship (above).
Anyone wish to share their alternative instances of the perception of time? (Including movement into either the past, or more importantly, the future). At the speed of light, there is no time. When systems slow down then time becomes relevant. The closer to light speed the slower the time. Maybe mind processing speed influences time.Interesting thing is if you are at light speed, there is no time theoretically, and at stillness, zero Kelvin, there is no matter. |
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Post by laughter on Jun 29, 2018 14:04:36 GMT -5
The great Joe Montana said that at times while he was playing, time slowed down and it seemed he had all the time in the world to pick out an open receiver (when you usually really have only 3, 4, or sometimes 5, or 6 seconds). The great Johnny Bench said that sometimes when he was hitting, the baseball was as big as a basketball and he couldn't miss (heard him in an interview once, he meant it actually looked that big). I just started a book, Why Time Flies. The author poses all the usual questions about the personal subjective nature of time (Why does time speed up the older we get? , Why does time slow down or speed up depending on our activity, what we are doing?) Physiologically, time is perceived differently by our different centers, whether we are thinking, feeling, sensing or actively moving, or not moving, IOW, the passage of time is different for the different functions of the centers.
Peter Ralston, the first western winner of the World Kung Fu Championship in the '70's, writes about how he learned to practice Judo in his mind, thus doubling his rate of increase of proficiency. This eventually evolved into being able to anticipate the moves of his opponent, so he was always ready for any attack, which he credits for winning the Championship (above).
Anyone wish to share their alternative instances of the perception of time? (Including movement into either the past, or more importantly, the future). At the speed of light, there is no time. When systems slow down then time becomes relevant. The closer to light speed the slower the time. Maybe mind processing speed influences time.Interesting thing is if you are at light speed, there is no time theoretically, and at stillness, zero Kelvin, there is no matter. One time years ago an idea occurred to me about light. I'm sure it's flawed somehow, but I've always been too lazy and ashamed to make the effort to go out and get told exactly why by some of the scientists who spend massive amounts of time arguing on forums like this one. Now, the old ether theories supposed that light propagated in a medium that existed everywhere in space, and by my recollection, it was Maxwell's work that put that to rest. But what if it's all like, inside out? What if our 3d space is moving through a 4th spatial dimension at the speed of light, and what we perceive as light is some sort of "fabric" of that 4th spatial dimension, or some other sort of effect based on the movement of our space within and through that space? Also, to your point about the relationship between clock-time and psychological time: since relativity demonstrates that time and space are equivalent, and essentially, what we think of as time is as arbitrary as the points on a compass relative to the 3 spatial basis-vectors, what does that relationship imply about space? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2018 15:51:20 GMT -5
At the speed of light, there is no time. When systems slow down then time becomes relevant. The closer to light speed the slower the time. Maybe mind processing speed influences time.Interesting thing is if you are at light speed, there is no time theoretically, and at stillness, zero Kelvin, there is no matter. One time years ago an idea occurred to me about light. I'm sure it's flawed somehow, but I've always been too lazy and ashamed to make the effort to go out and get told exactly why by some of the scientists who spend massive amounts of time arguing on forums like this one. Now, the old ether theories supposed that light propagated in a medium that existed everywhere in space, and by my recollection, it was Maxwell's work that put that to rest. But what if it's all like, inside out? What if our 3d space is moving through a 4th spatial dimension at the speed of light, and what we perceive as light is some sort of "fabric" of that 4th spatial dimension, or some other sort of effect based on the movement of our space within and through that space? Also, to your point about the relationship between clock-time and psychological time: since relativity demonstrates that time and space are equivalent, and essentially, what we think of as time is as arbitrary as the points on a compass relative to the 3 spatial basis-vectors, what does that relationship imply about space? At absolute zero there is no kinetic energy, but there is still MC squared energy, therefore mass. My mistake. I assumed because there is no energy.There is no mass. Space and time dilate as speed increases. The baseball size increases. Interesting idea about 3d moving through 4th dimension. I need time and shrooms to think about that one. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jun 29, 2018 21:04:12 GMT -5
One time years ago an idea occurred to me about light. I'm sure it's flawed somehow, but I've always been too lazy and ashamed to make the effort to go out and get told exactly why by some of the scientists who spend massive amounts of time arguing on forums like this one. Now, the old ether theories supposed that light propagated in a medium that existed everywhere in space, and by my recollection, it was Maxwell's work that put that to rest. But what if it's all like, inside out? What if our 3d space is moving through a 4th spatial dimension at the speed of light, and what we perceive as light is some sort of "fabric" of that 4th spatial dimension, or some other sort of effect based on the movement of our space within and through that space? Also, to your point about the relationship between clock-time and psychological time: since relativity demonstrates that time and space are equivalent, and essentially, what we think of as time is as arbitrary as the points on a compass relative to the 3 spatial basis-vectors, what does that relationship imply about space? At absolute zero there is no kinetic energy, but there is still MC squared energy, therefore mass. My mistake. I assumed because there is no energy.There is no mass.  Space and time dilate as speed increases. The baseball size increases. Interesting idea about 3d moving through 4th dimension. I need time and shrooms to think about that one. QM tells us nothing can exist at absolute zero, because then you would know the location and momentum, that violates Heisenberg uncertainty. Ditto on l's theory, gotta examine that for a while. About a year ago I realized something new about space. Einstein in GR tells us gravity is curved space. Then take Jupiter, for instance. Space is a something very tough and resilient, because it has to ~hold up~ Jupiter, to give it a something to move on, IOW, space must carry the weight of Jupiter as it circles the Sun. |
