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Post by zendancer on Dec 17, 2018 13:31:51 GMT -5
zen,yer experience as a builder/workin with yer hands kind of guy resonates cause that's what I did..painting contract,drywall,etc ..always enjoyed the work and lookin back it makes sense. that's the only time I could get away from the noise in my head and just do what I did..did you experience that?...most spiritual thing I do today is build a dog house. lol Yes, absolutely, although I didn't initially recognize that. I always loved the physical aspect of construction as much as the design aspect. I can dig a ditch, frame walls, or jackhammer rock for hours because it's so much fun. Most of my contractor friends can't understand it. It's like whatever I get into I'm totally into it! haha. I often tell people that I never work; I only play, because virtually everything I do is so much fun. Here's a funny story about this same issue. Before I joined the Air Force as a young man and went to Lackland AFB for training, I was a morose cynical intellectual consumed with dozens of existential questions. After I arrived at the air base, we never had a second of free time. We were marched around, exercised, taken to classes, and involved in ceaseless activity upon which we had to stay completely focused. After a few days of acclimating to the rigorous schedule, I got very happy, and began to feel great because I didn't have any time at all in which to reflect; I was kept too busy to think about anything other than what had to be done in the present moment. Later, after I had free time to reflect, my existential questions returned, and they would often make me feel depressed. I didn't realize why the absence of reflective thought led to such happiness and contentment until thirty years later! haha
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Post by explorer on Dec 18, 2018 17:14:51 GMT -5
I like what you say about enjoying physical activity. Some spiritual people are wary of engaging with the world, their bodies and being practical and competent. Helping ourselves and helping others to be safe and well in this physical world requires some action and practicality. Those qualities are also needed in activities such as spiritual teaching. Blessings to all, especially at Christmas when so many people feel excluded from the idealised Christmas projected by advertising and the media.
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Post by esponja on Mar 19, 2021 0:54:27 GMT -5
Reefs: I'm curious how far this idea goes. Do A-H people think that someone in alignment could work with ebola patients without protective gear and not contract that disease? Do they think that children who catch a contagious disease do so because of an emotional cause? Yes and yes. The emotional cause of cancer is powerlessness. The basic premise here is that your natural state is one of absolute well-being. You are the creator, or better: the attractor of your own experience. There is no assertion. No one else but you can create in your reality. And so you cannot catch a virus, the virus doesn't assert itself into your experience out of the blue, you attract it by becoming a vibrational match to it. In fact, according to A-H and Seth, you have some of the deadliest viruses in your body all the time. And you are doing just fine. So the virus, as all illnesses, is actually a tool that the body uses in order to get back into balance. There are no contagious diseases, there are only contagious thoughts and beliefs which then make you a match to certain diseases. You can see that clearly when epidemics or pandemics happen, especially in war-torn areas. Your inner state of being is your only true insurance against all possible odds. And the good thing about this is that your own emotions are always telling in real time how you are doing. Just reading old threads. Can you believe you wrote this Reefs about a Pandemic? haha! On this post, I would say alignment is accepting 'what is' - your thoughts included. Not engaging so much with the story.
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Post by inavalan on Mar 19, 2021 11:36:29 GMT -5
Yes and yes. The emotional cause of cancer is powerlessness. The basic premise here is that your natural state is one of absolute well-being. You are the creator, or better: the attractor of your own experience. There is no assertion. No one else but you can create in your reality. And so you cannot catch a virus, the virus doesn't assert itself into your experience out of the blue, you attract it by becoming a vibrational match to it. In fact, according to A-H and Seth, you have some of the deadliest viruses in your body all the time. And you are doing just fine. So the virus, as all illnesses, is actually a tool that the body uses in order to get back into balance. There are no contagious diseases, there are only contagious thoughts and beliefs which then make you a match to certain diseases. You can see that clearly when epidemics or pandemics happen, especially in war-torn areas. Your inner state of being is your only true insurance against all possible odds. And the good thing about this is that your own emotions are always telling in real time how you are doing. Just reading old threads. Can you believe you wrote this Reefs about a Pandemic? haha! On this post, I would say alignment is accepting 'what is' - your thoughts included. Not engaging so much with the story. Which also means you align with what is that you (unconsciously) want.
