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Post by laughter on Oct 3, 2015 12:23:45 GMT -5
Some peeps are naturally more attuned to what's going on around them. This includes how other people feel, but isn't limited to just that. It can also include a propensity to notice subtle sights, sounds, scents and textures in the environment they find themselves in at the time. It's not that their perceptive abilities are naturally heightened: peeps with coke bottle glasses and hearing aides can be this way. It's a matter of the direction of attention.
This isn't a virtue, and it isn't even really necessarily an advantage in the way that a high IQ or manual dexterity or natural athleticism is. It can be advantageous, in certain circumstances, like, say, a negotiating table, and most great artists would likely fall into this group.
But as the majority of people aren't like this, the circumstances demanded of the average person can be, at times particularly taxing for the sensitive ones. The natural response to this challenge is to harden. As at the extremes, the alternative seems to be madness, this response is not only rational and self-justified, but seemingly, well worth the tradeoff.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 13:04:08 GMT -5
perhaps unrelated , but hard water leaves my hair flat and soft water allows it to bounce naturally edited for topicality
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Post by figgles on Oct 3, 2015 13:05:52 GMT -5
Some peeps are naturally more attuned to what's going on around them. This includes how other people feel, but isn't limited to just that. It can also include a propensity to notice subtle sights, sounds, scents and textures in the environment they find themselves in at the time. It's not that their perceptive abilities are naturally heightened: peeps with coke bottle glasses and hearing aides can be this way. It's a matter of the direction of attention. This isn't a virtue, and it isn't even really necessarily an advantage in the way that a high IQ or manual dexterity or natural athleticism is. It can be advantageous, in certain circumstances, like, say, a negotiating table, and most great artists would likely fall into this group. But as the majority of people aren't like this, the circumstances demanded of the average person can be, at times particularly taxing for the sensitive ones. The natural response to this challenge is to harden. As at the extremes, the alternative seems to be madness, this response is not only rational and self-justified, but seemingly, well worth the tradeoff.It would not be the heightened perceptive abilities themselves that would lead to madness, but rather, identification with the thoughts about the resultant perceptions that would. Thus, rather than 'hardening' (which I read as erecting a mental boundary of sorts to try to help buffer those perceptions), why not an inquiry within to decipher the thought processes that give rise to the sense of intolerability and taxing nature of the experience? Hardening is not necessary in the face of acceptance/allowance.
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Post by laughter on Oct 3, 2015 14:50:26 GMT -5
Some peeps are naturally more attuned to what's going on around them. This includes how other people feel, but isn't limited to just that. It can also include a propensity to notice subtle sights, sounds, scents and textures in the environment they find themselves in at the time. It's not that their perceptive abilities are naturally heightened: peeps with coke bottle glasses and hearing aides can be this way. It's a matter of the direction of attention. This isn't a virtue, and it isn't even really necessarily an advantage in the way that a high IQ or manual dexterity or natural athleticism is. It can be advantageous, in certain circumstances, like, say, a negotiating table, and most great artists would likely fall into this group. But as the majority of people aren't like this, the circumstances demanded of the average person can be, at times particularly taxing for the sensitive ones. The natural response to this challenge is to harden. As at the extremes, the alternative seems to be madness, this response is not only rational and self-justified, but seemingly, well worth the tradeoff.It would not be the heightened perceptive abilities themselves that would lead to madness, but rather, identification with the thoughts about the resultant perceptions that would. Thus, rather than 'hardening' (which I read as erecting a mental boundary of sorts to try to help buffer those perceptions), why not an inquiry within to decipher the thought processes that give rise to the sense of intolerability and taxing nature of the experience? Hardening is not necessary in the face of acceptance/allowance. "Why" depends on the nature of the inquiry. Mind inquiring about mind is just another shell. Just an individual detaching from appearances. The sensitivity is the ground, the precondition to the hardening, while this type of identification is universal and not unique to the sensitive. Hardening also isn't necessarily a function of sensitivity. Some insensitive peeps are naturally hard. It's just that the hardening is a natural defense mechanism for the sensitive.
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Post by laughter on Oct 3, 2015 14:57:07 GMT -5
perhaps unrelated , but hard water leaves my hair flat and soft water allows it to bounce naturally edited for topicality It's only by hard light that the unknown becomes the known.
