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Post by zendancer on Feb 26, 2019 9:13:08 GMT -5
FWIW, a CC only woke me up to the fact that reality was not what I thought it was. 15 more years went by before the "me" vanished, and I finally understood, non-conceptually, that the "me" had never existed in the way that I had imagined (as a volitional entity inhabiting a body and making things happen). Only then did the search for truth come to an end. During a CC experience dualistic perception ceases, and many things are seen and realized (some of which can't even be described), but the primary realization is that what we call "reality" is an infinite unified field of being, and that awareness and love are foundational to all else. All mystics who have that kind of experience later claim that the world is perfect just as it is and that death is an illusion. From my POV, all physical things are real in the sense that they can be directly experienced through direct sensory perception and unreal in the sense that they are separate from anything else. It's easier to see that what we call a "hand" is one-with a "wrist" than it is to see that a credit card or a rock is one-with the field it appears within. It's the idea of separation that's imaginary. I use the word "THIS" to point to the entire field of reality, and until one can "feel in one's bones" that what one is is an intimate and integral aspect of THIS, it's unlikely that one will fully understand what the word "flow" points to. One of the reasons I often write about samadhi is that it can help people get a general sense of what's being pointed to. Most people have experienced the samadhi of getting involved in some activity so completely that they psychologically lose themselves in it. Afterwards, however, the old sense of selfhood as a separate person usually returns. Ramana, Zen Masters, and other sages point to a way of life that is something like permanent samadhi (in which the old sense of selfhood never returns). Life simply flows like a river, and the body/mind is carried along in the flow. This is why its often said that a sage doesn't do anything, but everything gets done. From a sage's POV there's no entity who feels separate from the totality of the flow. I get it. You and your credit card are One. Yes, and I'll keep the number to myself.
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Post by desertrat on Feb 27, 2019 9:42:26 GMT -5
On Jesus. Lets say your the early church and many people believe in reincarnation, karma , that they are responable for there actions , ect. The people are not coming to church and putting money in to the colection plate . They(early church) invent Jesus , sins , ect. People think to them selvs , yea I can be a real s.o.b. then go to church, pray ,put a bit of money in to the plate, believe in this dude Jesus and be saved , ect.
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Post by psychoslice on Mar 8, 2019 21:14:45 GMT -5
Two words I dislike is god and love, very over used words with no real meaning, I try to avoid both.
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Post by satchitananda on Mar 8, 2019 21:21:09 GMT -5
Two words I dislike is god and love, very over used words with no real meaning, I try to avoid both. On the contrary. They are the only two words that have any real meaning. God in the impersonal sense, describes the unknowable absolute from which all phenomena arises. God is the unchanging reality. Unconditional love is what is experienced in the mind-body as an expression of this absolute value of self awareness. Love/Bliss permeates all experience when one is established as the unlimited, in the natural state.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2019 8:06:54 GMT -5
Two words I dislike is god and love, very over used words with no real meaning, I try to avoid both. On the contrary. They are the only two words that have any real meaning. God in the impersonal sense, describes the unknowable absolute from which all phenomena arises. God is the unchanging reality. Unconditional love is what is experienced in the mind-body as an expression of this absolute value of self awareness. Love/Bliss permeates all experience when one is established as the unlimited, in the natural state. Long time cave dweller's disease. I'm with psycoslice on this one, it's scary not to be. I use God only cause I get tired of "the void", "the absolute", Self", "Brahman", "This", "That", "the peace that surpasses all understanding", "no-thing", "the formless", etc. Having said that, you're right about what you say regarding God and love.
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Post by Reefs on Mar 9, 2019 11:04:06 GMT -5
Two words I dislike is god and love, very over used words with no real meaning, I try to avoid both. That would be my preference as well. Totally agree.
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Post by Reefs on Mar 9, 2019 11:11:04 GMT -5
On the contrary. They are the only two words that have any real meaning. God in the impersonal sense, describes the unknowable absolute from which all phenomena arises. God is the unchanging reality. Unconditional love is what is experienced in the mind-body as an expression of this absolute value of self awareness. Love/Bliss permeates all experience when one is established as the unlimited, in the natural state. Long time cave dweller's disease. I'm with psycoslice on this one, it's scary not to be. I use God only cause I get tired of "the void", "the absolute", Self", "Brahman", "This", "That", "the peace that surpasses all understanding", "no-thing", "the formless", etc. Having said that, you're right about what you say regarding God and love. You forgot 'cabbage'...