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Post by zazeniac on Mar 19, 2021 13:59:16 GMT -5
This is what Godman says about the natural state in "Be As You Are" regarding Ramana's teachings.
"Three other terms for the Self are worth noting. Sri Ramana often emphasized that the Self was one’s real and natural state of being, and for this reason, he occasionally employed the terms sahaja sthiti, meaning the natural state, and swarupa, meaning real form or real nature. He also used the word ‘silence’ to indicate that the Self was a silent thought-free state of undisturbed peace and total stillness."
That's my experience. Does that mean I can't think. Of course not. But thoughts don't arise unless they are needed. It's kind of like owning a chainsaw. If you need to trim a tree, you fire it up. But if it fired up on its own, you'd be on edge quite a bit--hardly peaceful.
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Post by zendancer on Mar 19, 2021 14:25:14 GMT -5
This is what Godman says about the natural state in "Be As You Are" regarding Ramana's teachings. "Three other terms for the Self are worth noting. Sri Ramana often emphasized that the Self was one’s real and natural state of being, and for this reason, he occasionally employed the terms sahaja sthiti, meaning the natural state, and swarupa, meaning real form or real nature. He also used the word ‘silence’ to indicate that the Self was a silent thought-free state of undisturbed peace and total stillness." That's my experience. Does that mean I can't think. Of course not. But thoughts don't arise unless they are needed. It's kind of like owning a chainsaw. If you need to trim a tree, you fire it up. But if it fired up on its own, you'd be on edge quite a bit--hardly peaceful. Exactly! I use thoughts for architectural design, making plans, thinking about how best to explain certain non-duality issues, etc, but most of the time the body intelligently functions in silence. Intelligence is definitely prior to thought, and most thoughts are simply an imaginary meta-reality resulting from cultural conditioning and unconscious habit patterns. The world all of us live in and see is non-dual. Duality only arises with thinking. This is why during satsangs I always tell people, "I'm talking to who you are, not who you think you are, because who you think you are is imaginary and can't hear a thing." Most people don't realize how their habits of mind affect their daily life, but by spending most of their time reflecting about the past, fantasizing about the future, comparing themselves with others, judging everything, and ceaselessly thinking, thinking, thinking, they stay psychologically trapped in the consensus paradigm of their dominant social group. Freedom, peace, and understanding are a natural consequence of becoming detached from thoughts.
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Post by esponja on Mar 19, 2021 15:28:37 GMT -5
Just reading old threads. Can you believe you wrote this Reefs about a Pandemic? haha! On this post, I would say alignment is accepting 'what is' - your thoughts included. Not engaging so much with the story. Which also means you align with what is that you (unconsciously) want. So become conscious of the unconscious.
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Post by esponja on Mar 19, 2021 15:30:22 GMT -5
This is what Godman says about the natural state in "Be As You Are" regarding Ramana's teachings. "Three other terms for the Self are worth noting. Sri Ramana often emphasized that the Self was one’s real and natural state of being, and for this reason, he occasionally employed the terms sahaja sthiti, meaning the natural state, and swarupa, meaning real form or real nature. He also used the word ‘silence’ to indicate that the Self was a silent thought-free state of undisturbed peace and total stillness." That's my experience. Does that mean I can't think. Of course not. But thoughts don't arise unless they are needed. It's kind of like owning a chainsaw. If you need to trim a tree, you fire it up. But if it fired up on its own, you'd be on edge quite a bit--hardly peaceful. Cool. My mind is very busy but that’s ok too. Just don’t believe in it all.
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Post by inavalan on Mar 19, 2021 15:53:45 GMT -5
Which also means you align with what is that you (unconsciously) want. So become conscious of the unconscious. Surely. But, what I meant in my reply was that in order to "manifest" it isn't enough to consciously want, but it is needed to make the unconscious (inner-self and subconscious) aware of that wish. In other words ... to become unconscious of your conscious wish!
