Rob: Is all of this Jane's subconsciousness talking?
Seth: Subconsciousness is a corridor. What difference does it make which door you travel through? Notwithstanding I can speak through her if I so chose. Once she spoke through me. You can't see the joke, of course. Ha.
Rob: What would you prefer to be called?
Seth: To God all names are his name. Rob: But we still need some kind of name or title we can use in talking to you.
Seth: You may call me whatever you choose. I call myself Seth. It fits the me of me, the personality most clearly approximating the whole self I am, or am trying to be. Joseph is your whole self more or less, the image of the sum of your various personalities in the past and in the future. Rob: Can you tell us more about this?
Seth: You are Joseph, the Joseph you see in your mind, the blueprint. Wall or walls are the divisions between your various personalities, and also represent the times of incarnations. Sometimes you can see over the wall, sometimes it is one wall, and sometimes it is many. To the whole Joseph there is no wall, but unity. I will call you Joseph.
Rob: What would you call Jane, as you call me Joseph?
Rob: Can you give us more information on the name Ruburt?
Seth: This was her name once long ago, as yours was Joseph. Both represented high points of your entities, images in the mental genes, blueprints for your spirits to follow. Joseph and Ruburt represent the full scope of your earthly personalities, toward which you must grow. But in another sense you are already Joseph and Ruburt, since the blueprint exists. Now everyone has such a master plan. Through each life the individual tries to follow this. Pattern is not imposed upon him but is the ents own outline.
Jane: Why then do I have to grow toward Ruburt now?
Seth: You existed as j and r spiritually, but you must be fully j and r on earthly plane.
Rob: Does this blueprint business interfere with free will? Seth: How? You made the blueprint yourself, and your various incarnated selves are not consciously aware of the blueprint. They have free will. You gave it to them. That’s the challenge.
Rob: What was the image our friend Bill saw in the rocking chair in his bedroom? An apparition?
Seth: Was fragment of his own entity, a past personality regaining momentary independence on visual plane. Sometimes a lapse occurs of this type.
Rob: Was this image conscious of Bill's presence?
Seth: In some submerged manner all fragments of a personality exist within an entity, with their own individual consciousnesses. They are not aware of the entity itself. When Bill saw the image and recognized its presence, the fragment itself seemed to have a dream. As Bill saw and did not recognize, the fragment saw and did not recognize. The entity operates its fragments in what you would call a subconscious manner, that is, without conscious direction. The entity gives the fragment independent life, then the entity more or less forgets them. When a momentary lapse of control happens they both come face to face. It's as impossible for the entity to control fragment personalities as for the conscious mind to be aware, or control its own heartbeat. In this case the image concerned was a past fragment.
Rob: Then it's possible to walk down the street and meet a fragment of yourself? Seth: Of course. Even thoughts, for instance, are fragments, though on a different plane. They have to be translated into physical reality. Fragments of another sort, called personality fragments, operate independently, though under the auspices of the entity.
Seth: In a sense all things could be called fragments, but there are different kinds. Personality fragments differ from others in that they can cause other fragments to form from themselves. In a way, say, that a tree cannot, personality fragments form other fragments having all the properties of the parent fragment—emotional life and so forth. As for others all fragments are throwoffs or projections. In a physical sense this board (ouija board) is a projection of wood or a tree, but in this case the board has less properties than the parent tree. The tree can grow, the board cannot. A personality fragment on the other hand never has less properties than its parent. This is the difference. A personality fragment has all the properties of its parents inherent, though it may not know how to use them. The board however cannot learn to grow, even though you stick it in the earth. In a sense the present individual in any given life could be called a fragment of his entire entity, having all the properties of the original entity, though they remain latent or unused. The personality fragment in this sense can learn to develop what it has, rather than seek new powers. There are no new powers. The image that your friend saw was, as I said, a personality fragment of his own. It contained all the abilities of your friend, whether latent or not I do not know. This type of personality fragment is of different origin than your friend, who is himself a fragment of his own entity. We call this type a split personality fragment, or a personality image fragment. Usually it cannot operate on all levels of your physical plane.
Rob: Do you have friendships on your plane, as we do here?
Seth: I have friendships where I am, of course. The one thing about your plane that makes it such a tempting field of endeavor for all of us here is of course that we still have ties of an emotional kind, and we attempt, though clumsily, to make contact with friends. As you yourself write letters to friends in strange countries and do not forget them, so we do not forget.
Rob: Do you have a sense of play and relaxation on your plane?