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Post by zin on Jun 29, 2018 21:40:42 GMT -5
The great Joe Montana said that at times while he was playing, time slowed down and it seemed he had all the time in the world to pick out an open receiver (when you usually really have only 3, 4, or sometimes 5, or 6 seconds). The great Johnny Bench said that sometimes when he was hitting, the baseball was as big as a basketball and he couldn't miss (heard him in an interview once, he meant it actually looked that big). I just started a book, Why Time Flies. The author poses all the usual questions about the personal subjective nature of time (Why does time speed up the older we get? , Why does time slow down or speed up depending on our activity, what we are doing?) Physiologically, time is perceived differently by our different centers, whether we are thinking, feeling, sensing or actively moving, or not moving, IOW, the passage of time is different for the different functions of the centers.
Peter Ralston, the first western winner of the World Kung Fu Championship in the '70's, writes about how he learned to practice Judo in his mind, thus doubling his rate of increase of proficiency. This eventually evolved into being able to anticipate the moves of his opponent, so he was always ready for any attack, which he credits for winning the Championship (above).
Anyone wish to share their alternative instances of the perception of time? (Including movement into either the past, or more importantly, the future). Can you give a few quotes about the differences between the functions in that regard? |
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Post by laughter on Jun 30, 2018 0:16:54 GMT -5
One time years ago an idea occurred to me about light. I'm sure it's flawed somehow, but I've always been too lazy and ashamed to make the effort to go out and get told exactly why by some of the scientists who spend massive amounts of time arguing on forums like this one. Now, the old ether theories supposed that light propagated in a medium that existed everywhere in space, and by my recollection, it was Maxwell's work that put that to rest. But what if it's all like, inside out? What if our 3d space is moving through a 4th spatial dimension at the speed of light, and what we perceive as light is some sort of "fabric" of that 4th spatial dimension, or some other sort of effect based on the movement of our space within and through that space? Also, to your point about the relationship between clock-time and psychological time: since relativity demonstrates that time and space are equivalent, and essentially, what we think of as time is as arbitrary as the points on a compass relative to the 3 spatial basis-vectors, what does that relationship imply about space? At absolute zero there is no kinetic energy, but there is still MC squared energy, therefore mass. My mistake. I assumed because there is no energy.There is no mass. Space and time dilate as speed increases. The baseball size increases. Interesting idea about 3d moving through 4th dimension. I need time and shrooms to think about that one. Similar to absolute zero, at the speed of light anything other than a photon has infinite mass, so that speed is reserved for photons .. well, pretty much anyway. There's this dealio called a tachyon but I've never looked into it all that deeply. My point about psychological/clock time was subtle, but there are a number of ways we can see how our mind creates clock time. And since time is the same as space, well.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2018 7:40:17 GMT -5
At absolute zero there is no kinetic energy, but there is still MC squared energy, therefore mass. My mistake. I assumed because there is no energy.There is no mass. Space and time dilate as speed increases. The baseball size increases. Interesting idea about 3d moving through 4th dimension. I need time and shrooms to think about that one. Similar to absolute zero, at the speed of light anything other than a photon has infinite mass, so that speed is reserved for photons .. well, pretty much anyway. There's this dealio called a tachyon but I've never looked into it all that deeply. My point about psychological/clock time was subtle, but there are a number of ways we can see how our mind creates clock time. And since time is the same as space, well. Time/space. Yes. Time/space is manufactured to make the seemingly real sequential. That's kind of what happens when you create a story, probably when you dream as well. Only in the dream you're not aware of the creation process. But it's all conjecture Holmes, we need proof. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jun 30, 2018 8:47:24 GMT -5
The great Joe Montana said that at times while he was playing, time slowed down and it seemed he had all the time in the world to pick out an open receiver (when you usually really have only 3, 4, or sometimes 5, or 6 seconds). The great Johnny Bench said that sometimes when he was hitting, the baseball was as big as a basketball and he couldn't miss (heard him in an interview once, he meant it actually looked that big). I just started a book, Why Time Flies. The author poses all the usual questions about the personal subjective nature of time (Why does time speed up the older we get? , Why does time slow down or speed up depending on our activity, what we are doing?) Physiologically, time is perceived differently by our different centers, whether we are thinking, feeling, sensing or actively moving, or not moving, IOW, the passage of time is different for the different functions of the centers.
