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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2017 22:31:46 GMT -5
There is something unpalatable, unsavory in picking up very young women the age of your grandaughter for f**cks. They wouldn't have chosen this kind of life, given other options.They do it out of destitute desperation, and here white privilliged dudes come and take full advantage of. Can you not see that this is a covert form of abuse? Hey Tano...nice to see you back. Amen to all of that. Undoubtedly, those who think it's ok to scratch their sexual 'itch,' by taking advantage of the desperation of another human being, are selfish as8holes, to put it mildly. Not sure though, why you assume that Satch thinks anything different than that...? Is it just 'cause he's a man? If so, that's not fair. There are men that find that sort of thing as distasteful as you and I. I would say that Anyone who would argue that fulfilling a bodily urge by using the unfortunate circumstances of another human being, to take advantage of that, is not engaging in 'innocent' fun at all. I recall a girlfriend feeling disgust at finding out her husband had frequented young prostitutes while traveling. He actually had the gall to tell her that those young women were in need of money, and thus, in hiring them to fulfill his sexual needs,he was actually 'helping' them. Her reply of 'if you really wanted to help them, why not simply hand over 100 bucks and send them on their way without f*cking them, left him utterly speechless. That is shocking to hear, if it is so that "Jed McKenna" actually engages in that kind of self serving behavior. Surely being awake means that all becomes illuminated, including bodily urges. While I would not expect for sexual interest per se, to actually fall away, surely a sexual interest that is so pervasive that one is willing to abuse another, is indicative that something is awry. Thank you Your friend's justifications are what men tell themselves. Nothing is 'awry'.. it's what takes place in the world on a daily basis. Jed as doing what has been done since time immemorial. Of course, there is his Forum which acts as a recruitment ground for his private Navs Series. He cherry picks the potentials, although not always gets it right. I opted out from the start. No one ever talks about it, no one has ever come up with any comments. Only one guy told me the cost and some conditions. All is shrouded in secrecy. There are simple human psychology explanations for why the silence.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2017 22:37:33 GMT -5
I've always thought that he came across as quite a jerk. So yea, not hard to believe. I thought he was arrogant and his emphasis/attraction to the darker side of life sort of makes sense in light of what tano is saying. I always suspected he must have much more to say about that darker side, he just barely skimmed it in his books but always returned to it. He did write some stuff that I was attracted to though so his books do still have value in my opinion, for some of us at least. The fidelity of his books is not under scrutiny. There are no fault lines in them. I have questioned the man, not the message. Being a torch bearer does not make one the Light.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2017 22:59:21 GMT -5
For the record I've already reported tano's post for defamation, for insinuating that because I am a man living in Thailand, that I use prostitutes and exploit young girls. She posted photos of men with young girls and associated that with me. That's unacceptable and I'm waiting to hear your response Peter. You haven't answered my question: have you ever paid a bar fine? HAVE YOU? Why not answer if you are squeakyclean? Because you are not. I am not 'insinuating', I am sure. This is why the whole thing attracted your interest, you usually think yourself too enlightened to discuss mundane affairs. Because of people like you things remain as they are. You may not be doing it now, but you have done, and saw nothing wrong with that, you pathetic excuse of a man. And now you talk of defamation? Sue me, 'enlightened' Satchitananda. Your online name means 'Truth, Consciousness, Bliss'... you are none of that, faker. Just to drum the message home.... I will repost it. Faker.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2017 0:34:53 GMT -5
Now that I reread and have the players straight... Jeds personality always irked me, not what he said or wrote about but more in how he would emphasize certain things. Maybe someone else picked up on it too. Or maybe not. I wouldn't be overly shocked if these accusations turned out to be true, I don't believe enlightenment grants one immunity from the human condition. If it's all true and we combine that with the fact that these books came from that particular mind, well that's begs many questions. I've always thought that he came across as quite a jerk. So yea, not hard to believe. As a human being Jed is a taker. He takes everything that would be useful to him personally in some way. His Forum communications serve to: 1. Recruit people into the Navs, for which he charges not such a meagre sum of money. 2. As a material for writing further books. This is why I deleted absolutely everything when I left. 3. As a place for making connections, because people come to him from all walks of life. I know he has some financial interests which sprouted from having made those connections. 4. As a form of entertainment, because he does genuinely enjoy poking others' minds. There are other things to look into, but I cannot talk about it here. It is merely a hunch, but my hunches have been pretty accurate so far. Jed is live wire in his physical form, but what was crushing is that he has the most knowing, alert clever eyes I have ever seen in a man, contradicted by what? His true nature? Life really is incomprehensible huh... In case I get banned, and this tread gets deleted... and it is possible, because any online activity which was promissing and could take to some serious info - turned out to be a dead end. Deleted, inaccessible etc... here is my email: tanotakashi@mail.com
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2017 3:51:25 GMT -5
This little passage came to me after I saw the reality of it all. You see.... if a human has a certain backbone and is known to be as such... no one, leave alone his sister, would entertain this thought below. And I remembered that, because even as I read it for the first time... it occurred to me as odd.