Seth: We have a much stronger sense of play and relaxation than you have, and much more enjoyable. We can play as a child plays, having however full conscious appreciation — the I am principle — which the child lacks in his fanciful games.
Rob: Do you also experience such emotions as anger?
Seth: I have to admit that you’ve lost me completely. Because we experience play why does that mean we experience anger? In your terms we experience emotions and therefore are capable of anger. However we are so disciplined that anger seldom arises.
Rob: Seth, will you tell us something about President Kennedy?
Seth: He was your president, not mine. You know who the assassin was. Of course the senseless slaughter was not foreordained. It was always a realm of the possible world, and the tragic circumstances culminated in much the same manner as Jane related in her Idea Construction. Jack Kennedy himself had a premonition of events and even in the midst of action he was prepared for death. His subconscious mind always knew the true nature of death and flirted with it consciously. The good Jack will be a beggar boy in India, to be born in 3 years. In later life he will attain prominence if he carries through as beautifully as he did in the past. His first name will be Ambum, pronounced Ammum. This time he will attain prominence from poverty, an experience which will greatly reinforce the strength of his entity's purpose.
Seth: Oswald was always a personality fragment, as all psychopaths are. As fragments of a personality break off in the manner that I explained for schizophrenics, so in some cases part of an entity reincarnates before it should, does not carry its full mental gene blueprint, and therefore causes trouble and confusion. It is as though one of the wild images of a nightmare emerged with full physical power into the world of the day. Such people realize their deficiency, yet conversely because they do have a distorted but seemingly dominant 'I' they are only all the more furious and confused. There is no basic unifying factor to give them consistency, and no unifying subconscious memories to give them true inner identity. This is one of the main reasons why they strike out at strongly integrated personalities, and why it is so easy for them to be catapulted by raw emotion into tragedies of this sort.
Seth: If you will remember what you know of the trance state, you are for example in a light trance, able to maintain awareness of yourself, your environment and your place in it. You simply behave somewhat differently, not bestirring yourself in any direction unless the suggestion to do so be given you. The awareness of plant life lies along these lines. In a deep trance there is oblivion afterward, that is the subject though fully aware of what is going on while in deep trance, can remember nothing of it afterward. The awareness of plant life is also like the awareness of a subject in deep trance. Except for the suggestion and stimulus received by regular natural forces on your plane, the plant life does not bestir itself in other directions. But like the subject in trance, our plant is aware. Its other abilities lie unused for the time and latent, but they are present. The awareness is focused along certain lines. The energy is likewise focused. Much of the ability again is suspended as for a subject in a trance, but consciousness is present. Your hybrid plants merely demonstrate this susceptibility to new suggestion which your plant, like your susceptible trance subject, will gladly follow. I will have more to say along this road of thought, but am detoured for just a moment as to which fork to follow.
Seth: There is consciousness in everything. Visible or invisible to you, each fragment of the universe has a consciousness of its own. Pain and pleasure, the strongest aspects of all consciousness, are experienced strongly by every fragment, according to its degree. Differentiation is of course various, and it is in the degree of differentiation that consciousness is different. In some fragments such as much plant life and vegetative life there is strong use of certain inner senses. Your rocks, I will call vegetative. Rocks are far from lifeless. Other types of life, including your own, rely on the recognized outer senses. The ideal of course is a consciousness that is adept at using both the inner and outer senses fully. Your tree lives through its inner senses, experiencing many sensations and reacting to many stimuli of which you are unaware.
Conversation between Dr Eugene Barnard and Seth, through Ruburt.
This session ran fourteen typewritten pages, and is so of one piece that it's difficult to give excerpts, without including a good bit of background information. Here are portions of the last half of the session. Earlier, Seth and Gene had been discussing reality, and Gene had commented that existence was "kind of a lovely colossal joke." Seth answered that "it's no joke. It is a means for the Whole to know Itself."
Now Seth said: "The 'joke' is highly relevant. If you realised thoroughly that your physical world was an illusion, you would not be experiencing sense data."
"Can't I experience an illusion that I create for myself?"
"You can experience the illusion, but when you experience the illusion as an illusion, you no longer experience it. You are running ahead of yourself."
"But there's nowhere to go," Gene said.
"You do not know it. You think it. You will not be where you are."
"Is there anywhere else to be?"
"No and yes," said Seth.
"Is there anywhere else to be that is not illusion?"
"I say this to you: Yes."
"How would I know the difference? Is there any way to distinguish between reality and illusion other than by a creation of my own mind?"
"You do not know it now. When that point is reached, you will be able, if you prefer, to experience any 'reality ... illusion' at your will, but the self who experiences these 'reality ... illusion' will know itself as reality. There is no place for it to go, because it is the only reality, and will create it's own environment."