Peter Ralston, the first western winner of the World Kung Fu Championship in the '70's, writes about how he learned to practice Judo in his mind, thus doubling his rate of increase of proficiency. This eventually evolved into being able to anticipate the moves of his opponent, so he was always ready for any attack, which he credits for winning the Championship (above).
Anyone wish to share their alternative instances of the perception of time? (Including movement into either the past, or more importantly, the future). Can you give a few quotes about the differences between the functions in that regard? I thought about earlier letting people guess, well, not guess, but figure out, which functions are faster. Now, keep in mind, this is an explanation for why we experience, personally, the differences in the flow of time. It is said that each function differs, when their proper energy is used (that's an important qualification), by a significant factor. So, in order, which functions are quickest to slowest? (1) Thinking; (2) moving (learned movements like walking, humans are not born with the ability to walk immediately); (3) feeling, meaning emotional; and (4) instinctive, meaning the five senses and the inner workings of the organism like blood pumping and food digestion, things we are born with and do not have to be learned. Investigate, examine, explore, find examples in your self. Maybe start with quickest, then slowest. Understanding the different speeds of the centers explains many things. (For one thing, it explains what Joe Montana experienced). ....I just thought of an analogy. NFL films early on decided to film with high speed cameras. This allows the wonderful slow motion action of NFL films (with many frames per second the action can be slowed as desired). .... [I'll give some quotes later]. Added note, magicians use this speed difference to fool us, although they probably do not understand it fully. |
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Post by laughter on Jun 30, 2018 11:32:28 GMT -5
Similar to absolute zero, at the speed of light anything other than a photon has infinite mass, so that speed is reserved for photons .. well, pretty much anyway. There's this dealio called a tachyon but I've never looked into it all that deeply. My point about psychological/clock time was subtle, but there are a number of ways we can see how our mind creates clock time. And since time is the same as space, well. Time/space. Yes. Time/space is manufactured to make the seemingly real sequential. That's kind of what happens when you create a story, probably when you dream as well. Only in the dream you're not aware of the creation process. But it's all conjecture Holmes, we need proof. . Most definitely. All of these theories about the physical world are the product of intellect. It's quite ironic that they lead to conclusions about the flaws of objectivity. What is undeniable is that we are experiencing. "What it is that we're experiencing?", is a question the intellect is ultimately powerless to answer definitively. So there are alternative strategies for getting that proof. To stop at a conclusion that the physical world, including time and space, is unreal, is to give up on that process. There's a simple counterpoint to Relativity and QM: that story ZD used to tell sometimes, the old guy with the stick hitting the ground and saying "THIS. Is it!" There's nothing more real than the present, but what is the present? |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jun 30, 2018 15:35:48 GMT -5
I don't really have time for this, but here's my theory of time speeding up as we get older. (And today I see it relating time and space, thanks for that L).
I think it has to do with our capacity to experience as a youth vs our capacity as we get older. Imagine an open cube, this is at birth. You could almost say time is standing still, the baby lives in the present moment, a timeless moment. As a baby experiences, imagine a marble placed in the cube, this represents stored experience. Now, the "space" from experiencing time is diminished because of stored content in the brain. As the baby grows and stores experiences he/she begins to experience time. We all know that time moves more slowly than for adults, (are we there yet?)
The older we get the more "marbles" in the cube, the less our capacity to experience time, time goes by faster. Every year seems to go by faster (wait until you reach 66). All experience seems to have to be filtered through our accumulated stored experiences, my theory is that this is the reason for time seeming to run faster. Older yet, more marbles in the cube, time goes by faster.
So, time is in a way related to space, even psychologically. That's a good start.