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"So, you obviously have a great deal of influence over your students," she says as she sips her iced tea. I mull her statement over and decide that I don't have a response. I take another bite of pasta, wishing I'd ordered something with meat.
"I mean," she says, "they obviously hold you in very high regard. That's quite a responsibility."
She thinks, quite understandably, that she's my big sister and we're having a reunion; a nice little catch-up lunch. She's been thrown a curve with this little-brother/spiritual-master thing and she's trying to handle it. Does she think I'm a fraud? Does she think I'm running a game? Does she think that underneath it all I'm still really her little brother? I don't know and I don't much care. The fact that she's read Damnedest doesn't mean that she and I can speak; it means she should know we can't. She doesn't seem to be clear on that. Maybe she thinks the enlightenment thing is just my day job and that I can step out of that role to be with someone who knows the real me.
"I don't know. I suppose it's a responsibility."
"You don't know? Obviously these people are strongly influenced by you. You don't think that's a big responsibility?"
I shrug. The first thing she said to me when we got together was that I wasn't dressed well enough for the restaurant. Such a statement is so alien to me that I could only shrug. Now it seems that every statement she makes is so alien to me that I can only shrug.
In accepting this lunch engagement, my hope was that I could slip back into my old persona enough to manage a civil meal. That was too hopeful. I can no longer impersonate myself and I am simply unable to formulate a reply to anything she has to say; I've forgotten my lines. We don't share a common tongue and there's no way I can make her see that. From her point of view she's saying perfectly normal, conversational things.
"Yes, I suppose it's a big responsibility," I say, trying to say something that sounds like I'm saying something.
She lowers her voice. "You hear a lot about people in your position taking advantage of that responsibility for... unsavory purposes. I hope you would never do something like that."
I could simply tell her what the preview copy of the book was meant to tell her, that we are no longer related because what I am now doesn't relate. But why say it? To satisfy myself? It wouldn't. To inform her? It wouldn't.
"You mean sex stuff? That sort of thing?"
"Whatever. Power corrupts. I just hope you'll be careful."
Sweet. Big sister giving little brother some advice on how to shoulder the burden of power. Being in advertising, perhaps she thinks we have something in common; wielding the power to influence people's thoughts. Maybe she thinks we're in the same business, I don't know.
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Post by maxdprophet on Mar 26, 2017 6:48:37 GMT -5
Yes this sister interaction affected my impression of him a lot as well. No connection at all to his sister. Zero.
One thing that I really liked about JM was his attack on stuff like 'compassionatism' or the western spirituality biz in general. But here he is so far away from compassion that it makes one wonder. It's like he's stuck in the 'haunted universe' of norquist fame.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2017 8:34:25 GMT -5
Yes this sister interaction affected my impression of him a lot as well. No connection at all to his sister. Zero. One thing that I really liked about JM was his attack on stuff like 'compassionatism' or the western spirituality biz in general. But here he is so far away from compassion that it makes one wonder. It's like he's stuck in the 'haunted universe' of norquist fame. Lack of connection does not surprise me. I feel no connection (on some level) to family. However, the warning of his sister regarding sex suggests she had her reasons to believe he COULD potentially abuse the power. Which, in turn, suggests a somewhat dark side to the character. I happen to be curious about the dark side of what people carry within. Keeps the Dream more interesting. I once said on the forum there are no 'nice' people, there are people who suppress the nasty.