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Post by figgles on Oct 3, 2015 15:29:31 GMT -5
It would not be the heightened perceptive abilities themselves that would lead to madness, but rather, identification with the thoughts about the resultant perceptions that would. Thus, rather than 'hardening' (which I read as erecting a mental boundary of sorts to try to help buffer those perceptions), why not an inquiry within to decipher the thought processes that give rise to the sense of intolerability and taxing nature of the experience? Hardening is not necessary in the face of acceptance/allowance. "Why" depends on the nature of the inquiry. Mind inquiring about mind is just another shell. Just an individual detaching from appearances. The sensitivity is the ground, the precondition to the hardening, while this type of identification is universal and not unique to the sensitive. Hardening also isn't necessarily a function of sensitivity. Some insensitive peeps are naturally hard. It's just that the hardening is a natural defense mechanism for the sensitive. What do you mean exactly by 'hard' and 'hardening'? I define such as a mental overlay of increased resistance to something deemed to be unwanted, thereby creating a buffer of sorts between what is deemed to be 'self' and 'experience.' What's really happening though, is a sort of emotional numbing that's the equivalent of removing attention from the present moment at hand...it's a sort of strategic 'tuning out'. I don't see how that could ever be said to be the natural state of anyone, regardless of degree of sensitivity. Rather, 'hardening' is just a conditioned strategy when overwhelm is experienced.
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Post by laughter on Oct 3, 2015 15:38:21 GMT -5
"Why" depends on the nature of the inquiry. Mind inquiring about mind is just another shell. Just an individual detaching from appearances. The sensitivity is the ground, the precondition to the hardening, while this type of identification is universal and not unique to the sensitive. Hardening also isn't necessarily a function of sensitivity. Some insensitive peeps are naturally hard. It's just that the hardening is a natural defense mechanism for the sensitive. What do you mean exactly by 'hard' and 'hardening'? I define such as a mental overlay of increased resistance to something deemed to be unwanted, thereby creating a buffer of sorts between what is deemed to be 'self' and 'experience.' What's really happening though, is a sort of emotional numbing that's the equivalent of removing attention from the present moment at hand...it's a sort of strategic 'tuning out'. Yes, those are definitely some specific qualities of hardening. I don't see how that could ever be said to be the natural state of anyone, regardless of degree of sensitivity. Rather, 'hardening' is just a conditioned strategy when overwhelm is experienced. By natural, what I mean is that it's a very common choice to resort to the coping strategies that lead to hardening. It's a rational choice to inure oneself to various negative life factors like bad traffic, a boss that is prone to fits of rage, a child that seems to get into one mishap after another, etc. If one takes the time to tune into culture, it's pretty easy to discern that quite alot of it is disconnected, hard and unnatural. Don't mean it ain't perfect though.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 11:05:58 GMT -5
perhaps unrelated , but hard water leaves my hair flat and soft water allows it to bounce naturally edited for topicality It's only by hard light that the unknown becomes the known. I had waffles and sausage for breakfast. Now you know. That wasn't so hard was it?
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Post by zin on Oct 4, 2015 11:10:55 GMT -5
Some peeps are naturally more attuned to what's going on around them. This includes how other people feel, but isn't limited to just that. It can also include a propensity to notice subtle sights, sounds, scents and textures in the environment they find themselves in at the time. It's not that their perceptive abilities are naturally heightened: peeps with coke bottle glasses and hearing aides can be this way. It's a matter of the direction of attention. This isn't a virtue, and it isn't even really necessarily an advantage in the way that a high IQ or manual dexterity or natural athleticism is. It can be advantageous, in certain circumstances, like, say, a negotiating table, and most great artists would likely fall into this group. But as the majority of people aren't like this, the circumstances demanded of the average person can be, at times particularly taxing for the sensitive ones. The natural response to this challenge is to harden. As at the extremes, the alternative seems to be madness, this response is not only rational and self-justified, but seemingly, well worth the tradeoff.I swear I first read it as "The natural response to this challenge is madness,.. .. is not only rational and self-justified, but ..." and said to myself: "Marvellous!!" . That aside, once I had to do a statistical survey-job and it was very difficult for me to go and ask employers some financial questions (they didn't want to answer at all). It began awkwardly and one day I even ran away from a work place almost crying (they said women shouldn't wander around much). But by the two hundreth place or so I wasn't minding anything.. I don't know how it happened, an official personality formed in me. Don't know if it can be counted as hardening? I was the same but now I had some mild "you don't have a reason/excuse to not answer!" air towards the people.