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Post by psychoslice on Mar 9, 2019 16:26:17 GMT -5
On the contrary. They are the only two words that have any real meaning. God in the impersonal sense, describes the unknowable absolute from which all phenomena arises. God is the unchanging reality. Unconditional love is what is experienced in the mind-body as an expression of this absolute value of self awareness. Love/Bliss permeates all experience when one is established as the unlimited, in the natural state. Long time cave dweller's disease. I'm with psycoslice on this one, it's scary not to be. I use God only cause I get tired of "the void", "the absolute", Self", "Brahman", "This", "That", "the peace that surpasses all understanding", "no-thing", "the formless", etc. Having said that, you're right about what you say regarding God and love. But then that is your belief of those two words, that is what you are conditioned to believe, in truth they are mere words, that which the words describe are not the words, that is if what you are trying to describe does exist.
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Post by krsnaraja on Mar 9, 2019 16:41:41 GMT -5
Long time cave dweller's disease. I'm with psycoslice on this one, it's scary not to be. I use God only cause I get tired of "the void", "the absolute", Self", "Brahman", "This", "That", "the peace that surpasses all understanding", "no-thing", "the formless", etc. Having said that, you're right about what you say regarding God and love. But then that is your belief of those two words, that is what you are conditioned to believe, in truth they are mere words, that which the words describe are not the words, that is if what you are trying to describe does exist. I believe for every drop of rain that falls A flower grows I believe that somewhere in the darkest night A candle glows I believe for everyone who goes astray, someone will come To show the way I believe, I believe I believe above a storm the smallest prayer Can still be heard I believe that someone in the great somewhere Hears every word Everytime I hear a new born baby cry, Or touch a leaf or see the sky Then I know why, I believe * The lyrics of the song I believe is an expression God's Love.
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Post by enigma on Mar 9, 2019 19:37:40 GMT -5
Two words I dislike is god and love, very over used words with no real meaning, I try to avoid both. Love has a very deep and powerful meaning in a spiritual context that has little to do with how the term is used in a personal context.
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Post by satchitananda on Mar 9, 2019 20:15:18 GMT -5
Two words I dislike is god and love, very over used words with no real meaning, I try to avoid both. Love has a very deep and powerful meaning in a spiritual context that has little to do with how the term is used in a personal context. As for the God word, I think many who have embraced the ideas of nonduality have done so by rejecting the dualism and personal God aspect of a religion like Christianity so they find the word problematic.
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Post by enigma on Mar 9, 2019 20:29:05 GMT -5
Love has a very deep and powerful meaning in a spiritual context that has little to do with how the term is used in a personal context. As for the God word, I think many who have embraced the ideas of nonduality have done so by rejecting the dualism and personal God aspect of a religion like Christianity so they find the word problematic. It is a bit problematic, along with all the synonyms we use to avoid it. I like it because it's only 3 letters.
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Post by laughter on Mar 9, 2019 23:09:32 GMT -5
Long time cave dweller's disease. I'm with psycoslice on this one, it's scary not to be. I use God only cause I get tired of "the void", "the absolute", Self", "Brahman", "This", "That", "the peace that surpasses all understanding", "no-thing", "the formless", etc. Having said that, you're right about what you say regarding God and love. But then that is your belief of those two words, that is what you are conditioned to believe, in truth they are mere words, that which the words describe are not the words, that is if what you are trying to describe does exist. It's possible to directly experience the world as it's happening completely free of conditioned belief. That type of experience puts what some people mean when the they use the words God and love in a light such that it ultimately doesn't matter what they believe. In truth, nothing that the intellect describes actually really exists in it's own, independent right.
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Post by laughter on Mar 9, 2019 23:22:23 GMT -5
Love has a very deep and powerful meaning in a spiritual context that has little to do with how the term is used in a personal context. As for the God word, I think many who have embraced the ideas of nonduality have done so by rejecting the dualism and personal God aspect of a religion like Christianity so they find the word problematic. Not to mention the suppression of learning and knowledge and a history of perpetrating oppressive social atrocities like monarchy and war. It's really quite a puzzling wonder there are any Christian churches left at all. Hmm .. I wonder why that is?
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Post by psychoslice on Mar 10, 2019 1:57:05 GMT -5
Two words I dislike is god and love, very over used words with no real meaning, I try to avoid both. Love has a very deep and powerful meaning in a spiritual context that has little to do with how the term is used in a personal context. And that is what you believe, yes.
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