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Post by maxdprophet on Mar 26, 2017 8:54:00 GMT -5
Yes this sister interaction affected my impression of him a lot as well. No connection at all to his sister. Zero. One thing that I really liked about JM was his attack on stuff like 'compassionatism' or the western spirituality biz in general. But here he is so far away from compassion that it makes one wonder. It's like he's stuck in the 'haunted universe' of norquist fame. Lack of connection does not surprise me. I feel no connection (on some level) to family. However, the warning of his sister regarding sex suggests she had her reasons to believe he COULD potentially abuse the power. Which, in turn, suggests a somewhat dark side to the character. I happen to be curious about the dark side of what people carry within. Keeps the Dream more interesting. I once said on the forum there are no 'nice' people, there are people who suppress the nasty. I didn't go that way with the sex suggestion -- to be a modern Guru invites speculation about exploitation, sex being one of many flavors. In fact I took his mention of sex as representing all flavors; just abuse of power in general.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2017 9:47:28 GMT -5
Whatever the man is. It will take me awhile to reconcile the obvious Knowing he possesses, his vulnerability and a sense of Aloneness, yet imbued with vitality and thirst for life - with the way it expressed itself.
Part of me feels compassion for the fallable nature of a human being, because I infinitely understand the strength and the sheer potency of what runs through men and what they find hard to be open about. And part of me can't accept joy at the expense of another, no matter how 'culturally' cultivated and circumstantially explained. It was a rather sharp fork in the road personally.
Perhaps, I should have taken the high road and kept quiet.
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Post by figgles on Mar 26, 2017 14:04:50 GMT -5
Hey Tano...nice to see you back. Amen to all of that. Undoubtedly, those who think it's ok to scratch their sexual 'itch,' by taking advantage of the desperation of another human being, are selfish as8holes, to put it mildly. Not sure though, why you assume that Satch thinks anything different than that...? Is it just 'cause he's a man? If so, that's not fair. There are men that find that sort of thing as distasteful as you and I. I would say that Anyone who would argue that fulfilling a bodily urge by using the unfortunate circumstances of another human being, to take advantage of that, is not engaging in 'innocent' fun at all. I recall a girlfriend feeling disgust at finding out her husband had frequented young prostitutes while traveling. He actually had the gall to tell her that those young women were in need of money, and thus, in hiring them to fulfill his sexual needs,he was actually 'helping' them. Her reply of 'if you really wanted to help them, why not simply hand over 100 bucks and send them on their way without f*cking them, left him utterly speechless. That is shocking to hear, if it is so that "Jed McKenna" actually engages in that kind of self serving behavior. Surely being awake means that all becomes illuminated, including bodily urges. While I would not expect for sexual interest per se, to actually fall away, surely a sexual interest that is so pervasive that one is willing to abuse another, is indicative that something is awry. Thank you Your friend's justifications are what men tell themselves. Nothing is 'awry'.. it's what takes place in the world on a daily basis. Jed as doing what has been done since time immemorial.Of course, there is his Forum which acts as a recruitment ground for his private Navs Series. He cherry picks the potentials, although not always gets it right. I opted out from the start. No one ever talks about it, no one has ever come up with any comments. Only one guy told me the cost and some conditions. All is shrouded in secrecy. There are simple human psychology explanations for why the silence. Yup. If that is truly what's going on, it's just another classic case of the corruption of power, in action. No doubt, Sexual gratification is a highly sought commodity and positions of power are often abused, in order to seek that. Fwiw though, women are not immune to that corruption. And it's arguable whether there really is such a vast different between the male vs. female sex drive itself. I think at this juncture in time, it could be argued that in general, men have felt more 'entitled' to satisfy that drive...have gone to greater lengths to ensure that that drive is gratified...? That said, I've noticed more stories cropping up of female school teachers and such, having sexual relationships with their