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Post by laughter on Mar 19, 2021 16:01:34 GMT -5
This is what Godman says about the natural state in "Be As You Are" regarding Ramana's teachings. "Three other terms for the Self are worth noting. Sri Ramana often emphasized that the Self was one’s real and natural state of being, and for this reason, he occasionally employed the terms sahaja sthiti, meaning the natural state, and swarupa, meaning real form or real nature. He also used the word ‘silence’ to indicate that the Self was a silent thought-free state of undisturbed peace and total stillness." That's my experience. Does that mean I can't think. Of course not. But thoughts don't arise unless they are needed. It's kind of like owning a chainsaw. If you need to trim a tree, you fire it up. But if it fired up on its own, you'd be on edge quite a bit--hardly peaceful. heh heh .. excellent analogy. You thought that up all on yer own, did ya'??
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Post by inavalan on Mar 19, 2021 16:07:34 GMT -5
This is what Godman says about the natural state in "Be As You Are" regarding Ramana's teachings. "Three other terms for the Self are worth noting. Sri Ramana often emphasized that the Self was one’s real and natural state of being, and for this reason, he occasionally employed the terms sahaja sthiti, meaning the natural state, and swarupa, meaning real form or real nature. He also used the word ‘silence’ to indicate that the Self was a silent thought-free state of undisturbed peace and total stillness." That's my experience. Does that mean I can't think. Of course not. But thoughts don't arise unless they are needed. It's kind of like owning a chainsaw. If you need to trim a tree, you fire it up. But if it fired up on its own, you'd be on edge quite a bit--hardly peaceful. Cool. My mind is very busy but that’s ok too. Just don’t believe in it all. FYI: "Be As You Are" by Sri Ramana Maharshi, can be previewed here: link . This points to zazeniac 's quote.
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Post by zazeniac on Mar 19, 2021 16:25:02 GMT -5
This is what Godman says about the natural state in "Be As You Are" regarding Ramana's teachings. "Three other terms for the Self are worth noting. Sri Ramana often emphasized that the Self was one’s real and natural state of being, and for this reason, he occasionally employed the terms sahaja sthiti, meaning the natural state, and swarupa, meaning real form or real nature. He also used the word ‘silence’ to indicate that the Self was a silent thought-free state of undisturbed peace and total stillness." That's my experience. Does that mean I can't think. Of course not. But thoughts don't arise unless they are needed. It's kind of like owning a chainsaw. If you need to trim a tree, you fire it up. But if it fired up on its own, you'd be on edge quite a bit--hardly peaceful. Cool. My mind is very busy but that’s ok too. Just don’t believe in it all.
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Post by esponja on Mar 19, 2021 19:40:26 GMT -5
So become conscious of the unconscious. Surely. But, what I meant in my reply was that in order to "manifest" it isn't enough to consciously want, but it is needed to make the unconscious (inner-self and subconscious) aware of that wish. In other words ... to become unconscious of your conscious wish! Unconscious, subconcious.. all happening now. 😉 Don’t worry, I know what you are saying as I work with subconscious belief reprogramming. However, from the impersonal there really isn’t any such thing, mind dividing everything. There can be no actual layers as mind doesn’t exist. Patterns of vibration.
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Post by zazeniac on Mar 20, 2021 8:26:23 GMT -5
Unconscious, subconcious.. all happening now. 😉 Don’t worry, I know what you are saying as I work with subconscious belief reprogramming. However, from the impersonal there really isn’t any such thing, mind dividing everything. There can be no actual layers as mind doesn’t exist. Patterns of vibration. First you said your mind is very busy, now you're saying it doesn't exist. Which is it? I get what esp is saying. That ego, mind, separate "I", is an illusion, but still lots of thoughts are occurring. What I struggle with is how can there be peace then, but lots of folks including esponja, laughy, Satch and a few others maintain that the thought chatter can flow freely and they somehow disregard it, don't engage, ignore it. I believe them. I just can't do it. If the chatter happens then I'm off on a ride. Hedderman has the same experience as esponka et al. He puts it this way. "The train still goes by, but I just don't get on."
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Post by esponja on Mar 20, 2021 11:45:42 GMT -5
Unconscious, subconcious.. all happening now. 😉 Don’t worry, I know what you are saying as I work with subconscious belief reprogramming. However, from the impersonal there really isn’t any such thing, mind dividing everything. There can be no actual layers as mind doesn’t exist. Patterns of vibration. First you said your mind is very busy, now you're saying it doesn't exist. Which is it? Both. Personal there and still doing Esponja. Impersonal. Doesn’t exist. Any more questions?
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