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Post by Reefs on Jun 14, 2018 9:39:03 GMT -5
The benefit is usually post-SR. I found most benefits prior to SR, but after SR it was much easier to explain to other people what's going on and to appreciate the depth of the primary illusion (that one is separate from "what is"). The path from living in one's head to living in one's body is a path of discovering how thoughts psychologically separate us from the truth of "what is." As one becomes psychologically present, unified, and focused upon whatever is happening in the moment, various thoughts that used to capture one's attention simply don't occur because they've been seen through and left behind. I see understanding how mind works as essential to the alignment issue. In that context, there are huge benefits prior to SR and after SR. In the context of discovering who you really are, I'd say the benefit is rather limited.
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Post by zendancer on Jun 14, 2018 11:44:18 GMT -5
I found most benefits prior to SR, but after SR it was much easier to explain to other people what's going on and to appreciate the depth of the primary illusion (that one is separate from "what is"). The path from living in one's head to living in one's body is a path of discovering how thoughts psychologically separate us from the truth of "what is." As one becomes psychologically present, unified, and focused upon whatever is happening in the moment, various thoughts that used to capture one's attention simply don't occur because they've been seen through and left behind. I see understanding how mind works as essential to the alignment issue. In that context, there are huge benefits prior to SR and after SR. In the context of discovering who you really are, I'd say the benefit is rather limited. I agree. Understanding how mind works, and getting free from previously-unexamined thought patterns, alone, increases the sense of flow, and ends a lot of wasted thought, but seeing through the illusion of "me," and attaining a felt sense of at-oneness with "what is" is rather mysterious. I suspect that living in the present moment, psychologically, and focusing on whatever task is at hand (which results from understanding how the mind functions and changing that function), may re-wire the brain in such a way that SR becomes more likely. In that limited sense, there may be a benefit.
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Post by maxdprophet on Jun 15, 2018 12:41:32 GMT -5
I found most benefits prior to SR, but after SR it was much easier to explain to other people what's going on and to appreciate the depth of the primary illusion (that one is separate from "what is"). The path from living in one's head to living in one's body is a path of discovering how thoughts psychologically separate us from the truth of "what is." As one becomes psychologically present, unified, and focused upon whatever is happening in the moment, various thoughts that used to capture one's attention simply don't occur because they've been seen through and left behind. I see understanding how mind works as essential to the alignment issue. In that context, there are huge benefits prior to SR and after SR. In the context of discovering who you really are, I'd say the benefit is rather limited. Interestingly, after many years of contemplating and discussing these issues directly, I found the greatest insight into the origins of thought to be noticing them disappear because of a change in diet. A couple years ago I decided to change my diet because family members were dying of neurological disorders (Alzheimer's Disease, Parkinsons). Knowing that I had a possibly loaded DNA gun in this regard prompted me to start looking around. I had been diagnosed with epilepsy as a teen (but I never took the medication because I didn't believe the diagnosis -- not one 'episode' since) and so was interested to see what a radical restriction of refined carbohydrates did in preventing seizures. So I embarked on putting myself in nutritional ketosis. This is currently a popular fad among weight loss circles. It works with respect to fat loss because the higher fat and protein and lower insulin levels due to restricted carbs, tweaks appetite/hunger hormones. In essence, hunger is majorly tamped down and so eating a negative caloric/energy balance is easy and natural. Bodyfat becomes a fuel source and ketones are generated as a byproduct of fat metabolism. Turns out that ketones can cross the blood brain barrier and feed neurons struggling with glucose metabolism due to prolonged hyperinsulonemia and insulin resistance (two conditions that increase with age and a diet centered on refined carbs). AD is referred to as Type 3 Diabetes to underscore the link of neural insulin resistance. Anyhoo, the loss of hunger accompanied a profound change in mental environment and type of thoughts. All of a sudden there was a revelation of mental quiet. No longer a backround din of food-related thoughts -- SNICKERS BAR, etc. I hadn't realized how desensitized I had become to that din/noise. When those thoughts stopped being generated the realization that thoughts are not my own and are at least partly generated by the body's needs became extremely apparent. A training in mindfulness, a perspective of witnessing thoughts and thinking rather than being them (credit for this perspective due to many convos here, among other things) both probably helped me observe this change.
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Post by Reefs on Jun 16, 2018 5:53:22 GMT -5
I see understanding how mind works as essential to the alignment issue. In that context, there are huge benefits prior to SR and after SR. In the context of discovering who you really are, I'd say the benefit is rather limited. I agree. Understanding how mind works, and getting free from previously-unexamined thought patterns, alone, increases the sense of flow, and ends a lot of wasted thought, but seeing through the illusion of "me," and attaining a felt sense of at-oneness with "what is" is rather mysterious. I suspect that living in the present moment, psychologically, and focusing on whatever task is at hand (which results from understanding how the mind functions and changing that function), may re-wire the brain in such a way that SR becomes more likely. In that limited sense, there may be a benefit. I think what you call 're-wiring the brain' is a very real thing. In how far that has something to do with SR remains to be seen. But it definitely has something to do with alignment. We've all heard these numbers, John Doe only uses 5% of his brain capacity and 75% of his DNA lays dormant (aka junk)... Would be interesting to see the numbers of the Buddha or Ramana or Niz.
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Post by Reefs on Jun 16, 2018 6:02:50 GMT -5
I see understanding how mind works as essential to the alignment issue. In that context, there are huge benefits prior to SR and after SR. In the context of discovering who you really are, I'd say the benefit is rather limited. Interestingly, after many years of contemplating and discussing these issues directly, I found the greatest insight into the origins of thought to be noticing them disappear because of a change in diet. A couple years ago I decided to change my diet because family members were dying of neurological disorders (Alzheimer's Disease, Parkinsons). Knowing that I had a possibly loaded DNA gun in this regard prompted me to start looking around. I had been diagnosed with epilepsy as a teen (but I never took the medication because I didn't believe the diagnosis -- not one 'episode' since) and so was interested to see what a radical restriction of refined carbohydrates did in preventing seizures. So I embarked on putting myself in nutritional ketosis. This is currently a popular fad among weight loss circles. It works with respect to fat loss because the higher fat and protein and lower insulin levels due to restricted carbs, tweaks appetite/hunger hormones. In essence, hunger is majorly tamped down and so eating a negative caloric/energy balance is easy and natural. Bodyfat becomes a fuel source and ketones are generated as a byproduct of fat metabolism. Turns out that ketones can cross the blood brain barrier and feed neurons struggling with glucose metabolism due to prolonged hyperinsulonemia and insulin resistance (two conditions that increase with age and a diet centered on refined carbs). AD is referred to as Type 3 Diabetes to underscore the link of neural insulin resistance. Anyhoo, the loss of hunger accompanied a profound change in mental environment and type of thoughts. All of a sudden there was a revelation of mental quiet. No longer a backround din of food-related thoughts -- SNICKERS BAR, etc. I hadn't realized how desensitized I had become to that din/noise. When those thoughts stopped being generated the realization that thoughts are not my own and are at least partly generated by the body's needs became extremely apparent. A training in mindfulness, a perspective of witnessing thoughts and thinking rather than being them (credit for this perspective due to many convos here, among other things) both probably helped me observe this change. Diet and state of mind is an interesting topic. I can personally confirm many of your points. I'll reply in more detail later. Something worth to explore further is the difference between "you are what you eat" and "you eat what you are".
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2018 5:44:48 GMT -5
Be careful what you wish for
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