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Post by figgles on Oct 4, 2015 11:13:07 GMT -5
What do you mean exactly by 'hard' and 'hardening'? I define such as a mental overlay of increased resistance to something deemed to be unwanted, thereby creating a buffer of sorts between what is deemed to be 'self' and 'experience.' What's really happening though, is a sort of emotional numbing that's the equivalent of removing attention from the present moment at hand...it's a sort of strategic 'tuning out'. Yes, those are definitely some specific qualities of hardening. I don't see how that could ever be said to be the natural state of anyone, regardless of degree of sensitivity. Rather, 'hardening' is just a conditioned strategy when overwhelm is experienced. By natural, what I mean is that it's a very common choice to resort to the coping strategies that lead to hardening. It's a rational choice to inure oneself to various negative life factors like bad traffic, a boss that is prone to fits of rage, a child that seems to get into one mishap after another, etc.If one takes the time to tune into culture, it's pretty easy to discern that quite alot of it is disconnected, hard and unnatural. Don't mean it ain't perfect though. So what did you mean by this then? "Hardening also isn't necessarily a function of sensitivity. Some insensitive peeps are naturally hard." that sounds like more than just a coping strategy.....? I don't understand how someone's nature could be both hard and sensitive. (not the way you initially described 'sensitive' anyway). Read more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/thread/4284/hardening#ixzz3ncG8l0pW
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Post by zin on Oct 4, 2015 11:18:25 GMT -5
It's only by hard light that the unknown becomes the known. I had waffles and sausage for breakfast. Now you know. That wasn't so hard was it? no but you didn't mention about the light?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 11:53:59 GMT -5
I had waffles and sausage for breakfast. Now you know. That wasn't so hard was it? no but you didn't mention about the light? commenting on "hard light" was bound to cause some kind of context confusion, so I ignored it
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Post by zin on Oct 4, 2015 16:49:26 GMT -5
no but you didn't mention about the light? commenting on "hard light" was bound to cause some kind of context confusion, so I ignored it a divinely wise act indeed .
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Post by laughter on Oct 4, 2015 20:45:34 GMT -5
"Why" depends on the nature of the inquiry. Mind inquiring about mind is just another shell. Just an individual detaching from appearances. The sensitivity is the ground, the precondition to the hardening, while this type of identification is universal and not unique to the sensitive. Hardening also isn't necessarily a function of sensitivity. Some insensitive peeps are naturally hard. It's just that the hardening is a natural defense mechanism for the sensitive. What do you mean exactly by 'hard' and 'hardening'? I define such as a mental overlay of increased resistance to something deemed to be unwanted, thereby creating a buffer of sorts between what is deemed to be 'self' and 'experience.' What's really happening though, is a sort of emotional numbing that's the equivalent of removing attention from the present moment at hand...it's a sort of strategic 'tuning out'. I don't see how that could ever be said to be the natural state of anyone, regardless of degree of sensitivity. Rather, 'hardening' is just a conditioned strategy when overwhelm is experienced. Already agreed with you that this is what hardening is and already explained what I mean by "natural", which is essentially the opposite of what U.G. and Adya mean by "natural state". I mean that it's natural in the sense that it's so common and is a path of least resistance for the person who mistakes themselves as an identity in the world. In terms of what I've picked up on from psychological nomenclature, I think that they'd say that hardening is a commonly employed coping strategy because it makes rational sense to the person who finds themselves stressed by external factors.
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Post by laughter on Oct 4, 2015 20:47:54 GMT -5
It's only by hard light that the unknown becomes the known. I had waffles and sausage for breakfast. Now you know. That wasn't so hard was it? It will be under the glare of a doctors office florescent that you will discover the resulting hardening of your arteries.
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