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Post by laughter on Jun 30, 2018 16:48:11 GMT -5
I don't really have time for this, but here's my theory of time speeding up as we get older. (And today I see it relating time and space, thanks for that L). I think it has to do with our capacity to experience as a youth vs our capacity as we get older. Imagine an open cube, this is at birth. You could almost say time is standing still, the baby lives in the present moment, a timeless moment. As a baby experiences, imagine a marble placed in the cube, this represents stored experience. Now, the "space" from experiencing time is diminished because of stored content in the brain. As the baby grows and stores experiences he/she begins to experience time. We all know that time moves more slowly than for adults, (are we there yet?) The older we get the more "marbles" in the cube, the less our capacity to experience time, time goes by faster. Every year seems to go by faster (wait until you reach 66). All experience seems to have to be filtered through our accumulated stored experiences, my theory is that this is the reason for time seeming to run faster. Older yet, more marbles in the cube, time goes by faster. So, time is in a way related to space, even psychologically. That's a good start. The way I always thought of this is that for a 1 year old a month is 1/12 of their life, while for a 10 year old it's 1/120th, etc... of course our models lead to very different results in terms of the effect. |
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Post by enigma on Jun 30, 2018 21:14:29 GMT -5
I don't really have time for this, but here's my theory of time speeding up as we get older. (And today I see it relating time and space, thanks for that L). I think it has to do with our capacity to experience as a youth vs our capacity as we get older. Imagine an open cube, this is at birth. You could almost say time is standing still, the baby lives in the present moment, a timeless moment. As a baby experiences, imagine a marble placed in the cube, this represents stored experience. Now, the "space" from experiencing time is diminished because of stored content in the brain. As the baby grows and stores experiences he/she begins to experience time. We all know that time moves more slowly than for adults, (are we there yet?) The older we get the more "marbles" in the cube, the less our capacity to experience time, time goes by faster. Every year seems to go by faster (wait until you reach 66). All experience seems to have to be filtered through our accumulated stored experiences, my theory is that this is the reason for time seeming to run faster. Older yet, more marbles in the cube, time goes by faster. So, time is in a way related to space, even psychologically. That's a good start. The way I always thought of this is that for a 1 year old a month is 1/12 of their life, while for a 10 year old it's 1/120th, etc... of course our models lead to very different results in terms of the effect. The way I see it, subjective time is a function of the quantity of events perceived in a given period of objective time. The more events registered, the faster time seems to go. When we are engaged and interested, events are registered at a much faster rate than when we are bored and uninterested. In the former. 'time flies', in the latter 'time drags'. Time is subjectively measured by events, or we could say created to mark events. This is why space and time are connected as one. Movement must occur through both space and time, and so space and time are created to make events possible. The notion that time is flying when we're having fun and draging when we are bored is an erroneous idea that may prevent making sense of what actually happens. The correct view is that more time is created when we are engaged and less time is created when we are not. There is no other reality to time. Create more time and you will seem to experience more of it (faster sense of time passing). Create less and you seem to experience less of it (slower sense of time passing). |
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Post by laughter on Jul 1, 2018 7:10:32 GMT -5
The way I always thought of this is that for a 1 year old a month is 1/12 of their life, while for a 10 year old it's 1/120th, etc... of course our models lead to very different results in terms of the effect. The way I see it, subjective time is a function of the quantity of events perceived in a given period of objective time. The more events registered, the faster time seems to go. When we are engaged and interested, events are registered at a much faster rate than when we are bored and uninterested. In the former. 'time flies', in the latter 'time drags'. Time is subjectively measured by events, or we could say created to mark events. This is why space and time are connected as one. Movement must occur through both space and time, and so space and time are created to make events possible. The notion that time is flying when we're having fun and draging when we are bored is an erroneous idea that may prevent making sense of what actually happens. The correct view is that more time is created when we are engaged and less time is created when we are not. There is no other reality to time. Create more time and you will seem to experience more of it (faster sense of time passing). Create less and you seem to experience less of it (slower sense of time passing). o.k. But I can hear doooooofus guy already ... "heh heh i'm gonna' create another 100 years for myself so I can do more stuff and get more stuff heh heh".  |
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Post by enigma on Jul 1, 2018 10:03:10 GMT -5
The way I see it, subjective time is a function of the quantity of events perceived in a given period of objective time. The more events registered, the faster time seems to go. When we are engaged and interested, events are registered at a much faster rate than when we are bored and uninterested. In the former. 'time flies', in the latter 'time drags'. Time is subjectively measured by events, or we could say created to mark events. This is why space and time are connected as one. Movement must occur through both space and time, and so space and time are created to make events possible. The notion that time is flying when we're having fun and draging when we are bored is an erroneous idea that may prevent making sense of what actually happens. The correct view is that more time is created when we are engaged and less time is created when we are not. There is no other reality to time. Create more time and you will seem to experience more of it (faster sense of time passing). Create less and you seem to experience less of it (slower sense of time passing). o.k. But I can hear doooooofus guy already ... "heh heh i'm gonna' create another 100 years for myself so I can do more stuff and get more stuff heh heh". Also seems like he should be able to work for us for free since it isn't costing him any extra time.  The proper technique would be to sit alone and motionless in a dark room. 100 years will go by in what seems like only a week to the rest of us. |
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