"But that is a discussion of the me here and now."
"In your terms," Seth said.
"In yours, too."
"In your terms," Seth repeated.
"In yours, too."
"Look at the last statement then, carefully."
"We have come full circle. I am one with what reality I create. There is nowhere to go," Gene said.
"You must still be able to experience any one of these illusions, knowing they are illusory, with full knowledge of their nature, and still know that the basic reality is yourself. There is no place to go because you are the place - and all places - in those terms. But the 'joke' is relevant. The most important thing I have said this evening is that the joke is relevant. You must be free enough to explore the nature and experience of each living thing within your own system, knowing that it is yourself, and then leave your system. These must be direct experiences."
"But I can't leave the system because I am in all systems simultaneously."
"I am speaking in your physical terms ... but even in those terms, you are still dealing with other systems."
"I have no choice."
"I am using terms of continuity now simply for explanation. First there must be a period, and then it has passed, when you are completely immersed in a given system as if no other existed; value fulfillment as a rule being achieved in this manner. This does not mean that you are not dwelling in other systems simultaneously. The illusion must be probed to its depth."
"Of which it has none," Gene put in.
"You create the depth."
"Right, and in so doing the probing has been done. There is nothing to probe."
"The probing is necessary. Some games are necessary and always relevant."
"Isn't the object to play the game ... not to create or probe?"
"You are yourself the game, in those terms."
"In all other terms also."
"You are creating your own limitations," said Seth.
"Is there really more than one viewpoint?"
"Yes. You are not granting the diversity that exists."
"I would be willing to grant a multiplicity of illusory forms of that same thing ... namely, you and I. All one ..."
"There can be no self-betryal," said Seth.
"Right, nor any betrayal of others."
"But the idea of self-betryal can lead to distortions."
"But these distortions are part of the game that Shiva plays."
"I would prefer to call it a loving endeavour."
"Of course, "Gene said. "Think of the classical statue of Shiva standing on the crushed baby---a loving participation in the illusion of tragedy. Even in the illusion of self-delusion."
"You are trying to cut out many steps for yourself."
"But there aren't any steps, are there?"
"For you, now, there are steps."
"Aren't they illusory?"
"They are indeed," said Seth.
If they are artificial barriers which I create in my own path, surely I can remove them."
"Theoretically it is indeed so. Pratically it would behoove you to watch your footing."
"Yes. That was the comment to Siddhartha."
"These are tender children we lay to rest. We must mourn them though they be [words lost].. We must feel them though they be cow dung," Seth replied.
"We must love them for they are ourselves."
"You cannot do less," said Seth. "You can hardly do more."
"To do that is to have opened an eye and to see that there is but one short step to take."
"You are playing a game," Seth admonished.
"Of course. So are you. We say that Shiva is playing a game, and who is Shiva besides yourself?"
"You are indeed playing a game with yourself, but it is not relevant and it may be irrelevant. But you had better play it reverently."
"With reverence for whom?"
"With reverence toward the self."
"Okay. We're not talking at cross purposes."
"There is a holy irreverence and a flighty irreverence. You are playing a game. They are both one. But you had better be certain that you know this thoroughly."
Seth: As your paintings are solidified feeling on board or paper, apparent in the physical universe and therefore vulnerable to the laws of that universe, so is the universe itself on your plane physical materialized feeling, only with more dimension than a drawing or a painting.
Seth: Everything on your plane is a materialization of something that exists independent of your plane. Therefore within your senses there are other senses that perceive inward. Your regular senses perceive, or as Jane would like to say create, an outer world. The senses within them, that is within the recognizable senses, perceive and create an inner world, they perceive part of an inner world. This is difficult for me to explain to you. However as your regular senses are limited according to the plane which you inhabit—in your case dear friends on your plane extremely limited, I’m afraid—so are the corresponding inner senses limited.
It is almost as if you could see, feel, touch and perceive so much outwardly and feel, touch, see and perceive so much inwardly, though much more exists in all directions, of which you are necessarily ignorant. Once you exist on a particular plane you must necessarily be attuned to it while blocking out many other perceptions.
It is a sort of psychic focus, a concentration of awareness along certain lines. As your ability grows in relation with the environment of your plane then you can afford to look around, use the inner senses, and enlarge your scope of activity. This is only natural. Survival on a particular plane depends upon your concentration in that plane. Again, when survival is more or less satisfied by attention then you can avail yourself of the opportunity to turn your attention elsewhere.