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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2016 23:47:53 GMT -5
Good stuff
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Post by tenka on Nov 23, 2016 2:52:57 GMT -5
Here's the thing .. I am not the person CAN be seen in two ways . One can realize that what they are is still present when everything else falls away and declare OMG!! I am not the person or one can declare I am the person and I am also not . When a peep rejects everything of the mind-body world as not being what One Is it negates the realization that there is only what you are .. The realization of what you are is not a pass for intellectualising everything you are not .. It's quite the opposite actually, it just takes a while for the integration to take effect . Andy on the forums I think posted a video about 4 months ago (I think) or maybe someone else remembers who posted it about a dude that spoke hard core non duality stuff and went over the top regarding he was not the person blah blah blah to end up taking it all back ... He went on to say (I think) that his experience of the extreme non duality phase was in order to embrace the balance between the two (dual and non dual) pertaining to what he is . That's how it was for me . |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 3:04:07 GMT -5
Here's the thing .. I am not the person CAN be seen in two ways . One can realize that what they are is still present when everything else falls away and declare OMG!! I am not the person or one can declare I am the person and I am also not . When a peep rejects everything of the mind-body world as not being what One Is it negates the realization that there is only what you are .. The realization of what you are is not a pass for intellectualising everything you are not .. It's quite the opposite actually, it just takes a while for the integration to take effect . Andy on the forums I think posted a video about 4 months ago (I think) or maybe someone else remembers who posted it about a dude that spoke hard core non duality stuff and went over the top regarding he was not the person blah blah blah to end up taking it all back ... He went on to say (I think) that his experience of the extreme non duality phase was in order to embrace the balance between the two (dual and non dual) pertaining to what he is . That's how it was for me . I agree with you but he is not saying this at least I do not take it that way. I agree with you some of the Advaita go too far. He says yes we have apparent person but that person is not something out there. or in another way you were never born and the world was born in you not you born in the world. big difference. There is one guy out there name is Jim Newman who is way over the top about no person |
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Post by tenka on Nov 23, 2016 3:46:18 GMT -5
Here's the thing .. I am not the person CAN be seen in two ways . One can realize that what they are is still present when everything else falls away and declare OMG!! I am not the person or one can declare I am the person and I am also not . When a peep rejects everything of the mind-body world as not being what One Is it negates the realization that there is only what you are .. The realization of what you are is not a pass for intellectualising everything you are not .. It's quite the opposite actually, it just takes a while for the integration to take effect . Andy on the forums I think posted a video about 4 months ago (I think) or maybe someone else remembers who posted it about a dude that spoke hard core non duality stuff and went over the top regarding he was not the person blah blah blah to end up taking it all back ... He went on to say (I think) that his experience of the extreme non duality phase was in order to embrace the balance between the two (dual and non dual) pertaining to what he is . That's how it was for me . I agree with you but he is not saying this at least I do not take it that way. I agree with you some of the Advaita go too far. He says yes we have apparent person but that person is not something out there. or in another way you were never born and the world was born in you not you born in the world. big difference. When a Self realized individual say's that the mind body is illusory it will be in direct comparison to what you are that is beyond the mind body . What is interesting in my eyes is that because of the realization one can go about their business distancing themselves from their immediate experience . One can become angry one can carry on with earthly pleasures and addictions and can express themselves onto others without taking any responsibility for what they do . They can say I don't know anything and say I have no free will . Living life as Self or what you are is not about distancing or renouncing aspects of what you are . Something happens as said about one either renounces or distances themselves from aspects of themselves or they integrate and embrace them all . It's inevitable that one makes the comparison between the experience of the persona of the waking world and beyond all that but I feel that the comparison made can create all sorts of problems if one thereafter distances themselves in someway from the immediate experience they find themselves in . |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 3:51:46 GMT -5
I agree with you but he is not saying this at least I do not take it that way. I agree with you some of the Advaita go too far. He says yes we have apparent person but that person is not something out there. or in another way you were never born and the world was born in you not you born in the world. big difference. When a Self realized individual say's that the mind body is illusory it will be in direct comparison to what you are that is beyond the mind body . What is interesting in my eyes is that because of the realization one can go about their business distancing themselves from their immediate experience . One can become angry one can carry on with earthly pleasures and addictions and can express themselves onto others without taking any responsibility for what they do . They can say I don't know anything and say I have no free will . Living life as Self or what you are is not about distancing or renouncing aspects of what you are . Something happens as said about one either renounces or distances themselves from aspects of themselves or they integrate and embrace them all . It's inevitable that one makes the comparison between the experience of the persona of the waking world and beyond all that but I feel that the comparison made can create all sorts of problems if one thereafter distances themselves in someway from the immediate experience they find themselves in . Absolutely agree..realizing the Self is not a get out of jail card by any means. This is why I like Tim Freke he knows what realization is however he does not ignore the personal self apparent nevertheless |
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Post by tenka on Nov 23, 2016 6:22:49 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 16:34:38 GMT -5
Thanks I like Jeff
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 18:05:49 GMT -5
Here's another strange cat..I felt so sorry for the interviewer.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 20:16:35 GMT -5
This is more my cup of Tea
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