underage male students. It's funny though, that the same connotations are not necessarily attached to the 'abuse' of the young male, as in the case of a male teacher, seducing his underage, female student. Anyway, I hear you loud and clear in terms of your sense of disillusionment re: Jed, if this is in fact what's going on......but your lashing out at Satch, making generalizations about him based upon his age, gender and location are in & of themselves, abusive, imo. You simply cannot paint an entire group of people with the same brush like that, based upon generalizations. What you're accusing Satch of is the worst of the worst. I can't think of anything more offensive I could be accused of, than that. I'm quite sure, The majority of men in my life would never abuse another less fortunate, in such a way, and I don't think of them as anomalies.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 11:10:12 GMT -5
Anyway, I hear you loud and clear in terms of your sense of disillusionment re: Jed, if this is in fact what's going on......but your lashing out at Satch, making generalizations about him based upon his age, gender and location are in & of themselves, abusive, imo. You simply cannot paint an entire group of people with the same brush like that, based upon generalizations. What you're accusing Satch of is the worst of the worst. I can't think of anything more offensive I could be accused of, than that. I'm quite sure, The majority of men in my life would never abuse another less fortunate, in such a way, and I don't think of them as anomalies. I don't think you fully understand what true abuse is. Regarding the majority of men in your life... I wouldn't be so sure. You may have lead a sheltered life. I don't know.
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Post by figgles on Mar 27, 2017 11:33:12 GMT -5
I don't think you fully understand what true abuse is. Why do you say that? Oh no, we're not gonna play the "I've had a more rugged life and seen & experienced way more sh*tty stuff than you have," game now, are we?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 12:01:47 GMT -5
I don't think you fully understand what true abuse is. Why do you say that? You may have lead a sheltered life. I don't know. Oh no, we're not gonna play the "I've had a more rugged life and seen & experienced way more sh*tty stuff than you have," game now, are we? Your internal schematic of what constitutes abuse is superficial and of merely of a symbolic value. I say that because you equate my words to Satch with abuse. Satch hasn't answered my question in honesty, while being fully aware of what the question means. Therefore he is not entitled to feel slighted. A lie by omission is still a lie.
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Post by figgles on Mar 27, 2017 18:43:03 GMT -5
Why do you say that? You may have lead a sheltered life. I don't know. Oh no, we're not gonna play the "I've had a more rugged life and seen & experienced way more sh*tty stuff than you have," game now, are we? Your internal schematic of what constitutes abuse is superficial and of merely of a symbolic value. I say that because you equate my words to Satch with abuse. Satch hasn't answered my question in honesty, while being fully aware of what the question means. Therefore he is not entitled to feel slighted. A lie by omission is still a lie. Any questions you asked were already couched in your premature condemnation of him. You've already made up your mind based upon nothing more than a stereotype. I get it that you're disappointed in this "Jed" person's behavior, but you really should think twice before you lash out in anger to whitewash every male of a certain age and ethnicity, with that same dirty brush.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 23:03:01 GMT -5
Any questions you asked were already couched in your premature condemnation of him. You've already made up your mind based upon nothing more than a stereotype. I get it that you're disappointed in this "Jed" person's behavior, but you really should think twice before you lash out in anger to whitewash every male of a certain age and ethnicity, with that same dirty brush. Your language is inaccurate. 'Premature' does not go with 'condemnation'. It goes with 'ejaculation'. I would use the expression 'prior condemnation' instead. Interesting, isn't it? The language is always used to corrupt the meaning or to suggest the meaning, which was not otherwise initially expressed. There is no anger if you talk about emotion of anger. It's just that exchanges based on Reality, rather than mental projections of Reality - are always abrasive to humans. I have no interest in continuing this exchange with you. I wish you well.
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