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Post by relinquish on Aug 20, 2016 23:14:24 GMT -5
Just listen.... Can 'hearing' be 'heard'? Surely, 'hearing' always happens silently? Just look.... Can 'seeing' be 'seen'? Surely, 'seeing' always happens formlessly? Now.... Can 'perceiving' be 'perceived'? Surely, 'perceiving' always happens 'changelessly'? What might this indicate about You, the Perceiver?  |
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Aug 21, 2016 19:22:29 GMT -5
Post by jay17 on Aug 21, 2016 19:22:29 GMT -5
Just listen.... Can 'hearing' be 'heard'? Surely, 'hearing' always happens silently? Just look.... Can 'seeing' be 'seen'? Surely, 'seeing' always happens formlessly? Now.... Can 'perceiving' be 'perceived'? Surely, 'perceiving' always happens 'changelessly'? What might this indicate about You, the Perceiver? That i continue to reason that using analogies to reinforce beliefs is quite common, but is not an accurate way to prove them correct. |
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Post by laughter on Aug 21, 2016 21:09:31 GMT -5
Just listen.... Can 'hearing' be 'heard'? Surely, 'hearing' always happens silently? Just look.... Can 'seeing' be 'seen'? Surely, 'seeing' always happens formlessly? Now.... Can 'perceiving' be 'perceived'? Surely, 'perceiving' always happens 'changelessly'? What might this indicate about You, the Perceiver? in the silence catch a glimpse of movement subtle, gentle true with your eyes closed you might hear that overlooked and hidden near which in the stillness drifted by the faintest breeze bourne left to lie without limit without form without home and of no norm in the fading you emerge that unchanging, timeless no thing, unbounded, open, eternal and always free of any name |
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Aug 21, 2016 22:35:26 GMT -5
Post by relinquish on Aug 21, 2016 22:35:26 GMT -5
Just listen.... Can 'hearing' be 'heard'? Surely, 'hearing' always happens silently? Just look.... Can 'seeing' be 'seen'? Surely, 'seeing' always happens formlessly? Now.... Can 'perceiving' be 'perceived'? Surely, 'perceiving' always happens 'changelessly'? What might this indicate about You, the Perceiver? That i continue to reason that using analogies to reinforce beliefs is quite common, but is not an accurate way to prove them correct. I mean, what might this FACT indicate about THE NATURE OF You, the Perceiver? If You ALWAYS hear silently, ALWAYS see formlessly, and ALWAYS perceive changelessly (always in THIS current manner), can You possibly be an ever-changing, noisy form? Can You be located? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2016 22:41:15 GMT -5
Just listen.... Can 'hearing' be 'heard'? Surely, 'hearing' always happens silently? Just look.... Can 'seeing' be 'seen'? Surely, 'seeing' always happens formlessly? Now.... Can 'perceiving' be 'perceived'? Surely, 'perceiving' always happens 'changelessly'? What might this indicate about You, the Perceiver? That i continue to reason that using analogies to reinforce beliefs is quite common, but is not an accurate way to prove them correct. What would be an acceptable form of proof? |
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Aug 22, 2016 2:26:47 GMT -5
Post by jay17 on Aug 22, 2016 2:26:47 GMT -5
That i continue to reason that using analogies to reinforce beliefs is quite common, but is not an accurate way to prove them correct. I mean, what might this FACT indicate about THE NATURE OF You, the Perceiver? I consider the underlined is an expression of my nature. If You ALWAYS hear silently, ALWAYS see formlessly, and ALWAYS perceive changelessly (always in THIS current manner), can You possibly be an ever-changing, noisy form? That's right... if...hence my underlined comment. Yessum |
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Post by relinquish on Aug 22, 2016 2:30:29 GMT -5
One thing that I think gets overlooked all too often is the utterly profound implications of the fact that, in some way or other, 'perceiving' IS ACTUALLY happening....
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Aug 22, 2016 2:32:02 GMT -5
Post by jay17 on Aug 22, 2016 2:32:02 GMT -5
That i continue to reason that using analogies to reinforce beliefs is quite common, but is not an accurate way to prove them correct. What would be an acceptable form of proof? Depends on the nature of the individual and the experience one is attempting to assign subjective truth\fact to it. State a specific incident and i might be able to express more thoughts on the matter. |
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Post by jay17 on Aug 22, 2016 2:38:52 GMT -5
One thing that I think gets overlooked all too often is the utterly profound implications of the fact that, in some way or other, 'perceiving' IS ACTUALLY happening.... I agree, that a lack of self awareness can result in an individual not being aware they are perceiving. However, how can what you conclude are the 'profound implications' be overlooked by another if you do not express what they are? For it's possible what you conclude might be different to what another may conclude...and i theorise that part of the potential differences in conclusions may be subject to the level of self awareness and how a person contemplates. |
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Aug 22, 2016 2:41:55 GMT -5
Post by relinquish on Aug 22, 2016 2:41:55 GMT -5
What would be an acceptable form of proof? Depends on the nature of the individual and the experience one is attempting to assign subjective truth\fact to it. State a specific incident and i might be able to express more thoughts on the matter. In EVERY SINGLE ONE of those 'individuals', 'perceiving' is happening, always in the same basic manner. Isn't that, just in itself, utterly fascinating? What might it imply? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 3:21:48 GMT -5
What would be an acceptable form of proof? Depends on the nature of the individual and the experience one is attempting to assign subjective truth\fact to it. State a specific incident and i might be able to express more thoughts on the matter. Wasn't the specific incident your response to what stillness said? |
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Post by jay17 on Aug 22, 2016 3:26:12 GMT -5
Depends on the nature of the individual and the experience one is attempting to assign subjective truth\fact to it. State a specific incident and i might be able to express more thoughts on the matter. In EVERY SINGLE ONE of those 'individuals', 'perceiving' is happening, always in the same basic manner. Isn't that, just in itself, utterly fascinating? What might it imply? Q1. I don't know as you have not defined anything. You have not shared any precise thoughts for me to contemplate to be able to judge yes or no. Q2. That you think your conclusions are correct expressions of what is occuring in every person. |
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Post by jay17 on Aug 22, 2016 3:33:56 GMT -5
Depends on the nature of the individual and the experience one is attempting to assign subjective truth\fact to it. State a specific incident and i might be able to express more thoughts on the matter. Wasn't the specific incident your response to what stillness said? Out of all the things relinquish said, which one specifically would you like me share what i think would be acceptable proof it's correct? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 3:36:58 GMT -5
In EVERY SINGLE ONE of those 'individuals', 'perceiving' is happening, always in the same basic manner. Isn't that, just in itself, utterly fascinating? What might it imply? Q1. I don't know as you have not defined anything. You have not shared any precise thoughts for me to contemplate to be able to judge yes or no. Q2. That you think your conclusions are correct expressions of what is occuring in every person. Do you accept what is described as a commonly shared experience such as perception as being a self evident truth within yourself, a truth that has no need of proof because it is self evident to you. |
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Aug 22, 2016 5:13:47 GMT -5
Post by anja on Aug 22, 2016 5:13:47 GMT -5
That i continue to reason that using analogies to reinforce beliefs is quite common, but is not an accurate way to prove them correct. What would be an acceptable form of proof? Got me some tiny baguettes in a paper-bag, eat them while walking along the street, seeing a dog doing it's buisness, blowing the paper-bag, then: POOOOF! Dog running with half this sausagge hanging out of his back-hole to his owners feet. LAUGHTER on both ends! |
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